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You got three shots at the same un-wounded animal? That's pretty impressive. You must be pretty fast at reloading.

You won't have a tag in your pocket every year anyway. It may improve for a year or two, but after the rifle guys figure out that it is taking 8-10 years to draw a rifle Gen Deer tag, they will all make a mass exodus back to the muzzleloader hunt like a dog to its vomit. It's a nice thought...

FWIW, I recently spoke to a close family member of one of the WB, and he sounded very confident that they were going back to old regs (1x scopes). Whether or not the committee recommendation changes that remains to be seen.

It is only a recommendation at this point. The WB makes the final call. I will say that I absolutely hate the COR option. If you will allow a 1x for COR, you should allow it for all. Same with cross bows. CORs are easily obtained. If the board really wants to choke down on muzzies, they...

Just a reminder that elk muzzleloader hunts already are after the elk rifle hunts.

Makes sense. I participated in a muzzleloader scope survey a couple of weeks ago from the DWR. Is that something that was sent out by the committee or was it initiated elsewhere? Do you know the results of that survey? I was not impressed with the wording of the survey. It seemed geared to...

I thought you said you were going to vote for 4x.

I was a little late getting my trail cameras retrieved this year, and now one of them is missing. It is a Bushnell Trophy Cam in a camo pattern. It was set up in Central Utah. It might of had some pictures of a sweet velvet 6-point with big sweeping thirds. If anyone has come across a camera...

Slam, I pointed this out in the other thread that if the goal is to limit the effective range of a muzzleloader to 250 yards, then a 1x/open sights would be the way to do it (I agree with your statement). Whether you shoot a 40, 45, 50, 54, $10,000 custom or $200 from Walmart, it doesn't...

Sorry guys. There are no deer down here in Southern Utah. They all died. I guess you'll just have to stay away from here now that you know that. Really unfortunate. Darn!

Yes, you're right about that! In fact, Romney might be worse if that is possible. It's embarrassing really! Shame on Utah! And for the record, he NEVER got my vote!

I keep reading the argument that Utah should fall in line with neighboring states in terms of muzzleloader scopes. So if Utah should try to be more like neighboring states, does that mean that we should hunt deer well into November like Colorado or start hunting them with a rifle in mid...

But it looks so easy on instagram!!!

Well, some of you did. Others just got their names added to a backorder list because that's what happens when everybody in the entire state suddenly needs the same thing at the same time.

Can I be on the committee now?!

Using Pyrodex

At 3800 FPS

There's one of me dumping a deer at 1100 with my original CVA Accura MR... ?

Slam, Is the committee recommending a ban on 40's and 45's, or is the discussion narrowed to only optics at this point?

So this is Elkassassin's fault!!!!! ?

Amen to that! The sabot is the weak link. If they want to reign in muzzleloaders, they should require the use of sabots ?.

1100 yards huh? So we have guys pushing morals on us that they themselves don't possess.

Feel free, but I know what I got!

Elkassassin, You need to stop talking that way! You're going to affect the sale price on my classified ad!

Utah Long Range Muzzleloader Scope! New technology for 2024 First Focal Plane I'll let it go for $1000 TYD!

Slam, I have already made my opinion on the matter pretty clear, but I have to ask, if the board thinks that LR muzzleloaders are the new root of all evil, does your 4x scope proposal change anything? For example, if we use a 1-4x Vortex Crossfire as an example, the reticle dot at 700 yards...

If the change HAS to happen, I would much prefer the change to affect optics than other options such as ignition type or caliber. As long as at least a 1X scope is allowed, then everyone for the most part can still use their current equipment. Most of us probably already have a 1X scope lying...

So explain again why you are still going to use your 4X-16X scope this year ?

Slam, I will say this, I will always take a 4X over a 1X or open sights. There is no doubt about that. However, in my worthless opinion, I do think muzzleloaders are receiving a disproportionate level of scrutiny compared to centerfire rifles. I understand that rifles are "meant" to be long...

Does a scope like that even exist? Almost all the 1-4x scopes on the market are geared towards AR's. They are tactical-style scopes with at least one of the two features you mentioned. If you come across one that is quality enough to handle the recoil of a muzzleloader, let me know. I might be...

Thanks for clarifying.

Slam, Thanks for that info. I just want to make sure I understand your position. -General Season Rifle (4X scope Max). -All other gun hunts (no scopes). Is that correct? Or are you suggesting an additional LR rifle category that allows for higher power scopes? Sorry, I was a little confused...

Okay, you baited me ?. Removing scopes from muzzleloaders is a drastic change. If they do that, then the changes for archery and rifle need to be equivalently drastic. Merely outlawing the Burris Eliminator on rifles isn't going to cut it.

But honestly, I only posted this to see if anyone knew if they had limited the scope of the debate at all, or if anything and everything was still on the table for next year. I wasn't necessarily trying to stir the pot.

I don't disagree at all with your points. If the idea behind removing scopes from muzzleloaders is for limiting the effective range of the weapon, then it has to occur across the board.

Makes sense to a degree. However, a lot of scopes still have very repeatable turrets under the cap.

I would be shocked if they allow any magnification, but I was shocked when they allowed it before, so your guess is as good as mine. Why fixed 4X? Why not 1-4X?

My main question is simply if anyone knows what the current debate of those in power is centered on. Is it centered only on magnified scopes, or are 1X scopes still being scrutinized. Just wondering if anyone is in the know.

The advantage is that it doesn't require a thousand+ utah hunters to go get their barrels tapped for a peep or front sight. So I guess that is the advantage that I see. I wonder how well the peep sight supply can keep up. I wonder how well it is even keeping up with the New Mexico change.

Yes, I am aware of this fact. I guess that's what I am asking. It seems to me that a 1x scope gives no advantage over a peep site (especially over a Gunwerks peep), so are 1X scopes on the chopping block or not?