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Sorry, but I'm not willing to trade my opportunities for the possibility that someone who might hunt in the future will have an opportunity to draw a tag. The reality is that with the population growth folks will have little chance of drawing a tag without some sort of revamping of the system.

What I think is funny is that guys use the hardest to draw tags in the state when citing examples of point creep in other states but when they want an example of a tag you can actually draw, they cite doe tags.....clueless.

I suspect that women and kids (mostly kids) draw more tags simply due to odds. One man puts his wife and four kids in the draw which gives them 5 chances to draw to his 1. The tag transfer is another thing that causes unusual demand. a person can put all non-hunting relatives (licenses holders)...

One thing that I realize is how foolish it is to argue the same topic with the same clueless folks. However, I did read one reply that said "if you get away from the antlered rifle tags, your odds greatly increase". DUH!!!! We don't enter controlled hunts to hunt antlerless animals. We are...

Just to give folks some idea of how people think differently, I have a friend who lives in Sacramento who enjoys hunting. He was headed out to the middle of Montana to hunt on a property that a CA friend owned. He drove through eastern Oregon, along the Columbia, through C'dA, Missoula, Great...

Just like the northern Californians who want to create a new state, these folks all want to become part of something better. The truth is that if they created a new state, soon Boise and C'dA would become the population centers that controlled everything else. Of course, there is even mention of...

I think that in reality, it takes a lot of courage to move from an area that you are comfortable with and relocate to an area that is uncertain. Many folks wait until an area begins looking like the place they are leaving before they are comfortable pulling the plug and getting out, especially...

I lived in C'dA in 1989 before the boom hit. You could walk down the street and buy any of 500 homes for $20,000 with $500.00 down. They were small one or two bedroom homes and were on the market because the Chinese investor who owned them was getting out. Realtors talked of a "boom" but no one...

Because they know they can change that! Truly, I believe that many Californians feel that they can take their monopoly money from Ca and buy cheap in Idaho and watch their investment grow all over again as more Californians follow them.

Yes, most don't realize how great CA is but in reality the crowding isn't because every square inch is covered with homes. Certainly the cities are huge and choked off with traffic which makes day to day moving about impossible and on weekends, everyone migrates to the country to recreate with...

That logic is sound but the flaw is it doesn't work if you have to have any economy that will support your job. Three or four years ago, you could find a home in Grandview for forty to sixty k, now it's $140k. Take a look at Salmon home prices (believe me, I've looked at almost every town in...

I once asked someone who moved here from CA (who sold real estate) if they liked Idaho. Their reply was "I love it because this is where the money is"! It wasn't the beauty of the state nor the fact that it was uncrowded (We'll change that!), it was the fact that it was another place that could...

These threads always come down to statements like "Not all of these people are bad". Of course not but here is the deal. When places become over-crowded like CA, people learn that consideration for others has little merit because no one cares and it becomes "survival of the most aggressive"...

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Someone suggested that residents buy the non-resident tags at face value and burn them. based upon the fact that left over tags sell out to residents, I would suggest that if they gave the residents the first opportunity at non-resident tags, few non-residents would get the chance to hunt in Idaho.

The number isn't 75% or even a majority, but it is substantial (yes, it can be looked up). And very often those tags go unfilled because hunters shoot a meat buck on the first tag then hold out for horns.

If this is true, then why do hunters draw tags as non-residents in states with point systems, yet never draw even the easier tags as residents in Idaho?

The reason kids aren't hunting has nothing to do with the lack of opportunity. Everyone knows it has everything to do with the tech age. It's a lot easier to shoot something in a video game than it is in real life.

Folks keep mentioning how unfair this is to kids, C'mon do kids really care if they get to hunt for trophy animals? No, that all comes from Dad! I believe another part of the problem is Idaho's policy of transferring tags to juniors that are family members. I know of quite a few guys who put...

Idaho wouldn't need a point system if we got the non-residents out of our state!

And too often, guys are using the hardest to draw hunts as their examples. Let's face it, If there are 10-20 tags available in a hunt, nothing is going to help you draw. I can see that I am not alone in my thinking and more importantly, I can see that the tide is shifting and will continue...

LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-19 AT 06:40AM (MST)[p]Let's take this a step further. How about taking the top twenty controlled hunts and stating that only residents can apply for those? There is no law saying all hunts must be available to non-residents. In fact, many states don't allow non-residents to...

I would say exactly the same thing about those who don't want a point system. I agree that the popularity of hoarding points in every state has made things tough, but I have still had many great hunts because of points that might never have happened through random chance. Why can't a system be...

And it is so easy for this person to give up the spot to someone else because they didn't earn it. Personally, I have enough respect for the wildlife that if I am done using a spot, let the wildlife live in peace until someone else works their way in.

Two examples....number one, In a place far away, long, long ago, I worked in an archery shop. A guy comes in talking about his recent trip out of state on which he killed a pretty good 26" buck. He only mentioned the state and the last major city that he went through. He talked of seeing elk and...

> >I'm more annoyed with the guys >that come on here and >make posts about guys wanting >help. If you don't >want to help don't help. > If you don't want >to see it don't click >on it. It's really >that easy. > > What you have to understand about this is that people DO learn how to...

This thread needs to keep on going. I learned long ago how bad folks are about keeping their mouths shut. If someone is offended because folks don't hand out info "because they drew a tag", too bad for them. Their wives and daughters drew the tag because they overloaded the system with their...

Wow! Look at that, I got an email from ODFW telling me the draw was completed and a link to see the results...?.no back door, no math required, no sweat, no worry.

Here's how you do it, first put your favorite hunting clothes on; log on to the website; close all the curtains and doors in the room; light a smoky piece of wood to fill the room with smoke, close your eyes and spin in a circle five times. now you have the proper frame of mind. Slightly crack...

I always look forward to the 2nd draw cause I know there's no way in heck that I'm going to draw anything in the first draw, LOL. Of course I never draw in the 2nd one either!

LAST EDITED ON May-30-19 AT 10:25AM (MST)[p]>It's hard to get positive advice >on drawings in the states >where you have equal chances >at a good tag as >everyone else. Idaho and New >Mexico residents get jaded by >questions on units they try >to draw to be let >down, then asked about it...

>I wasn't putting you down missalot. >I just didn't think the >guy asking for advise was >ready for the "hard" truth. >I've seem Nevada, Colorado, Oregon, >Washington, Idaho, Wyoming and more >get Californicated as well. I >just shake my head, because >yes, they take their problems...

> >>I've run construction projects in many >>of the eleven western states >>which has allowed me to >>spend a great deal of >>time in each of them. >>I've seen how many areas >>have been changed completely (the >>term "Californicated" was coined to >>describe the effect). I can't >>stop...

>You're awful bitter missalot. You seem >to know a lot about >California for living in Idaho. >Truth is the politics ruined >California, not all the people >moving there. > >Hey Mober, I will disagree with >you on one thing. Wyoming >has good deer hunting, and >good people! From my...

>Hey Mark...... >Come on up to Idaho. The >hunting is good and so >are the people. Don't pay >any attention to the "I've >got mine now and you >can't have yours" people. >It doesn't matter if you >were born and raised here >in Idaho or you have >moved here from a less >desirable...

Mober, In actuality, most of us are giving you good advice. Do you really want to move to a place that will be like the place that you left in five or ten years? It doesn't really matter where people move from, it matters that they are all coming here. And judging from all indications, they...

LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-19 AT 09:37AM (MST)[p]>So miss, you lived in Ca >and then moved to Idaho? >Hypocrisy much? No, that's cda as in couer d' alene, Idaho not ca as in California

>LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-19 >AT 11:33?AM (MST) > >LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-19 >AT 11:32?AM (MST) > >So Elkboy, for fun how long >have you/family been in Idaho? > I'm in Oregon and >show up with Oregon plates >you going to run me >out of town? > >DZ > >Edit, I'm Gluten free. I >guess...

>Okay, you all got me! with >the exception of alwayshunting. I >had the the nuts to >tell you where I am >from. I really did not >know I would get all >this helpful feedback from my >post (my bad). Like I >mentioned earlier I am from >Northern Ca. it does get >below 0 degrees in the...

I lived in CdA when the boom hit. Realtors made a killing. Sell a Californian a property for 10x it's current value, then sell it again the following year when the Californians bailed on it. Unfortunately, enough stayed to really clog the area.