Casey snider at it again

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If anyone is paying attention, Mr Snider has proposed quite the bill in legislation about shed hunting and antlers and fees and licenses. It is starting to get out of control. I wish I knew how to post the link. But NOW, I feel like the Indians 100's of years ago when the government came in and said they didn't needs guns, that they are here for them. Then marched them off to reservations and basically said.... F OFF!!!
 
I've Told You For A Couple Of Years You Were Gonna Start Paying To Play!

Here The Hell We Are:

(5) "Shed antler" means any portion of an antler that:
947 (a) has been dropped naturally from a big game animal as part of the big game animal's
948 annual life cycle; and
949 (b) has a rounded base commonly known as the antler button or burr attached which
950 signifies a natural life cycle process.
951 (6) "Shed horn" means:
952 (a) the sheath from the horn of a pronghorn, mountain goat, or bison that has been
953 dropped naturally as part of the animal's annual life cycle; or
954 (b) a bighorn sheep horn naturally detached from the horn core.
955 Section 23. Section 23A-11-206 is enacted to read:
956 23A-11-206. Limitations on taking an antler or horn.
957 (1) A person may not take an antler or horn, including a shed antler or shed horn,
958 except as provided by this title or rules of the Wildlife Board made in accordance with Title
959 63G, Chapter 3, Utah Administrative Rulemaking Act.
960 (2) During season dates if established under Subsection (3) and after obtaining a shed
961 antler or horn gathering permit and hunting license under Subsection (4), an individual may
962 take an antler or horn, including a shed antler or shed horn.
963 (3) (a) The Wildlife Board may establish recreational antler or horn, including a shed
964 antler or shed horn, gathering season dates and rules for both residents and nonresidents made
965 in accordance with Title 63G, Chapter 3, Utah Administrative Rulemaking Act.
966 (b) The Wildlife Board may establish rules for commercial gathering and selling of an
967 antler or horn, including a shed antler or shed horn, in accordance with Title 63G, Chapter 3,
968 Utah Administrative Rulemaking Act.
969 (4) (a) To take an antler or horn, including a shed antler or shed horn, a resident or
970 nonresident 12 years old and older shall:
971 (i) acquire a hunting or combination license;
972 (ii) complete a shed antler ethic course provided by the division; and
973 (iii) obtain a shed antler or horn gathering permit.
974 (b) A shed antler or horn gathering permit is valid only for the season dates for which
975 the shed antler or horn gathering permit is issued.
976 (5) In addition to complying with Subsection (4), a resident or nonresident who is 18
977 years old or older shall pay to acquire the shed antler or horn gathering permit:
978 (a) a fee of $25 for a resident shed antler or horn gathering permit; and
979 (b) a fee of $50 for a nonresident shed antler or horn gathering permit.
980 (6) A suspension for a violation of this section or rules by the Wildlife Board under
981 Section 23A-4-1106, may include all privileges related to big game, including privileges under
982 a shed antler or horn gathering permit.
 
A lot to like (the changes to existing code are underlined)...

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Also, it doesn't establish a shed season, it allows Wildlife Board to establish a shed season if it desires...

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Grizz, don’t start pointing out what Casey Snider has done for hunters and anglers now! This is a thread for us to whine!!!

If you watched the last wildlife board meeting, you knew something was coming soon. I think the board probably asked for the shed antler authorization language and fees in here just to make clear everyone was covered and not just hunters. Also, the Board doesn’t have authority to create new fees, they have to be legislated. It’s kind of like the trail cam law. Board started out regulating hunters, but couldn’t regulate outside of that and if they wanted it done, had to be done at the legislative level.

But again, they painted the upcoming picture on shed gathering permits, fees, and a season very clearly at the last wildlife board meeting. I predict you’ll see all of those things by the end of the year.
 
It Won't Be Long & We'll Need A Committee To Decide Where,When & How We Can Take A Piss!

But To Make It All Look Good There Will Be One Committee Member Kinda 'Like Us' That'll Be Out-Voted By The Rest Of The Committee Members!

But One Thing About It!

They Can Always Say:

The Committee Recommended This Or That So You Can't Blame Us For The BS That Happens!
 
Vanilla said:
Question I have after this post is what exactly does this bill have to do with wildlife management?
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Exactly. And which part of it is dictated?

