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He has about as much chance as you Bess. It's all in the fix. It's pretty amazing that as a group we may know a few people involved in the process but we don't know them all. Or even maybe the majority. I certainly don't know any personally but I have my impressions via statements on line and...

You think this one was bad? Just keep watching. You won't see suits and ties until the WB meeting. Like that makes a difference. They are people. Just like any other people and they have at least become involved in the politics to put themselves out there. Nothing wrong with trying to keep it a...

Obviously none of you have watched this. It's not as simplified as the Rokslide and Gohunt podcasts

The first 2 hours or so is pretty much deer related. But it is all interesting.

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The CWMU permits are being discussed and recommended this round beginning April 10th. https://wildlife.utah.gov/public_meetings/rac/2024-04-rac-agenda.pdf

Elkass said in post 151 "They Had To Average The Age Class To Keep It Above 5.5!" They average just for years like 2023. The very purpose of averaging.

They have averaged the age class ever since they developed the age classes. This is nothing special this go around.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1166&context=usupress_pubs Pages 17,18 "Hunters and wildlife biologists desiring a higher quality hunt and a higher proportion of mature bucks in the harvest, as were often available during the 1950s and 1960s, caused the establishment...

Search your little heart out. When you find what you are looking for post the link so us peons can see what you are talking about. https://wildlife.utah.gov/hunting/main-hunting-page/big-game.html

I will admit the unit specific plans haven't been updated to the new plan. I just fail to see why it's your way or the highway. Do you not understand that other people can disagree with your opinions and can give a clear reason why they do? I don't even mind those that agree with you. What I do...

Like I said calm down. I know what your "predictions" are. From the link I posted: "B. Dates Covered The elk plan was approved by the Wildlife Board on December 1, 2022 and will be in effect for10 years until December 2032. Two mid-plan reviews spaced 3-4 years apart will be scheduled with the...

You are the only one talking about double. Or even increasing on this discussion. Any chance you can calm down enough to post a well thought out rebuttal to Berry Blasters thoughts? I'll even give you the elk plan. https://wildlife.utah.gov/pdf/bg/elk_plan.pdf

Berryblaster's argument make sense if the facts are true(I have no reason to argue). We are coming into the first year for recommendations of the new elk plan implemented last year. A year where several recommendation were reduced by the WB. And some begrudgingly allowed. If there is one thing...

Feel free to study at your leisure. If you need more look at the left hand column. https://lib.byu.edu/search/byu/search?type=article&q=mule%20deer

What? "We recommend 3,179 traditional limited-entry permits for 2024. This is an increase of 45 permits from the 3,134 permits issued in 2023. The most notable change in this category is the proposed reduction of 125 permits on the Wasatch Mtns unit, from 951 permits to 826 permits. We propose...

You could look at the link and see for yourself if you are really interested.

Proposed numbers https://wildlife.utah.gov/public_meetings/rac/2024-04-rac-packet.pdf

Details! Inquiring minds want to know! Don't just keep throwing out vague accusations. Lets see the list!

If it's taking ten years for a general season tag somebody is not doing something right. I have to chuckle at the LL hate.

The Wildlife Board work session is April 9th. The suggested tag numbers will be presented then. If you listen in you can see if they question any of the recommendations.

https://wildlife.utah.gov/r657-62.html#8 " (5)(a) Each applicant receives a random drawing number for: (i) each species applied for; and (ii) each bonus point for that species."

Deseret Ranch is its own unit. CWMU. There is plenty of BLM to hunt and for the most part access to private is pretty easy. Just not many antelope left in the area.

https://wri.utah.gov/wri/project/search.html?guid=2CB66250-0AAF-42A9-9583-F09A5E2AF4C6

Well somebody needs to sit down with those 49 successful hunters and give them a what for! After all there were 45 people who drew permits and were kind enough to stay home and never even hunt. And then there were another 142 that went out and harassed the herd and let them walk. Now I realize...

I respect his views. He verifies earlier studies and takes them further. The data they are collecting is amazing as far as I'm concerned. It's pretty apparent from some on here that that they have a hard time accepting that data. I'm also pretty sure he has had his time in the RAC/WB process to...

Yes such a travesty for sure! So now the LE archers get a few days while the LE Early guys flood the area scouting. Never mind everyone else. Tough as hell to share the mountain.

Silentstalker, I think you are referencing the 2023 Guide book. 2024 hasn't hit the web site yet. The code I posted is valid for 2024. https://wildlife.utah.gov/r657-5.html

(ii) an antlerless elk or a spike bull elk on a general spike bull elk unit, excluding elk cooperative wildlife management units; The LE Any Bull areas are also the spike only general areas in most cases.

R657-5-28. General Archery Elk Hunt. (1) The dates of the general archery elk hunt are provided in the guidebooks of the Wildlife Board for taking big game. (2)(a) A person who has obtained a general archery elk permit may use archery equipment to take: (i) an antlerless elk or a bull elk on a...

I can't believe they even offered a tag.

My thoughts? Not going to change anything. Nobody is going to believe them anyway. But carry on!

I think you guys are having a hard time corelating satisfaction index's and success percentage. Carry on. I can hardly wait until next year with 100% reporting.

R657-5-10. Muzzleloaders. (1) A muzzleloader may be used during any big game hunt, except an archery hunt, provided the muzzleloader: (a) has both the powder and bullet loaded from the muzzle; (b) has open sights, peep sights, or not more than a 1x scope or sight which contains no internal or...

This ^^^^ Need proof? Check out the number of applicants prior to variable scopes and after. There was no major increase.

If you are around Ogden give Douglas Archery a try.

What will happen down the road is LL holders will have a chance to kill a deer every year they live and desire to go. Will they? I don't think so. No more than they do now. The now mandatory reporting should give you and anybody else a basis for their impact. I have been either lucky or good...

It would be interesting to see age and antler growth for last year coming off the the hard winter. There seemed to be a lot of comments of smaller racks.

Only if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy! :)

Why wouldn't they have that authority? The legislature authorized them. Disclaimer: I don't have a LL. Good on the guys that do. Near as I can tell the legislature has been making laws and policy for a long time. Not all I like or agree with but it is the way it is. They made the decision to...