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    #3 in the que

    Freaking opportunists! Should have known one of you would chime in pointing out a silver lining and extort this success. What next? You gonna bring up this is why we don't always need to knee jerk react to every challenge. Wait, I think I'm also an "effing opportunist"? I like to hunt...
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    WHO'D BE INTERESTED IN AN MM DRATville PISSCUTTER CONTEST???

    Hoss, no offense, but you're obviously dillusional and misinformed. People targeting mature bucks have ZERO impact on the herd quality. With that said, it might explain why elkassassin only sees 2 points breeding their mothers when he does his November rounds. But probably not. Off topic a...
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    WHO'D BE INTERESTED IN AN MM DRATville PISSCUTTER CONTEST???

    I wasn't sure if "OPPOR-F'N-TUNISTS" (I think that's what I was labeled as once) were allowed to post on this thread, but seems how Hossblur broke the ice, it's probably fine? Anyways..... I remember my dad and grandpa talking about the big buck contests in the 70s and 80's. We had a few local...
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    A MANAGEMENT QUESTION FOR THE PRO'S Hossy & Nilly???

    Ya know Vanilla..... this sounds like a fantastic idea, and it looks good on paper, but, you are overlooking one thing..... NOT ALL OF US WILL GET TO BECAUSE THE GREEDY LIFETIME LICENSE HOLDERS TAKE 80% OF THE DANG TAGS BEFORE US SMUCKS EVEN GET OUR NAMES IN THE HAT! Someone should start a...
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    A MANAGEMENT QUESTION FOR THE PRO'S Hossy & Nilly???

    Very professional response Cam@strawberry. Well.... right up to the last sentence anyway. Then you lost me. Mule deer will always be king!
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    A MANAGEMENT QUESTION FOR THE PRO'S Hossy & Nilly???

    It doesn't look like your video works unless it's on my end. I like hearing different ideas. One day I hope we can find some common ground as outdoorsman and make some progress. I just think it's way easier to bicker about the symptoms vs findingwhat's causing them. We should just all become...
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    A MANAGEMENT QUESTION FOR THE PRO'S Hossy & Nilly???

    I'll have to go check it out. I have always been under the impression elkassassin never has any realistic solutions to our problems. Now I feel kinda foolish as it sounds like he has a whole road map layed for us out there somewhere I've never even looked at. I would have never pegged...
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    A MANAGEMENT QUESTION FOR THE PRO'S Hossy & Nilly???

    I have not. I've heard you refer to it at times, but I don't really know what it means.
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    A MANAGEMENT QUESTION FOR THE PRO'S Hossy & Nilly???

    O my goodness elkassassin you confuse the heck out of me. Did you know this Bucks dad and grand dad and great grand dad? You didn't tell us that part of the equation. Had I known that, I may have responded differently. I live smack dab in the middle of the CWMU capital of the world. I know...
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    A MANAGEMENT QUESTION FOR THE PRO'S Hossy & Nilly???

    Thanks for the clarification. I hope I don't have to sum it up in a one liner. I see a perfect example of what many LE units have become. A cest pool of over the hill bucks dying of old age. Probably doesn't have teeth! The genetics have been shot out by the dang (not sure if we made up...
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    A MANAGEMENT QUESTION FOR THE PRO'S Hossy & Nilly???

    Hey elkassassin, can you dummy this one down a little more for me? What are you asking here? And... I guess before you do that, is this thread only for the specific members you listed to respond?
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    I'M CALLIN BS!!!

    If he doesn't I want to! You can show me your South slope elk honey hole while I'm out there. Maybe hook me up with one of those goose guides in the area so I can book a goose hunt this fall.
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    Anyone remember that one time back in the good ole days? The year was...

    I remember it well. In our northern meeting, we had a statistics specialist come in and explain why it would not work with fancy graphs and numbers. Ill bet his projections were way closer than the ones from the sales pitch pamplet. I might still have those handouts somewhere. If I do I'll...
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    I'M CALLIN BS!!!

    So if you were to throw out an educated guess on what age a pronghorn would most likely plateau on horn growth, what range would you say? 3 to 5 years, 5 to 7 years..... 7 years plus......?. From my experience, I say 3 to 5 years just curious as to what your thoughts were.
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    I'M CALLIN BS!!!

    So based off of what you have observed, what age do you feel antelope reach their plateau on horn growth. Do you feel that environmental factors and genetics influence horn growth more or as much as age or not really? I suppose it's most likely a combination of everything.
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    I'M CALLIN BS!!!

    I'm not sure what you are referring to as far as where and when the DWR made this claim, but I finally might have to agree with you on something elkassassin. I think some may hit their potential by 3, but I believe between 3 and 5 years old to be a (in their prime) range.
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    WILL YOU??? HAVE YOU??? WILL YOU NOT??? SELF REGULATE???

    I think you have surpassed being a "self regulator " if you pass 20 to 30 bucks during a general season hunt. You could possibly be in an even higher class of hunters. I think they call the "master regulators", but I could be wrong.
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    WILL YOU??? HAVE YOU??? WILL YOU NOT??? SELF REGULATE???

