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Hossy Dont talk about keyboard warriors. You’re one of the kings of the keyboard (on this site) for the most posts. Hypocrite statement. And please don’t talk about those that opposed the scope removals info as fuel to prove “ your” agenda. A lot of facts were brought to the table - from...

You need to add the other 4 similar posts in - with 1 being locked. I think the other 4 had close to 2000 posts combined. Pretty heated and controversial subject.

Lif I honestly believe the late September muzzy deer hunt is on the poor side for hunt timing. The velvet is coming off the bucks and the hormones push them into the dark timber. As a dedicated hunter 4 times now -only 1 buck killed w a muzzy. The rifle hunt has been far better. For elk in...

Slam If we were to use “our” recent posts about the posted drop/wind charts for discussion/example. We hopefully can agree the 600 yard shot isn’t easy as the wind affects have to be within 1/2 mph. The future tech is here that will almost peg the effects of wind. Look at the revic...

Slam The info that you copied and used is somewhat bad info. The poster probably doesn’t understand the difference between moa and mil. An moa is 1.047” @100 yards so close enough that 4 clicks =1” A MIL is 3.6”@100 yards and 10 clicks per mil is .36” per click. The poster said the scope is...

Lumpy Good point ! A question I asked the DWR when the 3 year unlimited bull elk plan was put into place ? What about annual numbers from biologists ??? What good is a biologist and exit numbers if no one’s listening ?

1- The spin to remove scopes comes from special interest agendas period - not from the average hunter. 2- The western states alignment excuse is socialistic HOA mentality. More states in the US allow scopes than not. 3-DWR harvest data does not support scope removal. 4-The comparison of a...

The truth (facts) is a hard pill to swallow. Continue with your “knows”

You sure about that Hossy ? Are you saying no one was making whitworth reproduction inlines since 1853 ?

Hossy You even acknowledged the history of muzzleloaders on another thread and posted as such. Did you forget about your post on inlines dating back to pre 1853 ? You know the inventor of the inline…….. Waiting for you to come clean Hossycrit.

Elk If the board is reading all of these posts -then the board should “know” that folks on the tech team have been called out for BS as well as anyone that doesn’t agree with the scope removal propaganda. I’m taking about Kevin Norman (sponsored long range competitor) that represents SFW...

Ballistic AE and shooter are the best -JMO

Slam Have variable power scopes been allowed on muzzleloaders in utah since 2016? That’s not future tech -been here for 8 years almost. 1x scopes many years before. The future tech (electronics ban) great work - it really didn’t explode until recently. I will respectively and nicely ask you...

Very well said ! I believe the HAMS hunts were the previews and now the study areas like “Dutton” will set the agenda to push everything back. Rifles and bows are next with the “Dutton” study. Unlimited sales on 2nd season any bulk units will put more hunters in the field (great for $$$) but...

I am mostly in agreement with your post. Just want to add to it. Centerfire rifles are built much better today than yesterday. Example 300 Weatherby from 1944 Shoots super fast. Tolerances on the chamber design are really loose (purposely to keep the shooter that never cleans the gun safe) so...

I have several calibers - but 1 combo really shines. It’s a 260 Remington. Why does it shine ? The cold bore hits within 1/4” of the next shots and the speeds are within 10 fps. It’s really hard to get any gun to do that and I’ve shot and owned a lot. Funny thing is it has a mid grade steel...

I have been really lucky that this hasn’t happened to me with my muzzleloader shooting. I know folks that have and the energy release is explosive. Glad your back doing what you love.

So scopes have advanced a lot. Although they have mostly (early years) always had internal dials they were capped. Sure you could take the caps off and dial with a dime or a penny. The inherent problem with the older pre 2000 scopes was tracking reliability. Most of us shooters would turn those...

Hossy It won’t do me any good. I won’t be able to see it. Maybe when I had 20/10 vision years ago -that’s gone forever now……. But those fancy open sights are there if you look hard enough.