1) Somebody can't develop wild lands and then make the state pay them for wildlife damage on that previously uninhabitated wild land.

2) The value of poached animals goes up for the purpose of restitution.

3) The Wildlife Board may establish rules for shed gathering.

Oh, and money set aside for wildlife resources.

What am I missing that I should be so upset about?
 
grizzly said:
Exactly. And which part of it is dictated?

1) Somebody can't develop wild lands and then make the state pay them for wildlife damage on that previously uninhabitated wild land.

2) The value of poached animals goes up for the purpose of restitution.

3) The Wildlife Board may establish rules for shed gathering.
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Not May!

They Will!

We'll See Another Committee With One Person On It As A Regular Hunter/MM'ER Type & 10 or 12 Other Types of People You'll Never Satisfy!

There Will Eventually Be A Shed License!

It Might Start Out FREE Or REASONABLE But Once In Effect Expect Prices To Go Up!

Like I Said Earlier!

It Won't Be Long & You'll Need A Permit To Take A PISS On Public Lands!


grizzly said:
Oh, and money set aside for wildlife resources.

What am I missing that I should be so upset about?
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Uh Ha,And all of you that were involved in helping removing scopes from muzzy,That is just a piece of all to come.When you let the politics make choices for you, there in!!!
 
elkassassin said:
Not May!

They Will!

We'll See Another Committee With One Person On It As A Regular Hunter/MM'ER Type & 10 or 12 Other Types of People You'll Never Satisfy!

There Will Eventually Be A Shed License!
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If you had been paying attention, you’d know there has already been a committee, and the Wildlife Board told you that a permit with a license fee and a season is coming.

This is simply the legislature telling the Wildlife Board they can do what they already are planning to do. I’ve said it before, I’ll remind you again: the Wildlife Board only has authority to do what the legislature tells it that it can do.

See post #8 f you want a primer.

But my question still stands about how this relates to wildlife management. I am not see anything in this bill that manages wildlife.
 
How Bout Managing What Falls Off Of Wildlifes Heads?

Does That Sound Better?


Vanilla said:
If you had been paying attention, you’d know there has already been a committee, and the Wildlife Board told you that a permit with a license fee and a season is coming.

This is simply the legislature telling the Wildlife Board they can do what they already are planning to do. I’ve said it before, I’ll remind you again: the Wildlife Board only has authority to do what the legislature tells it that it can do.

See post #8 f you want a primer.

But my question still stands about how this relates to wildlife management. I am not see anything in this bill that manages wildlife.
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Vanilla said:
Question I have after this post is what exactly does this bill have to do with wildlife management?
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Not much! Just line 441, "The divisions ability to manage wildlife populations within any portion of the political"
First off I clearly stated "I was not here to debate the merits of these proposals".
I am not against said proposals, at least the subdivision and value of poached big game animals.
I am just saying with today's government too many pass legislation according to their own agenda, and that makes me extremely leery of government.
 
Agreed notdon, but it just implied to me that there was wildlife management happening by the legislature here. And I wondered how exactly that was happening as I didn’t read anything in there managing wildlife.

If your position is that the legislature shouldn’t be in the wildlife management game, I would agree. If it’s that this bill manages wildlife, I’d encourage to re-read the bill.
 
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If You Think Making People To Do SMART Things & Making People Pay Dearly For Breaking Game Laws Along With 49+ Other Issues We've Been Dealing With Forever With No Improvements Is Managing People Then I Guess You Can Say That It Is In Your Mind!

What's Not Sinking In To Your THICK Head Is This:

Once They Get A Shed Season In Place Where You Have To Pay/Send Some Money In To Get Said Permit They Won't Care Who Does What!

And The LAW-BREAKIN BITTCHES That Have Been Breakin Recent SHED Laws/Seasons Are Just Gonna Keep Right On Doing It!

I've Asked This Question Before & I Don't Remember If Anybody Knew If Anybody Had Ever Been Fined/Prosecuted/Caught?

So I'll Ask Again:

The UDWR Claimed They Were Setting Some CHIPPED antlers Out Claiming They Were Gonna Try & Catch Some Of The Illegals in Recent Years!

Did Anybody Ever Get Caught?

And If So?

Was Anybody Fined Or Prosecuted?

I Believe YOU Niller Could Look This Up For Us?









Vanilla said:
Nothing in this bill manages even that.

