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Yes.....FOCNever bothered to change my application before but can I change it to a different unit if I already submitted it?
Did we just grow a bunch of deer overnight?there’s gonna be some gnashing of teeth with those deer permit recommendations
Yes you can - change it as many times as you want before the app deadline for no additional charge. This is a great change - I hated that they used to charge you a new app fee every time you wanted to change something.Never bothered to change my application before but can I change it to a different unit if I already submitted it?
Well if you like forked horns I’m sure they will be on offer with great production last spring and probably this one tooWow, your Buck hunts must be doing great on the general seasons units
Boulder + 800
Pine Valley + 900
Zion + 975
Is the buck hunting really that good on those units to justify such a huge tag increase?
Never bothered to change my application before but can I change it to a different unit if I already submitted it?
I see the Pine Valley ALW Hunts are taking 7-8 nonresident points to draw.Well if you like forked horns I’m sure they will be on offer with great production last spring and probably this one too
Long wait for a forkie! Although I’m sure there’s some good bucks around..7-8 points sounds like a longgg time to wait for that. Crazy what things have come to.I see the Pine Valley ALW Hunts are taking 7-8 nonresident points to draw.
The others are not far behind!
For sure!Long wait for a forkie! Although I’m sure there’s some good bucks around..7-8 points sounds like a longgg time to wait for that. Crazy what things have come to.
Although in your neck of the woods 7-8 points doesn’t mean a darn thing for nonresidents
You could look at the link and see for yourself if you are really interested.I wonder if the bulk of the increases will go to archery or muzzleloader. Or will I spread it evenly across-the-board?
I did look but I must’ve missed it.You could look at the link and see for yourself if you are really interested.
It will be spread out. They have a certain percentage of tags per hunt type per unit....I believe the mid season hunts give out the majority of tags so that hunt will gain more tags if I'm not mistaken.I wonder if the bulk of the increases will go to archery or muzzleloader. Or will I spread it evenly across-the-board?
20 percent archery/ 20 percent muzzy/ 20 percent early rifle / 40 percent late rifle. If no early rifle, then 60 percent rifle.It will be spread out. They have a certain percentage of tags per hunt type per unit....I believe the mid season hunts give out the majority of tags so that hunt will gain more tags if I'm not mistaken.
That's what was proposed last year but the WB turned it down and went with the 2022 numbers. They may do the same thing again this year. Who knows.Wow, your Buck hunts must be doing great on the general seasons units
Boulder + 800
Pine Valley + 900
Zion + 975
Is the buck hunting really that good on those units to justify such a huge tag increase?
I was thinking, maybe with the elimination of scopes on muzzleloaders they might give more of the increase in tags to the muzzleloader hunts.It will be spread out. They have a certain percentage of tags per hunt type per unit....I believe the mid season hunts give out the majority of tags so that hunt will gain more tags if I'm not mistaken.
I still can’t believe I got that tag in 2022. Looking at the odds for being one of the few lucky NR…sheesh.For sure!
Nevada Area 24 just across the line from Pine valley has about 50 tags this year
I do think those increases are a bit much. Hopefully the WB approves a number somewhere in the middle of those increases.Wow, your Buck hunts must be doing great on the general seasons units
Boulder + 800
Pine Valley + 900
Zion + 975
Is the buck hunting really that good on those units to justify such a huge tag increase?
I do think those increases are a bit much. Hopefully the WB approves a number somewhere in the middle of those increases.
Missing mid season and the late archery. I think late season is only 3% of tags. Tried to find the correct percentages but can't find then on the dwr website.20 percent archery/ 20 percent muzzy/ 20 percent early rifle / 40 percent late rifle. If no early rifle, then 60 percent rifle.
I would hope they do that rather than give the majority of tags during the mid season rifle hunt.I was thinking, maybe with the elimination of scopes on muzzleloaders they might give more of the increase in tags to the muzzleloader hunts.
I remember hearing that eliminating scopes on muzzleloaders would create more opportunity for increased tags since the success rates will be lower for muzzleloaders without scopes.
