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    Valle Vidal, NM Sep 1-14

    The kid will be around the rest of your life. Elk hunting valle vidal in Sep is once in a lifetime. Jk sounds like you've got a good problem to have!
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    Drawing results

    They're up!
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    The raffle ticket numbers sold don't lie my friend. . There aren't any of your rich pals dropping $100k on one raffle. Don't get a couple thousand dollars mixed up with $100k.
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    No dog in the fight. I just dont like people that make $hit up. With auction tags the little guy had a 0% chance so things are looking better already.👍
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    Rich guy buying a 6 million dollar ranch with multiple animals available for the rest of time > Rich guy gambling $100k on one raffle he doesn't even have 50% odds at. Hmm 🤔 and somehow only 1 Rich guy does the gambling instead of all of the Rich guys and the raffle only sells 12,000 tickets...
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    Exactly. There's a lot of rich guys out there so why are these raffles only selling 12,000 tickets? And if there are any rich hunters that are gonna gamble on a raffle its most likely gonna be some of these az elk/sheep/deer tags. Are only two rich guys trying for these things buying all 12,000...
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    Lol all those rich millionaires you hang out with dropping $100k on one raffle huh? Don't give me that BS.
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    No doubt there's rich guys spending a couple thousand dollars and their odds are higher than the average Joe. Guarantee noone is dropping $100k+ on raffle tickets. You have to realize if a guy spends $120,000 to buy tickets that gets him 6000 tickets. Last year's elk sold 12,000 tickets. That...
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    No rich guy is dropping $100k+ on raffle tickets without the guarantee of a tag. They claim they buy the tags in the name of conservation but you don't see them just donating $100k out of the kindness of their hearts. Let's be real. . They are paying market value for a product and that money...
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    Utah draw Question?

    In today's hunting applications, this right here is the wildest thing to me. Not only do you not have to buy another to apply but don't even have to buy one for your hunt.
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    Fixed it for you. General hunting public.
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    I don't think the general hunting public cares so much about a few more animals being killed. They care more so about everyone having an equal chance at tags while still raising money.
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    Everyone seems to think the end of the auction tag is the end of all of the money for wildlife. The presentation showed that doing all raffle tags instead of 1 raffle and two auction tags will provide more money for all species except elk, deer, and sheep. And the deficit caused by only raffle...
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    Rich guys aren't gonna flood the raffles because they aren't guaranteed the tag. Even if they do flood the raffle at least other people will have a chance all while making the same amount of money for wildlife. When there are 10,000 raffle tickets sold for a hunt, even if the rich guy buys 1000...
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    No more governors tags for AZ

    The commission voted to get rid of governors/auction tags today. All special tags will be raffle or some type of competition after 2025. The amount of money lost from auctions vs raffles really isn't that much according to the numbers presented. Gonna be some pissed off rich guys and some pissed...
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    Draw Results are up

    Wouldn't waste money on a guide for an antelope hunt in any unit, especially unit 1. Haven't heard of a decent sized antelope coming out of unit 1 in several years so just find one and shoot it.
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    SXS mileage

    7,000 miles in 10 months is crazy. What do you do with that thing?
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    Utah Bear credit card hits

    This is on the website, not the app.
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    Utah Bear credit card hits

    First time applying for utah bear but would this mean I drew a restricted pursuit permit? I applied for two units for pursuit only but this is all it shows me.
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    Draw Results are up

    Usually around a week or so later it will update points.
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    Draw question

    Well that's because it is random. I have never seen a hunt where more guys with top points draw more tags than guys with low points in the random pass. Individually a top point holder has better odds but there are hundreds more people with low points applying so naturally more of those people...
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    Who's going to be first?

    Most likely middle of next week. Unless they work overtime and post them over the weekend which isn't likely.
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    Draw question

    The majority of people don't know what pass is what. Leave the guy alone.
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    Draw question

    Technically the first pass is bonus pass so 20% of tags go to top point holders. Then the second pass is the pass that looks at 1st and 2nd choice equally. If first choice is available then you will draw first choice, if not and second choice is available it will give you 2nd choice. If neither...
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    Who's going to be first?

    If those were your choices with 31 points you mostly likely drew your first choice. Last year both of those hunts were under 31 points for the bonus pass but obviously never know from year to year. Most likely could have had 5b if you tried for it.
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    27 Deer Points

    I'll bite. . What happened?
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    Elk Draw ?

    No, if you screwed up and applied for something you don't want just cancel the card you used. It will get declined and you'll get your bonus point but obviously wasted this year for a chance at a tag. If you're just wanting to change to a different unit or something you're out of luck.
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    Boat load of non res elk points

    So end the point system but grandfather the 10's of thousands of people that currently have points? How do you propose they do that?
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    Some places around the state are getting wet.

    Not looking so good in most elk units according to this.
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    Boat load of non res elk points

    What hunts you going for? You're about there on whatever you want.
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    Boat load of non res elk points

    I'd go for 23 late rifle. Rough stuff but chance at a giant bull. Some good outfitters that could help you get a nice one if you're ok with hiring one. Can pull it off by yourself with some scouting. Problem with splitting is any resident putting in with you would need to have a decent amount...
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    AZ late elk success for my son

    Depends what state you're in. Az you can use scopes. I'm also pretty sure that's the point of a muzzleloader. You're supposed to get close. That's why it's considered a primitive weapon.
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    AZ Big Game Raffle

    For mule deer it's literally anywhere in the state that is public land. I believe the only one that limits the units is the sheep tag (at least that's how it used to be).
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    AZ early archery

    Daniel? Is that you? Thanks for resurrecting an almost year old post to defend why it's ok you're a convicted poacher.
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    Anyone ever here what Ryan Hatch and Hamberlin Sentence was?

    They lost their utah license for 14 years and then max in az was 5 years for possession. So technically 14 years in every state.
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    Anyone ever here what Ryan Hatch and Hamberlin Sentence was?

    Correct on the harassing and finding deer from a plane on the navajo rez. However, you're thinking muley crazy, the store in Kanab Utah, that Ryan owns. Muley freak is a different poacher lol
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    Anyone ever here what Ryan Hatch and Hamberlin Sentence was?

    Yes, I think every state but Hawaii and New Jersey but I think both of those states were in the process to be added to the list.
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    Anyone ever here what Ryan Hatch and Hamberlin Sentence was?

    Looks like they'll both be losing their licenses in AZ (along with every other state) tomorrow at the commissioners meeting.
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    Utah’s FINALLY feeling the heat.

    Did they decide not to implement it?
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    Post Score Sheet Please??!!??!!

    I think the buck would be over 200 but barely. Either way, even on bucks that aren't 200" the guides slap a tape on them, add 10-15 inches if they need and tell their client they shot a 200 incher. Client is happy, they get paid, take some pics to make it look bigger, 90% of hunters that don't...
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