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The number that matters is the bottom one that says group bonus point average. It should have all points reflected. Individual bonus points only shows species points for some reason.

How much?

That later hunt should definitely help with the rut action. Only problem is the fact that the early muzzleloader hunt with 30 tags is the week before your hunt so a lot of bigger bulls will be killed or scared before you start. But you'll still have a lot of elk to chase. I would say...

Don't listen to Tony's sarcastic BS. He hasn't been able to hunt elk for 20 years. I've never hunted the unit but there will be others that will respond with useful info. If you don't get any help here go post on Tony's favorite site coueswhitetail.com and they will help you out.

What he said ? If your second choice was lower quality hunt odds are you got second choice. Unless you're a resident then little better odds.

What do you suppose would be better? That's the best information to go off of unless you have a crystal ball.

Same. Kind of weird. Maybe some hope for tomorrow.

Week to week and a half. I would think by end of next week we will know.

Best deal there is. They'll even take you on the reservations for no extra cost.

Tony Tony, there's kids in this forum. No need for vulgarity.

Of course there is need for comment. We're on a public forum.

Come on Tony, you wasted the last 20 years of your elk hunting life and now are incapable of using them so let me make good use of them for you.

"Technically" they can be hit anytime. There is no set day "per sey" they could hit them anytime from March 2nd to July 1st as their is no law or rule that says they must charge cards on a specific day. Jk that was my best outdoorwriter impersonation. Yes cards will be hit March 2nd.

P.S. let me know if you wanna sell those elk points since you're not gonna be able to use them.

Here is last year 23n rifle numbers

I think you may be looking at old info. This is last draws nr info for 23n archery. Unless you were the nr that tried with 24 points there's a good chance you'll have to atleast compete with him this year at 25.

If anyone reading this knows enough to know about bonus pass tags and that 20 tags now allows a NR to get a tag they know enough to know what we're talking about. If they don't then it's gonna go right over their heads. Half the shi* you say isn't to be useful its to make yourself feel good. 95%...

Outdoorwriter, everyone reading this knows what we're talking about. I figured you'd get tired of being such an arrogant know it all but you never give up. 99% of the time that tag available to a NR goes to a NR whether its in the bonus pass or random. So statistically speaking that tag will be...

You are correct. There will be one bonus pass tag for NR now that it went to 20. For both the archery and rifle hunts. Very good chance you could draw the archery tag but most likely someone with more than 25 will get the rifle tag.

M My guess is we will have card hits before both but probably not results until after March 3rd but before March 16th. Unless azgfd does what they do best and f it all up.

No, all they have is a mail out date for tags but if they don't make it they just move the date. However I think they will be charging cards soon as they are messing with the credit card update page this morning.

Why do they need your cameras when they can use all of their own? If they're your cameras then they aren't federal property. Sounds like some BS to me. Either way though the beauty is any picture you get of any elk or deer now has to be kept to yourself and not shared with any hunter or guide or...

Exactly, then what? Nothing

A free for all getting ripped down and smashed if you're brave enough to put one up.

If you're wanting an October tag only I would skip this year. The three October hunts aren't worth that many points. Also what's your idea of quality? In any given unit you could most likely find an 80" buck or two. If you're looking for 90" do what Blank said and get a hold of Eli Grimmet and...

Just go through like you're putting in by yourself and then when you enter your info you'll see a button that says add another applicant. Just do that a couple times and everyone will be on there. Remember group apps get bonus points averaged. Also, you only have the option of one card so if...

If I had to guess I would have to say you're about 16 based off the dumb shi* you post.

You're obviously a moron that will try and argue about anything. How old are you?

I'm not sure whats funnier, the same lot # comment on one jug or that you're asking $750 for it.

I called the main office number and they told me they had no way to tell you when it would appear and that as long as you finished it 30 days before the next draw deadline it would be in their system and you just had to trust that it was there. However, the point popped up on the account like 4...

Price?

I've said it once and I'll say it again, I don't join forums to post pics and get praise from guys I don't know.

Kind of weird stalking me on mm but if that's what you're into. I've got nothing to prove to guys like you wanting praise for killing a 330 bull.

That's the difference between us. I wouldn't shoot a 330 bull on the last day of a hunt. I suppose we can say any bull over 300 is a "trophy" to make us think we're trophy hunters.

No problem, I know the truth hurts sometimes.

The you're not a trophy hunter. Too many "trophy hunters" had to get that "meat" bull last day because they liked his "character".

So what I'm seeing from your post is that trophy hunters aren't the cause of any of that stuff you listed but that's what you based your thought process off of to write this? Those trophy hunters kill way less animals vs the average guy just shooting any buck. Trophy hunters kill a lot more of...

When they just list the regular fees I walk because who the hell can afford, and actually pays to shoot a 320 bull for $25,000?

You are correct. There's a lot of variables to it depending on what those guys put as their first choice. Some of those guys that have it as their second choice drew their first choice before they had a chance at their second choice and then some of those guys automatically drew it as their...

But to answer your question its about 19. Most guys with 19 drew. Anyone with 19 that put it 1st choice drew and 2 of 5 that did 2nd choice drew it. So I guess technically "guaranteed" is 20.