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I second that.

I don't mind it the way it is. It seems like a fare way to do it. I've had no problem getting a deer tag every single year since the early 80s.

Here's we go AGAIN, confusing hunter management with deer management. This thread is about hunter management and nothing to do with growing more deer through deer herd management.

I completely agree. Each unit should be managed for individual needs. It does seem apparent to me that deer crossings are one area that is really lacking in Utah.

Why RAC? He should go straight to the wildlife board!

I'm guessing a few of them will be mature in a few years. They definitely were not being over hunted.

It could be argued that the deer herds were way over objective in the 50s and were bound to crash. Guess what? They did crash, and they have several times over the last 60+ years. There is zero chance of it returning to mirror those days of the 1950s. It's time to move on. I choose to enjoy what...

The thing is a lot of changes are being made and have been for the past several years. Mother nature needs to do her part.

There are definitely better hunters out there than what I am. If I can go out on the general rifle just last year and see around 50 bucks and 500 does and fawns between my hunting partner and myself. Just about every doe we saw had fawns. Does that really sound like the end of the deer herd in...

I agree. A lot of people get deer and hunter management all mixed up or they think it's all the same when it's two completely different things. I like things the way they are.

What you've been saying all along is hunting deer in Utah is horrible and it will never get any better and it just keeps getting worse and I'm saying that's not true and many units have been getting better from where they were 15 years ago. So I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

Just because there's less deer, it doesn't mean there's not plenty of bucks to be hunted and mature bucks at that. You would have to cut all tags by about 80 percent to get a bunch of 7 and 8 year old bucks running around after the season. Thank goodness 98 percent of the hunters would never...

We all know that there's less deer on most units than ten years ago but if you want to talk about two years ago. Then I would say that there are more deer on many units than there were two years ago and there's definitely a higher percentage of bucks carrying over to the next year than 15-20...

Since you asked some questions, I'll answer. I've already told my wife that I won't mount anything else unless it's bigger than what I already have. I think I might have ten years (at best) left to hunt big game before I give it up but that said, right now there's still plenty of big bucks for...

That's quite the broad brush to paint a picture of doom and gloom with and a false one at that. It might be true within your little world but there are several places in the state that are doing just fine. No wonder you and elkass are such good friends.

Every year when I tell someone that I passed on 20 or 30 bucks during the season but never pulled the trigger on any of them. The response is usually......" Oh, you're one of those trophy hunters" . Now I can tell them......"absolutely not but I am a self regulator" 🤪

So is "self regulator" the new word for "trophy hunter"?

I don't think elkass has killed a buck in over 20 years.

Nothing like blowing up a unit with a thread like this . 👍

Can you please define self regulate? I'm sure it means something different to a lot of people.

These kind of poles are useless. Alot of people won't answer truthfully or they just go along with what they've heard from others. I believe the unit your closest to and can spend the most time on will get the best results.

This year it's at 20.4. That's above the 18-20 ratio. I get what you're saying about the three year average being the needle we should be looking at. In the end, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to keep that unit the same for one more year. I'm guessing there must have been a good fawn carry over to...

Even though the beaver has increased the buck / doe ratio by 25 percent the last two years and now is at the top end of the management plan for those ratios. If I was on one of the boards, I'd vote for a more conservative increase. Probably 300 tags. Putting it at 1500.

I was being sarcastic too. If the hunter numbers were determined solely on buck to doe ratios, I would be fully against that type of management but that's not the case at all. The dwr takes account fawn survival, winter losses, overall herd numbers and buck to doe ratios. Since the boulder buck/...

What exactly are you referring to?

I'm hoping to have a discussion about this subject. I've read over and over again about the Colorado deer move to lower elevation when as big snow storm hits. I get that but I'm having a hard time understanding when people say " the 2nd rifle was better because it snowed that week, then it...

Really? 😲

It's 15 percent

I guess that's what makes me a little different by jumping in early. I am looking for a monster and honey holes would be a great start. 😉

A few other 4th seasons I'm interested in if anyone want to chat through a PM about one of those units, they are units 40, 68 and 79.

Thanks

Someone should ask the local biologist that question.

From what I understand, SJ is a lot easier to o find a bigger buck closer to the road.

If you hunt Vernon, I'll help you pack one out. Just give me a call.

That's got to be the most accurate thing you've said in years! 🤔😂

You wanted an example, so I gave you an example.

In general, I think things are going pretty good. I know several guys having no problem finding mature bucks.

If the bucks were managed a better way on those premium units, we would see better results. Management by age harvest is a terrible way to manage. Especially when aging by teeth is somewhat unreliable. Talk about status quo.

It sure looks like kamas took a big tag cut.

This is why some units are seeing tag cuts. Other units are increasing in numbers, so tag numbers are being increased.