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You knew what I was alluding to. There was never a need to break out archery only OIL....put them back in the any weapon pool and use a muzzy or bow if you want.

Slam, appreciate the work you put in but I still don't agree. The argument of when is enough enough doesn't fly with me. Technology is why we have the rifles we have. I have read where you state that a muzzleloader is not a long range weapon nor was it intended. I differ, the longer range it...

And while we are it, put compound bows back in the any weapon pool

Bring my dad back and head to Africa for his dream hunt of cape buffalo

Cant go wrong with Davis or Montana tents...have had both and they do the job

This thread reminds me of.........Blondes or brunettes? Ginger or MaryAnn....:)

Now on the other side, Indian and McCook

Saw a lot of elk in the wolf den area in the past, that lower country perplexes me sometimes

Manage the wildlife not the social aspects! I highly doubt that there are enough of these super muzzy’s to worry about, much less the owners being skilled enough to use them to their potential. there’s always somebody in this state that’s complaining about what someone else has or does. Does...

Atchee ridge, Big Park

I like the idea as well. However what the hell does it have to do with technology?

I thought these were recommendations not rules (yet) ? I’m not sure the board will adopt, seems like a lot of us common folk disagree with it. Just like pols, they listen to the squeaky wheel. Of course there is always an axe to grind by a board member, or an organization. Seems to me if you...

That female Nyala is crazy unique!

Nope, you aren’t a bad guy. Just differing opinion.

No, they are evolutionary, each one is a result of technology and progression and were top notch at a point in history. Each however was supplanted as better technology came along......each were made to be the most lethal at the time..... Archery was long range compared to spear Muzzy was long...

Where does a scope on a muzzleloader negatively influence perception? I can that rationale for a a drone, aircraft spotting, but scope no........and again, where is it shown that B:D ratios have dropped? Anyone checked with B&C or SCI for all these monster bucks that are supposedly being killed...

Ah, lest one forgets, when the debate was archery only OIL; use your bow on any weapon!

Only because he agree’s with your opinion. On this board alone there is more opposition in removing scopes than there is in support. How many folks actually have these super muzzleloaders being discussed? Really, how many tags are given to muzzleloader hunters? Far less than any of the other...

If the data produces the same results why the hell change? No, it’s not common knowledge- it’s an opinion not backed by data This is an exercise of axe grinding; I find it laughable that folks looking at technology aren’t using data to drive decisions but instead are relying on opinion, use a...

So it has been decided........not intended as a slight and appreciate you bringing this to the forum and believe in vigorous debate, (attack the idea not the person) but how does that bring about opportunity? For the record I don’t hunt with muzzleloaders

What data backs up a lot? I believe Vanilla brought data that indicates scopes on muzzleloaders did NOT increase harvest rates so........ logically it’s a non issue. However, because people’s panties are in a wad to solve a problem that doesn’t exist something will be done that will be to the...

Take a look at the harvest rates on the DWR webpage and examine success rates 2018-2021 and 2013-2015 and you will see success rates for muzzleloader general season deer was 28% in 2013-2015 compared to 2018-2021 success of 20%. Difference in tags issued in those time frames roughly 1000 more...

I agree, liked it better when you could only apply for one hunt per category. spread things around a bit. The state finally saw it as a money maker and changed it.....but like most I have been in it for a while so I am going to stick with it at least it provides an avenue for a hunt!

lol, I'll do a few this year, timing is not good for me for most hunts. But I will more than likely get a bunch of u suck letters

I told my son on his bookcliffs tag a few years ago the exact same thing!

Larry Hicks huh?

I fell over when I saw this , so I had to go look at the odds on the Game and Fish...there it showed 19 points. Don't know which is the correct data source. But thanks for pointing it out to me

As a non resident, not enough points to ever (according to lifespan averages) to ever be in the preference point pool and now even less of an opportunity for tags in the random. Really don’t want to hunt cow moose, not why I put in. I’ll just wait and see before I decide on anything. It’s...

Always enjoyed hunting Wyoming. Unfortunately in that no mans land with 14 Moose points. I'll wait and see what really happens before making any decisions. While I don't blame the residents for wanting more tags ( I would if I was in their shoes). Just do it and get on with it whatever it...

talked to them prior to putting in for the cow hunts, seemed straight up. they did go longer on the cow hunts this year with dividing the hunters up in three weekends. I'm curious about what differences are from the Two points opinion

got my green tag last week

Way too many, (9). Figured I was in no man’s land, too many for most units and not enough for great units. With the new season structure thought I’d hunt now, leave the points game as I’m to old to draw again and enjoy the season.

Well, successful for 2nd season 21. Be happy to hunt this year! Now the fun of scouting, researching, and take a few trips out there to see the country and find a good camping spot. Good luck to all who drew!

2nd season Unit 21, 9 points

Two years ago had a late season Arizona Coues tag and hunted the last five days of the year. Purchased a lion tag but like you thought the bears would be denned up as well so didn't spend the $150. Lo and behold second day of the hunt saw three lion's (mama and two kittens) at less than 200...

That's a wonderful mount!

Just Gorgeous!

Amazing it was able to survive that long

I purchase a H/O tag every year....just in case. H/O is not good for all units I know. plus relatives have hounds so is always fun to see such a majestic animal. Had an opportunity in Arizona a few years ago, had it there dead to rights at 200 yard except it had kittens was cool to watch them...

Been hunting Utah quite awhile; used to to see the warden on horseback every now and then but haven't for about 10 years. Been checked many, many times and only had two experiences that made me wonder wtf. Once we were about 60 yards off the road glassing a hillside and saw a bear, we bs'd...