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  1. llamapacker

    Colorado Unit 2 Elk Questions

    The very big caveat in the above analysis is "if everyone repeats", which means nobody else enters the drawing with 31 or more points this year or in the future. The reality is there are quite a few people with very high points that have just been putting in for points, and each year more of...
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    Your Favorite Method of Hunting? (Poll)

    The reality is I love all 3 weapon types, and typically use at least bow and rifle each year. The problem with picking one weapon type is you limit your season. I can archery hunt from mid August until early October, depending on the state, and rifle hunt from mid September through Late...
  3. llamapacker

    NHL in Utah

    Would love to have an NHL team in SLC. in the meantime, Go VGK! Bill
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    Bull elephant or stone sheep?

    In several countries you can export the ivory. In others, you are just part of the managment program and everything stays with the village. Management style elephant hunts are cheaper than most elk hunts these days - call it $10k
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    Bull elephant or stone sheep?

    I've tasted the elephant meat from those I have harvested, but there is usually far better meat in camp (eland, kudu, impala, etc.). Yes, the locals take every scrap, including the intestines and dung. By the end of the day there is nothing but a damp spot in the grass where the elephant was...
  6. llamapacker

    Bull elephant or stone sheep?

    The bull elephant hunt, for sure. There are plenty of cheaper trophy elephant hunts, but a Botswana tusker should be over 50 pounds per tusk, maybe 70+. You WILL be into elephants regularly, sleep in a real bed, and eat great food. Success rates are very high, the real question is will the ivory...
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    Is OnX looking at way points, stealing spots?

    There are plenty of computer algorithms that can look at millions or billions of date points and identify trends in that data. It doesn't take great genius to use this data. And it is very unlikely that one point marked "400" elk" would be helpful, but the aggregate of everyone's data might be...
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    Scorer Question

    In the simplest terms, showing that trophy quality is stable indicates a healthy herd and counters the argument that hunting is hurting the health of the species. More entries might indicate a herd that is growing and indicate good management practices, or of course the converse if there are no...
  9. llamapacker

    1st Coues buck!

    Congrats on some great deer. Who was your outfitter? Bill
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    Scorer Question

    As a B+C and P+Y measurer, it is against policy to accept any tip. We are volunteers, and the service is free. The entry to the club does cost $40, but noting is paid to the measurer. Bill
  11. llamapacker

    24 draw

    I will be applying to draw elk in the NW corner with 32 NR points. Probably not a lock, but the odds are getting better each year (finally!) Bill
  12. llamapacker

    Booking Africa at the Utah hunt expo?

    There are definitely plenty of good African outfitters at the Expo. I have hunted with a few, and also hunted Africa with many others that don't come to the Expo. It is important to know the type of hunting experience you want, and not to focus simply on price. Some of my early trips were not...
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    Conservation Tag Conspiracy

    We all know that the Expo tags are nothing but welfare to keep SFW / MDF in business. The state turned down a more lucrative offer from RMEF several years ago to market these tags. And as shown above, other states like WY, WA, etc., hold a raffle and make much more money per tag than MDF / SFW...
  14. llamapacker

    Toyota Tacoma or SxS?

    I would much rather hunt out of a Taco in most situations, BUT I can't take a Taco 500+ miles from home and still have my large camping trailer. I have an F350 with a flat bed that can handle my SXS and I can still pull a 30' travel trailer and have all the comforts of home for an extended...
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    Book Cliffs Roadless bison

    I fully support all the hunters who are unhappy about the lack of bison in the roadless area this year. The DWR does need to step up. Spending several decades of points on a hunt with virtually no chance of success(cows) is wrong. Even though I shot a loner bull, it was not anything like the...
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    Book Cliffs Roadless bison

    What most people still call the "roadless tag" actually includes the southern part of the book cliffs. This was added to the roadless unit a few years ago specifically to allow bison to be harvested if they stayed on winter range. Bill
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    Book Cliffs Roadless bison

    I just returned from this hunt. I hunted 11 days with an outfitter and saw one track. The bison simply aren't in the roadless area right now. Reports from the biologist say there hasn't been a collared bison (mostly cows) on the roadless unit in over a month. I did manage to kill the only bison...
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    Weekend Funny

    Been a lot of years since I first saw that, but still LOVE IT! Thanks, Bill
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    Jan 2022 Coues back

    Glad you had a good trip. Congrats! Bill
  20. llamapacker

    WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THE WORLD QUIT TURNING???

