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    sheep goat draw 2023

    Multiple solo scouting trips, during which I spotted this ram twice. But knew that he needed to make it through the early season. I had met three of the four early season hunters thru the RMBS and on the mountain. We shared a lot of information, and one of them knew of this ram and a second...
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    sheep goat draw 2023

    I would like to thank everyone on here that provided information. The Colorado RMBS for hosting the meet and greet, and for their members providing valuable information on where to start my search. Had a son and three grandson's with me. For an S3 ram I'm very happy.
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    sheep goat draw 2023

    You play the draw game for decades in multiple states and sometimes you win. Now I'm old and really understand how special it is. But the legs and lungs are not what they used to be.
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    sheep goat draw 2023

    Lucked out and drew S3 2nd season. Planning on attending the meet and greet in July and do a little scouting depending on the snow levels.
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    Elk management meeting today

    The fighting concerns me also. Its not just weapons and tech. Next meeting its hounds and baiting. Memorial weekend is prime for both. Then its mule deer and lions. Swans will be a topic in the spring. Its not something that interests most folks but the snake and lizard meeting last year...
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    Elk management meeting today

    There are a number of posts on this topic. I will answer here. The HAMS weapons restriction was the worse policy roll out I've seen in the 11 years I have been on the RAC and WB. There is enough blame to go around, with the exception of the Tech Committee, they did their job. Let folks know...
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    Elk management meeting today

    I love passionate people and that describes most hunters.
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    Elk management meeting today

    I honestly don't know and I don't have to settle my own mind until spring.
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    Elk management meeting today

    I don't have any information regarding enforcement and how it is going. I've been sued once because an acquaintance was involved in a case. So I try to stay in my lane. The best advise I can give is call the SL office and ask for the law enforcement office. Sorry
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    Elk management meeting today

    The change was passed but delayed a year. I'm told there are some points that need to be ironed out, but that they are not big issues. That will be determined over the next year. But at this point it will go any bull but in 2024.
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    Elk management meeting today

    Thank you. I don't disagree with anything you said. I'm just not sure were it will land. Thanks again.
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    Elk management meeting today

    The mentor program is in statue so it is not under the wildlife board. It will take a legislator to sponsor a bill to change it. I'm not great at getting things sponsored at the capitol. With a very limited scope it might have a chance. I will keep my ears open for an opportunity. I suspect...
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    Elk management meeting today

    Let me look into that issue.
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    Elk management meeting today

    I suspect that the limited entry archery hunts will be split in the future. Hunters would decide if they want a rut or pre rut tag. Pros and cons as always. But I think it would put limited entry tags in hunters hands more often if they opted for the pre rut archery tag.
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    Elk management meeting today

    Talked about this option. There are hunts that at time time would take over 100 years to clear out just the points. I think Utah's point system is the fairest of them all. What I don't like is the entitlement it has created. I've waited 25 years and I deserve something. Without the point...
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    Elk management meeting today

    I agree with you. But there are those that think differently. I don't think there is a legal stand to win a lawsuit. But if you know the right folks in the legislature anything is up for grabs.
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    Elk management meeting today

    I wasn't sure about the unlimited second season tag until the multi season any bull tags were eliminated. When they went away I was comfortable with the unlimited second season. Everyone has a view on how this will go, but no one has a crystal ball.
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    Elk management meeting today

    All I can say is we have not gotten the complaints regarding the spike multi season tags. I brought up the spike tags and there was no appetite to change them. I was a no vote on the multi season any bull because I thought we could keep them with a smaller quota. The vote to remove them was 5-1.
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    Elk management meeting today

    That occurs at the different meeting. Tag prices were not addressed.
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    Elk management meeting today

    The conservation tags can be statewide but most are hunt specific. The landowners tags are unit specific but I suspect most will choose the early rifle.
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    Elk management meeting today

    The proposal was purchase a bull or cow tag, or both. But if you purchased an OTC tag you lost all accumulated cow points. The proposal was also to change the private land tags so that you would not lose your points by buying an OTC cow tags. They should be the same. In the end the archery...
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    Elk management meeting today