I see the managing of people as a potential, but that isn’t managing wildlife. You absolutely love the idea of managing people bessy. Do I need to post HELL-RIGHT for ya again?
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I Did See Where They Caught A DRAT In Nevada A Few Years Back!

I Don't Think It Involved A CHIPPED Antler,But I'm Not Sure?

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Just close it to non residents until May 7th. and make them buy a license, except for Arizona since they don’t have a shed season. If the winter is bad make a season if not let’s just leave it.
 
I’m sure you could add “allow people to pick up deer poop” to your list of now 52 things to save the deer herds. It will have the same biological impact as your other 51.

Just keep doing the same things Bessy. I’m sure the tide will change eventually! The great mule deer save by managing people further and whittling down those tags is just around the corner! I can’t wait.
 
Pay Attention Niller!

It's Already Been Around The Corner!

QUIT Turning GAME In To $$$!

Start Doing Something SMART To Improve Deer Numbers!

Then You Can Have A Few More Tags!

Or Just Keep Blaming One Thing & One Thing Only & Don't Do Anything To Help Improve Numbers AKA Status Quo!

You Should Have It Fixed Within The Next 200 Years At The Rate Anything Good Is Happening!

Carry On!



Vanilla said:
I’m sure you could add “allow people to pick up deer poop” to your list of now 52 things to save the deer herds. It will have the same biological impact as your other 51.

Just keep doing the same things Bessy. I’m sure the tide will change eventually! The great mule deer save by managing people further and whittling down those tags is just around the corner! I can’t wait.
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It's amazing to watch.

DWR nicely asks you to not bother wildlife on winter range.

Utards amass on winter range

DWR tells you to not bother wildlife on winter range

Utards break out the fishing line

DWR demands you leave wildlife alone on winter range

Utards start a new buisness selling dog chews and selling horns

DWR sets a season date to keep you off winter range

Utards sneak around at night, fly drones, gos map horns

DWR charges you for the added cost of dealing with you on winter range

Utards cry and whine about gov heavy hands
 
I like the added restitution on sheep. However I feel moose and bison should be 40k and deer and elk at 30k minimum.Make the fine for harassing deer and elk on the winter range 5k. If you make it costly people will make sure to think about making a foolish decision.
 
hossblur said:
Can you pick up a deadhead? Seems that's bone
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I'd say that's different because the animal could have been poached so the dwr asks to investigate and I believe most deadheads found get returned to the finder.
You find me a study or even anecdotal evidence on the ungulates dying from the "masses" of shed hunters then we can have a different discussion.
 
OutdoorAddict10 said:
I'd say that's different because the animal could have been poached so the dwr asks to investigate and I believe most deadheads found get returned to the finder.
You find me a study or even anecdotal evidence on the ungulates dying from the "masses" of shed hunters then we can have a different discussion.
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A study showing animals in winter range dying from stress caused by human activity?

Are we still pretending Bertha out walking her poodle is the same as dudes chasing deer through fishing line?

Wildlife, especially late in winter are weak, calorie deficient, and on the edge of death. The more they can lay around and conserve energy, the more likely they live.

You can do your own homework
 
If sheds were not worth $, none of this would be needed.

Make a law you cannot sell or trade a shed in the state of Utah and Sheds picked up in Utah cannot be transported out of the state.

Problem solved. Folks that enjoy the sheds for what they are and collect them for themselves don't have any red tape and can continue on their way. Profit seekers gone, competition gone. Love of the game--stays

The Legislature/WB didn't make shed's valuable, the market did. Legislature/WB is reacting to a reality. Ya'll complain about government overreach (I agree it is a thing) but we don't blame the factor that is pushing over the dominoes that started the sh!t show. Yeah--laws suck but some people suck worse so here we are.
 
If the DWR really wants to protect the wildlife on winter range, they need to quit selling cow elk tags in January. I spend a lot of time watching wildlife and those areas with late season hunts, the pressure is so constant the animals stay high in the snow. Last year during the shed closure there were people all over the hills hiking, biking, etc. So not sure how they manage that? The amount of people recreating along the Wasatch front is crazy busy. Unfortunately there are just too many people in Utah nowadays and it just is getting worse! We’ve built homes all over the winter range and continue to do so!
 
Ya!

And Then We've Got DRATS Wondering Why The Kitties Are Where They're At!