    I consider myself a self regulator on mule deer, but I could care less if a someone shoots something that makes them happy. Heck I'll even help them pack it out. Now.... if you throw elk into the conversation, I am definitely not capable of self regulation. As mentioned in a previous thread...
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    northern Rac

    Heck no, that would be a terrible plan to fix a deer herd. I thought we already established our herds were too far gone to save and we were just going to shoot them all till they're gone? That's my plan to fix the overcrowding issue. Stay focused elkassassin.
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    northern Rac

    Pretty sure the pumpkin army complaining is a thing of the past now. With the new hunter orange rule we won't see each other as good so they'll be nothing to complain about this season I'm thinking. Visually, we'll pretty much have the whole place to ourselves in 2024! That's right folks no...
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    northern Rac

    Why is everything I say "BS", but everything you say is gospel? You're pointed comments are hurtful. I remember on one thread (I believe it was your own thread you derailed ) I was accused of being AI? If it can happen on monster mulies, you know it can take over the DWR. Just a matter of...
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    northern Rac

    So I'm a bit late to the party here, just finishing up the video. I have a question for elkassassin from an "OPER FN TUNIST" . Elk on the sanjaun if I'm understanding correctly are above management goals and age data comes in at 7.6 years. When asked by some folks why no tag increases the...
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    northern Rac

    Still wrong! We absolutely need more committees. You think it's bad now, can you imagine what it would be like if we didn't have committees?
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    northern Rac

    I'm not sure if this is a generic question or if you are specifically talking about the goats, but I believe the Willard peak herd disaster could have been avoided if they would have pumped the brakes a bit when we were headed towards a cliff. For the most part, nobody could have predicted...
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    northern Rac

    I'll take this one Vanilla..... elkassassin your wrong yet again!
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    northern Rac

    I believe they know exactly what happened to the Willard Peak goat herd. They made some huge management mistakes and then the perfect storm of events hit all at once. It all but destroyed the herd. I've been leaning on the rocky mountain goat alliance to get involved. I talked with them last...
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    Wasatch thoughts

    I'm not really a long timer, but I do remember him mentioning several times he wanted to increase opportunity to hunt big coyotes, state wide, with no license or tag requirement. So there's that......
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    Trophy Bulls on the Wall - Phone Skope Giveaway

    Am I the only one who's expanded this picture, looked beyond the forest of horns here to get a better look at that spike? Uttaxi1, that thing is awesome. I don't recall seeing many spikes mounted up. Love it! I couldn't help but wonder what the story with that one. I'm betting it's a good one.
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    Wasatch thoughts

    I've openly admitted on this platform many times that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. I miss things and I'm wrong about things at times. You mentioned in my last paragraph, I was wrong. Can you please expand on what part I'm wrong about? I welcome any opportunity to educate myself.
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    Wasatch thoughts

    Actually, I am pretty new around here Elkassassin so I apologize for whatever I've missed. I don't mean any disrespect, but it doesn't matter what you have said on monster mulies, my question was if you had participated in the process back in the 90's? If you did, what you are seeing is...
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    Wasatch thoughts

    I also have a question for Vanilla and Berryblaster on their thoughts. I believe we reduced the age class objectives with the new elk plan. This was in the name of opportunity which i support. If we get into a situation where the age class falls below the objective, should we not take action...
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    Wasatch thoughts

    Alright Ellkassassin I have some questions for you and I'm not trying to be a smart A$$. I was very proactive during the time all these LE units and our current point systems were being designed. I spent a lot of time researching statistics and following the objective of this grand new idea...
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    HOW'S THAT NILLER MY BOY???

    Not the forkie in the meadow by your tree stand where the cooler of apples "accidentally" fell off your 4 wheeler. This is a different one. Even bigger. Pretty sure if he makes it through winter and doesn't get hit on the highway, he'll be pushing high 80s by fall.
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    HOW'S THAT NILLER MY BOY???

    Negative on that one. It's on the way to my top secret elk spot. I DO NOT want him finding it. Not to mention, I have some deer points burning a hole in my point bank and that chubby little fork horn with them has my name all over it. I need something to test out my new creedmoor on and my...
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    HOW'S THAT NILLER MY BOY???

    Wait a minute...... were we supposed to actually read the information on tag numbers BEFORE we posted about it on this thread? Did you guys change the rules on me while I was out? I thought you just had to make a post to piss and moan because KSL said the DWR had proposed tag increases. What...
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    HOW'S THAT NILLER MY BOY???

    These threads are my absolute favorite! Sorry I'm late to the party and unfortunately or fortunately (not sure what one yet) I haven't read through every post yet. I live in the center of what most would consider the worst deer units in the state. I know visual observation and visual evidence...
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    What would you do ???

    I agree 100 percent. Some of my absolute favorite hunts have been antlerless hunts. I apologize for bringing up the antlerless points. I have a pile of them myself. I believe the Pauns is also a good option. I think a 200 ich buck is tall order on both those units currently, but as you...
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    What would you do ???

    Lol.... it's like a regular one only costs more points! Sure you'll still get a antlerless critter on a regular hunt, but it wont be a premium antlerless critter.
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    What would you do ???

    Seriously elkassassin? No disrespect intended, but you are obviously out of the loop on the Utah antlerless pools. These points won't even get a person a mid tier unit in the antlerless draws. Definitely not gonna get them a premium tag. You need 7 or 8 plus points to touch a premium antlerless...
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    2023 harvest survey

    Interesting. I had a very similar experience on a antelope CWMU. The operator was super nice but the fact that there were no antelope on the property was beyond their control. I was informed I needed to contact the DWR to see if there was any options in this scenario. I accepted the fact...
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