Sorry, I was talking about general deer.Missing mid season and the late archery. I think late season is only 3% of tags. Tried to find the correct percentages but can't find then on the dwr website.
I don't know anything about that but it would have been nice to see a few extra tags given out on oak creek .So ridge?
Your Thoughts On The DOUBLE THE TAGS Mentality?
Me alsoSorry, I was talking about general deer.
My bad misread that one...Me also
Yep, plenty of bucks on the Oak CreeksI don't know anything about that but it would have been nice to see a few extra tags given out on oak creek .
I don't know anything about that but it would have been nice to see a few extra tags given out on oak creek .
I'm not going to be happy until the units are managed for the common folk and not for the outfitters and wealthy. It would have been nice to see a few more tags on the Henries and Vernon too.You Ain't Gonna Be Happy Till You Get That Oak Creek Tag Are You?
I'm not going to be happy until the units are managed for the common folk and not for the outfitters and wealthy. It would have been nice to see a few more tags on the Henries and Vernon too.
There must be a bumper crop of spikes and forkies out there on the GS units this year for the increases proposed! SMH
If the bucks were managed a better way on those premium units, we would see better results. Management by age harvest is a terrible way to manage. Especially when aging by teeth is somewhat unreliable. Talk about status quo.Might Wanna Check Out Deer Numbers On The Henries Before You Wish For More tags There!
Yes There's Still Some PISSCUTTERS Left Most Joe Blow Hunters Would Shoot After Season Closes!
But We Need Some Left In Hopes A Few Get To The Next Age Class For The Following Years Hunts!
I Will Make You This Guarantee ridge:
If The Henries Could Handle Any More Tags The DWR Would Damn Sure Be Handing Them Out!
I Remember When The Henry Mountains Unit Was Closed!
You Don't Wanna See That Again Do You?
I'll Let Somebody-else CHIME In For The Vernon!
If the bucks were managed a better way on those premium units, we would see better results. Management by age harvest is a terrible way to manage. Especially when aging by teeth is somewhat unreliable. Talk about status quo.
In general, I think things are going pretty good. I know several guys having no problem finding mature bucks.Not Gonna Argue About Age By Teeth!
We All Know That's Not Been Accurate!
But We Keep Doing The Same STUPID SShhitt Don't We?
Nope! Logic says that’s what should be done. It’s never been based on logic though!I was thinking, maybe with the elimination of scopes on muzzleloaders they might give more of the increase in tags to the muzzleloader hunts.
I remember hearing that eliminating scopes on muzzleloaders would create more opportunity for increased tags since the success rates will be lower for muzzleloaders without scopes.
In general, I think things are going pretty good. I know several guys having no problem finding mature bucks.
That was the biggest surprise to me - I thought they would double the late season archery tags. Low impact, low success, but likely still enjoyable time hunting. Interesting option for some low point holders (non-residents with 0-15 points) to at least be able to hunt. Might even clear a couple mid-range point holders.Thanks for posting this.
I think we’re jumping the gun on GS deer permits. I say give it one or two more years before an increase.
The LE late season Archery elk needs a lot more numbers added to it. The success was way low.
Bonus usually get the extra tag.If there are an odd number of tags, how do you know how many are bonus versus random?
If there is an odd number the extra tag would go to the max points poolIf there are an odd number of tags, how do you know how many are bonus versus random?
What?Looks like the plan to ruin the elk hunting is proceeding . maybe I'm wrong and more tags is how you fix falling elk numbers and lower age class.
What?
"We recommend 3,179 traditional limited-entry permits for 2024. This is an increase of 45 permits from the 3,134 permits issued in 2023. The most notable change in this category is the proposed reduction of 125 permits on the Wasatch Mtns unit, from 951 permits to 826 permits. We propose this 13% reduction to compensate for a decrease in the average age of harvested bulls."
It's spring break so I'll not be teaching biology other than to once again point out that males are excess. That's why we hunt males.
As an opportunist I'll also point out, "we" decided at some point to take the most productive areas and create trophy hunting. If your goal in life are units with 40" bucks on every switch back, those are the units you should concern yourself with. The opportunists will take a tag and HUNT(hunting and killing aren't the same).