Maybe The DRATS Oughta Ask Their selves Who Moved In To Who's Territory!



hook1969 said:
If the DWR really wants to protect the wildlife on winter range, they need to quit selling cow elk tags in January. I spend a lot of time watching wildlife and those areas with late season hunts, the pressure is so constant the animals stay high in the snow. Last year during the shed closure there were people all over the hills hiking, biking, etc. So not sure how they manage that? The amount of people recreating along the Wasatch front is crazy busy. Unfortunately there are just too many people in Utah nowadays and it just is getting worse! We’ve built homes all over the winter range and continue to do so!
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Welcome to California boys!! Regulation.....taxes.....permit fees.....and this is just the beginning. I've been living this here in Cali for years. I feel for you guys.
 
Hey Wisz?

This Is what I Tell DRATS:

Don't Laugh At The BS That Happens In KALI!

2 Years Later It'll Be Here!

Wiszard said:
Welcome to California boys!! Regulation.....taxes.....permit fees.....and this is just the beginning. I've been living this here in Cali for years. I feel for you guys.
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elkassassin said:
Hey Wisz?

This Is what I Tell DRATS:

Don't Laugh At The BS That Happens In KALI!

2 Years Later It'll Be Here!
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Eventually, every states gov't will see what the citizens are getting away with, free fun, and want to put a stop to it....or benefit from it.
Perfect example.....I live in a farming community. To protect plants from cold weather, they put "tents" over the rows in the fields. Santa Barbara county realized this, more and more farming operations were doing this, so they tried to tax them as structures. Of course farmers fought it but I do think they get taxed or have to pay permits to construct the portable tents. Gov't trying to get something for nothing.
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Ya!

Typical BS!

Wiszard said:
Eventually, every states gov't will see what the citizens are getting away with, free fun, and want to put a stop to it....or benefit from it.
Perfect example.....I live in a farming community. To protect plants from cold weather, they put "tents" over the rows in the fields. Santa Barbara county realized this, more and more farming operations were doing this, so they tried to tax them as structures. Of course farmers fought it but I do think they get taxed or have to pay permits to construct the portable tents. Gov't trying to get something for nothing.
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Wiszard said:
Eventually, every states gov't will see what the citizens are getting away with, free fun, and want to put a stop to it....or benefit from it.
Perfect example.....I live in a farming community. To protect plants from cold weather, they put "tents" over the rows in the fields. Santa Barbara county realized this, more and more farming operations were doing this, so they tried to tax them as structures. Of course farmers fought it but I do think they get taxed or have to pay permits to construct the portable tents. Gov't trying to get something for nothing.
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Bah that ridiculous ! Strawberries ?
 
elkassassin said:
You HATE Regulation!
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You hate regulation like a fat kid hates cake. How many more can you come up with? I’m daring you bessy!
 
Vanilla said:

HELL-RIGHT,HELL-F'N-RIGHT!!! | Utah

The Changes are Many & Some of you will Think they are HARSH! You're Right! The Extended Archery Hunt will Come To an End & Now! The Late Muzz Tags are Gone as Well! For CFS We Don't have the Deer Numbers for these kinda BS Hunts for GAWDS Sakes! Hunting Big Game Continuously &...
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You hate regulation like a fat kid hates cake. How many more can you come up with? I’m daring you bessy!
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I am right there in agreement with 90% of EA’s proposals in his manifesto. There might need to be one or two minor tweaks.

Sometimes the man is right there with Teddy Roosevelt and Aldo Leopold when it comes to conservation
 
Niller Is Still PISSED About HELL-F'N-RIGHT!

Anything Major Enough Being Done To Help The Deer Herd?

NOTTA!

One More thing Niller!

You Won't Need Me To Pay For A Guide On Your Female Lion Hunt!

You Can Just Shoot One When You See One!

They're Behind Every Tree So Pay Close Attention When You're Sneaking Around In Your Favorite CAMO Loin Cloth!
 
Loin cloth is orange. We already established that.

You love regulations. We already established that as well.

And BLTG, nobody is perfect. Don’t worry about espousing ideas that have nothing to do with deer management. You’re not the only one over the last 50 years to push these unproductive measures over and over and over and over again. Maybe if we try one more time it will finally work?
 
Hey Niller!

Just Keep Doing The STATUS QUO Management & Lets See How That Treats You!