I don’t have the solution for taking everything back a few steps. But rifles and archery could be taken back a few as well. I have all 3 weapon types. Everything I own is high tech except my outdated 5 year old bow that only shoots 280 fps. My old round wheel only shot 230 fps and it took...

This is a late reply -but here it is 1-My eyes are older and it’s really difficult to see through open sights 2-The agenda to remove scopes is fueled by special interest groups that do not represent the muzzleloader industry and in my opinion -the vast majority of hunters that have purchased...

Elk You’re in the same boat as I am - just don’t know it yet (your eyes). It’s going to be frustrating to see through those peeps and find your target…..

Good scope article Hossy ! I have supported the electronics ban in scopes that the tech committee proposed since day 1 That was a good decision and I hope it’s permanent.

Elk Reread my post -I said I couldn’t …..

Slam You and I will continue to disagree on the scope removal issue. We are both set in our ways. I think we could mostly agree on this or am I wrong ? The Kevin Norman testimony is truly disturbing. I don’t even know how to process it fully. Why would one of the best shooters in the west not...

Tell ya what Hossy I’ll take the CVA with no scope and modify it with my choice of open sights. I need it for about a month. You can keep the scoped accura and practice to get ready. You and I will meet up for a fun shoot and see what happens. Damnit Hossy ! I can’t see through the peeps...

Slam Kevin Norman is in fact a former sponsored long range competitor and shooter. I have shot against him and he is hard to beat and usually a top 3 if not number 1. Ask him. I’m not sure if had competed in several years as I stopped. He has competed and beat most anyone that has shot against...

Send me a pm with his email. Just curious if it’s the same guy.

Is this the same Kevin Norman that has competed and won several sponsored long range shooting matches ?

Statistically speaking. What are the odds of the equipment failing on a muzzleloader vs a centerfire rifle ? Not to argue but in support of your miss on your deer….. My 30 plus years of shooting muzzleloaders have taught me a lot. And I mean a lot of failures. Humidity/ignition...

For you posters that keep referring to a muzzleloader as a rifle - here’s the definition. A rifle is defined, in part, as a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive...

Good job and good shooting on his part. A majority of hunters can’t hit well at that distance.

Hunt long enough and it’s going to happen. Even a perfect close broadside shot can go bad when an animal spooks right when the trigger is pulled. Elk are tough critters. I have shot elk that have been shot through the vitals a year before (found the bullet in the opposite shoulder and the...

Folks can say all they want about temp insensitive powders not changing with temps - and could be right. What’s missing (and is a major part) is how do the rest of the components react to temp changes. The primer/brass/bullets/barrel also need to be considered. Every gun will react...

Ok So what are your bricks ? #1 1100 yard chip shots w muzzies #2 700 yard antelope #3 simple guy that easily shoots 500 yards #4 it’s on the shelves at cal ranch. #5 muzzies tech has advanced at a much higher rate than other weapons. #6 muzzies are like single shot rifles. And many...

Is that a threat ? What a lame arse cowardly remark that was ! LMAO Elkslayer2015 Active Member Today at 10:47 AM Add bookmark #416 “Nope it’s fact. Just wait let’s see what happens. Hahaha” from elk slayer 2015 Let’s talk about this Slammy boy. A weasel (elk slayer 2015) wants to see...

Is that a threat ?:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: What a lame arse cowardly remark that was ! LMAO

Oh Slammy They have tasked you (tech committee) as the scapegoat ! It’s not really the tech committees fault ? As far as absorbing information I have asked for an answer on wether or not your committee supports the rifle and archery industry with no answer yet on your end ? I can see where...

Are you trying to tell me that since that have been over 1000 posts on 4 separate threads related to the muzzy getting the chopping block -that this is making it easier for the board to decide ? Is divide and conquer your reasoning. Please explain

I’m not done addressing this Slam and not planning on throwing in the towel any time soon. You are wrong with your unproven data on muzzleloaders tech vs archery and rifles. Keep using your Facebook posts and Cal Ranch “what’s on the shelves now” agenda The muzzleloader is on the chopping...