    I was in the wilderness elk hunting, with no communication. Didn't learn about 9/11 until I came out of the mountains on the 15th, I believe. Had an unusual amount of voicemails, and one saying I needed to call home immediately as "world events" had been happening. Pretty hard to even learn the...
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    Flight questions

    I would recommend African Sky Lodge, but the city hotel in the airport will work. You will have a much more pleasant experience at African Sky, meet some great people, and be well cared for. The only reason I would stay at the city hotel is if I had a very short layover (less than 10 hours.)...
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    Arizona GMU 34A - December 1-10 tag

    You should call Bobby Boido at Coues Outfitters in Tucson. Unless you have lots of experience hunting coues deer you will be much better off with an outfitter. Bill
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    Reviews of Eastman's On-line Mule Deer Course

    I was an early subscriber and actually had over 10 articles published in Eastman's. Back in the day, it was the go to place for info and good content. That has changed dramatically, and the magazine is now practically unreadable. I've had several conversation in the last few years with Guy and...
  24. llamapacker

    G5 Montec’s

    I work in SLC but live in Davis county. Let me know if you are heading north anytime soon. No worries if you find someone local who wants them. Bill
  25. llamapacker

    G5 Montec’s

    Where are you located? I'd like to meet up and make a deal. Send me a PM if you prefer. Bill
  26. llamapacker

    First African Hunt advise please

    I have taken eland in RSA, Namibia, and Zimbabwe. They can be an incredibly fun stalking hunt in thick bush, or a relatively simple affair to ambush over water or sometimes even on the open plains. I don't know anyone who specializes in eland, unless you start talking about Lord Derby eland. The...
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    Taxidermist

    I will second High Uintahs. Dean and Steven do a lot of African work at the highest level. Bill
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    Alaska Fishing Unplanned Last Minute Advice

    Virtually every major fishing port in Alaska has guides that make their living on drop in clients. From people getting off cruise ships for a day, to ordinary tourists that get the urge when they arrive, it shouldn't be a problem to at least get on a party boat unless there is a major event in...
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    Just curious what he scores.

    I think most of the guesses are a little low, and I would guess about 320-325. You might get to 335 if you are talking gross score. Since he is hanging on the wall, why not just grab a tape and find out? Bill
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    Residency Truths

    People are caught every year in most western states fraudulently applying for resident licenses. The penalties are severe, in many cases worse than if you were caught hunting without any license whatsoever. While perhaps tempting, virtually everyone gets caught. Bill
  31. llamapacker

    What is your week

    If you are only hunting 6-7 days for elk that is the biggest problem I see! I like to elk hunt in at least 4 states each year, 5-6 if I get lucky in the draws. That means I have at least 10 days in each month starting in August. I get the early, early season, the rut, post rut, and late season...
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    Widest Buck You've Ever Seen? And Taken?

    This buck went a hair over 40" when I shot him in Colorado. After drying, the outside spread is "only" 39 7/8". This was before the bad die-off in Colorado about 15 years ago. Bill
  33. Wide Load!

    Wide Load!

    MM member, llamapacker, shared this wide buck in a thread called, "Widest Buck You've Ever Seen? And Taken?"
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    6 creedmore muley gun

    Yes, and W.D. Bell killed over 1,000 elephants with a 7x57 mauser. That doesn't mean it is the best choice for today's elephant hunters. I acknowledged just about anything will kill. The 6 Creed is not the best choice for large game, which seems hard to dispute. I use the ELDX and have had...
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    6 creedmore muley gun

    I love my 6 Creed, and use it for antelope and Coues deer. I'm not sure why anyone would want to use it for elk. Mule deer maybe, but not the big old bucks. And yes, I know it will kill, but it is definitely light for the larger animals, and there are much better choices available. I will...
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    Book Cliffs Roadless Bison guides?

    I was finally able to draw the Book Cliffs roadless bison tag this year. I've reached out to a couple of the guides who are sponsors on this site, but looking for any additional recommendations. I have a fair bit of experience hunting bison, but I will need someone with horses / mules to get me...
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    So what stops you from going?

    While what you describe is possible in RSA, it is unlikely. More than likely the plains game such as the bushbuck, kudu etc., are naturally occurring, but almost certainly the number of buffalo and their relative size are well known on an RSA game farm. This doesn't mean they are tame, just that...
  38. llamapacker

    12 gauge over under

    I have a used Winchester 101 and a brand new Weatherby Orion I would be willing to sell within your budget. Send me a PM if you would like to discuss in more detail. Bill
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    Bridger Teton Grizz

    The way you have written the question tells me you will have trouble relaxing in grizzly country. I hike routinely in the dark, pack meat in the dark and generally go about my business in grizzly country the same as anywhere else. The few concessions I might make is to erect an electric bear...
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    Idaho MSG posted

    Idaho MSG results are posted. No joy for me... Bill
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