    Yes the percentages of tags was reduced also
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    Elk management meeting today

    If I missed any let me know
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    Elk management meeting today

    We have been put on notice that points now have value and legal action will be taken. This included willing them to family members at your time of death. Can you amagine what that would do to the point creep if grandpa's point got to go their grandchildren. There have been lengthy discussion...
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    Elk management meeting today

    We will just have to disagree. We have to kill cows, and every one that I can kill during August and September is one that doesn't need to be killed post rut and on the winter range. The reason for tmy strong push to keep it either sex and not issue additional cow tags was that having to pay...
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    Elk management meeting today

    I suspect that it will be similar to what it has been in the past. Each of these programs have strong point for an against. But I don't see it changing much.
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    Elk management meeting today

    All I committed to when I took on this role was to listen. I never committed to agree. I read every email, answer most of them, and some I simply state that I disagree with the sender. I represent over a million people, hundreds of thousands of which are sportsman. The most common comment...
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    Elk management meeting today

    Sorry missed a point. I think most of the changes if any will now occur in 2024.
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    Elk management meeting today

    If your talking about early elk rifle tags. Utah hunts elk with a rifle during the rut more than any other state. I'm often asked to mange like other states. If my vote was for just Karl, then I would have wanted to move the early rifle elk hunt completely into mid October. That would have...
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    Elk management meeting today

    I don't disagree, but fair to who is always the question. I don't like where long range rifles are going. I hearing there was a bull killed at 1900 yards this year. The factor with muzzleloaders for me was more tags and better odds of drawing, and potentially adding more hunting...
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    Elk management meeting today

    I don't disagree, but there are so many factors to consider. I build cow elk tags to mentor my grand kids. I have not intention of killing one myself. But I have an archery tag every year for something. Just a lot of factors to consider and I usually side on giving options.
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    Elk management meeting today

    I don't personally thing that archery equipment needs to be restricted. But we are our own worse enemies. I watched a group of archers sighting in a slider sight for 120 yards. These guys couldn't even hold a group at 40 yards. There is also a story going around about an archery sheep hunt...
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    Elk management meeting today

    The 600 harvested cows was my comment. I may not have presented that well. I then followed with 2000 archers to harvest those 600 cows. with a 30% harvest rate. Lets make it even larger 3000 cow archery tags against 47000 cow permit applications would do nothing for point creep. Everyone...
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    Elk management meeting today

    Another thing with regards to committees. Committee members agree to support the committee majority recommendation regardless of their own position. I know people that have left the first night because they wanted to fight against how they thought the committee would vote. Happened a bunch on...
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    Elk management meeting today

    Currently the board has no say on who is selected for a committee. The State does that on purpose. Our bite at the apple comes later. There is a board member but again the State picks that person. In a previous life I oversaw multiple committees. I never recommended anyone that just sent me...
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    Elk management meeting today

    I'm hearing about an elk killed this year at 1900 yards. So any weapon hunts pose there own problems. I don't know what the recommendation on muzzy scopes will be. My initial thoughts were if we could reduce success, more tags could be issued, better drawing odds, maybe and its a big maybe...
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    Elk management meeting today

    This spring, at the very least get on the website and express your position. I read every email, and public comment. I know that most of the board members do the same. If you can reach out to the RAC members it helps also. People say that we don't listen. But for every person expressing a...
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    Elk management meeting today

    The three positions that people express are no sights, 4X, and leave it alone. The issue is more complicated than equipment. No sights would equal more tags, more tags is more crowding but better draw odds. Leave it alone is what people are comfortable with, and they like the time of year and...
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    Elk management meeting today

    In the meeting I asked about the spike hunt multi season tags for the same reasons you mentioned. My impression was I wouldn't get a second to a motion and the love hate reationship Utah hunters have with multi season elk tags is about split. I decided not to push the issue.
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