Record setting profits once again for $fw for all that "conservation" should lead to expanding hunting, right?
Of the three of us at my house, looks like 2 of us are sucking at the OIL game. Fewer bison, less moose
I think it's 10% of total tags. That's why on years with tag cuts they issue 0 tags to the dedicated that year due to the fact the current dedicated hunters are already taking the 10%.I should know this, but can’t remember or where to look, where do the dedicated hunter tags come from? Is that a separate pool or do they pull from existing GS deer tags?
It's 15 percentI think it's 10% of total tags. That's why on years with tag cuts they issue 0 tags to the dedicated that year due to the fact the current dedicated hunters are already taking the 10%.
fyi (it Might be 15%, but I think it's 10)
This . It is a percentage of total issued tags for that unit.I think it's 10% of total tags. That's why on years with tag cuts they issue 0 tags to the dedicated that year due to the fact the current dedicated hunters are already taking the 10%.
fyi (it Might be 15%, but I think it's 10)
When there are only 200 Deer per unit the buck to doe ratio it isn't to hard to meetWow, your Buck hunts must be doing great on the general seasons units
Boulder + 800
Pine Valley + 900
Zion + 975
Is the buck hunting really that good on those units to justify such a huge tag increase?
Really?When there are only 200 Deer per unit the buck to doe ratio it isn't to hard to meet
What exactly are you referring to?Unbelievable sad actually. The all mighty dollar has reared its ugly head again
Got to read into the sarcasm there, but the deer herd on Boulder is hurting. Ratios are skewed based on the actual number of deer. Low herd numbers can have high buck to doe ratios....because its a ratio, not based on herd numbers. It is fine to use a ratio if the herd numbers are at the level of the carrying capacity of the unit they are referring to. Boulder is not close to carrying capacity so using ratios doesn't work!Really?
You know where I hunt and last year i didn’t see the numbers that would validate a tag increase. I think the DWR looks at the $ they can make from the tags vs the well being of the deer herdsWhat exactly are you referring to?
I was being sarcastic too. If the hunter numbers were determined solely on buck to doe ratios, I would be fully against that type of management but that's not the case at all. The dwr takes account fawn survival, winter losses, overall herd numbers and buck to doe ratios. Since the boulder buck/ doe ratio rose from 23 to 30/100 from 2022 to 2023. That sure looks like to me that the bucks were not over hunted in 22 or 23. An increase in tags on that unit seems justified.Got to read into the sarcasm there, but the deer herd on Boulder is hurting. Ratios are skewed based on the actual number of deer. Low herd numbers can have high buck to doe ratios....because its a ratio, not based on herd numbers. It is fine to use a ratio if the herd numbers are at the level of the carrying capacity of the unit they are referring to. Boulder is not close to carrying capacity so using ratios doesn't work!
Even though the beaver has increased the buck / doe ratio by 25 percent the last two years and now is at the top end of the management plan for those ratios. If I was on one of the boards, I'd vote for a more conservative increase. Probably 300 tags. Putting it at 1500.The Boulder shows a 25/100 3 year average and 800 tag increase while the beaver shows 17.5/100 3 year average and gets a 600 tag increase. Beaver unit does not even make the 18-20 buck to doe average. Explain that one?
This year it's at 20.4. That's above the 18-20 ratio. I get what you're saying about the three year average being the needle we should be looking at. In the end, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to keep that unit the same for one more year. I'm guessing there must have been a good fawn carry over to suggest more tags as long with poor range habitat conditions.It is not at the top end. 17.5 is still below the bottom end on the 3 year average.
Beaver dam is that by the Nevada boarder in the doc pass wilderness/ cougar Canyon wilderness?I just got home from the week down in the Pine Valley Desert Ram units (Beaver Dam & Virgin River units).
There are so many deer, for real.
I'm thinking about dumping my LE Deer points on the Muzzy/Gen unit buck tag. Luck of the Draw for sure.
I was showing a guy and his Mrs. around both D-Ram units as 1 of them should draw a tag this year.
Robb
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