Ready To Make Some Money Wagers On It?

PONY-UP My Friend!

Vanilla said:
Loin cloth is orange. We already established that.

You love regulations. We already established that as well.

And BLTG, nobody is perfect. Don’t worry about espousing ideas that have nothing to do with deer management. You’re not the only one over the last 50 years to push these unproductive measures over and over and over and over again. Maybe if we try one more time it will finally work?
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You've threatened me with money wagers multiple times in the past, and I've asked you to lay out the terms. You never have.

I am guessing this will be the same.

Or in other words, I love you, but you are completely full of CRAP! Nonstop, complete BS.

Prove me wrong!
 
Well Niller!

We Do Love You!

You Feel Better Now?

Vanilla said:
You've threatened me with money wagers multiple times in the past, and I've asked you to lay out the terms. You never have.

I am guessing this will be the same.

Or in other words, I love you, but you are completely full of CRAP! Nonstop, complete BS.

Prove me wrong!
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One day sooner than you think someone will be prosecuted for this heinous wildflower poaching crime.

Look at the smirk on her face as she steals our public property.

Get her Niller. Go get her.
 
Hey Tri!

A Few Years Back We Had A Discussion On Picking Flowers On Public Ground!

Ya!

It Was Decided It Was Illegal!

As Soon As They Make Ya Buy A Permit It's Usually OK Then!
 
I’m not the one that’s been championing 50+ new regulations for years and years now on this forum.

I’d rather manage wildlife to improve our herds than regulate people. Some on here disagree, even if they’re very wrong! HELL-RIGHT!!!!
 
Most Of HELL-F'N-RIGHT Would Help Improve Some Deer Numbers!

But You Don't Wanna Do Anything Drastic Enough Niller To Help The Herd,Do You?

You Wanna Try One Little PISSCUTTER Change At A Time!

And You Wanna Try That One Little Change For Years Just To See What Happens!

HINT: We Ain't Got 100's Of Years Trying STUPID Changes That We Already Know Won't Work!

You Wanting To Double Your Money Yet Niller?

Here's The Bet:

Let's Say Taking The Scopes They Are Taking Off Of SmokePoles Slightly Helps Save A Few Bucks?

I'll Bet You Even If It Does Help Save A Few Bucks The Following Deer Hunts After The MUZZ Hunt Such As The:EARLY RIFLE/ALW HUNTS,MID SEASON RIFLE HUNTS,LATE MUZZ HUNTS & EXTENDED ARCHERY HUNTS Slick Anything Up That You Saved!

What Kinda Money You Wanna Lay On The Line?





Vanilla said:
I’m not the one that’s been championing 50+ new regulations for years and years now on this forum.

I’d rather manage wildlife to improve our herds than regulate people. Some on here disagree, even if they’re very wrong! HELL-RIGHT!!!!
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elkassassin said:
Here's The Bet:

Let's Say Taking The Scopes They Are Taking Off Of SmokePoles Slightly Helps Save A Few Bucks?

I'll Bet You Even If It Does Help Save A Few Bucks The Following Deer Hunts After The MUZZ Hunt Such As The:EARLY RIFLE/ALW HUNTS,MID SEASON RIFLE HUNTS,LATE MUZZ HUNTS & EXTENDED ARCHERY HUNTS Slick Anything Up That You Saved!

What Kinda Money You Wanna Lay On The Line?
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Hahahahahahahahahaha!

Tell me how you are going to measure what "slighly helps a few bucks" means and then how you will measure "slick anything up that you saved." I'm fascinated how you think you're going to decide who wins this idiotic bet.

But I'm all ears to hear you splain this one away like how you say you hate regulations but how much you love 50+ of new ones! Keep chasing that tail, bessy. It entertains me.
 
Never Said I Hated Regulations!

But Regulations That Are Nothing More Than To Generate More Money & No Enforcement?

Ya,I Hate That!

Quit Wasting The Money That's Already Being Generated!



Vanilla said:
Hahahahahahahahahaha!

Tell me how you are going to measure what "slighly helps a few bucks" means and then how you will measure "slick anything up that you saved." I'm fascinated how you think you're going to decide who wins this idiotic bet.

But I'm all ears to hear you splain this one away like how you say you hate regulations but how much you love 50+ of new ones! Keep chasing that tail, bessy. It entertains me.
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