12A West Early Hunt

[obsessed]

Hello Everyone as my name implies I'm obsessed with shooting a deer like the one pictured. I actually found those antlers on a dead deer in Arizona Unit 16B, Ive got at least 100 hours of glass in that unit since and never seen anything like him. Im 60 years old and been a spike shooting meat hunter the last 7-8 years. Im going to start putting in for the EARLY 12A West hunt. Are deer that size doable with a good guide in that early hunt or am i wasting my time and hopes,

I can hire a guide only once in my life,. Are there any other units in Arizona that could give up a deer like him that I could draw easier and get a good guide to help. If so shoot me Names and units in a PM, Just a rough estimate measure he is in the area of 180 gross

 

[Tmac]

Ask a guide. Clay Buddy, Arizona Strip Guides, Shadow Valley Outfitters, A3, Highpoint Outfitters and some names that come to mind.

 

[yotebuster17]

Points? Res or NR?

 

[obsessed]

Im a resident but no points.

 

[obsessed]

I dont have 20 years to wait for a Kaibab late or Strip tag

 

[diablo]

Possible? Yes, but fairly low odds you’ll kill a buck like that in 12a or b early, IMO. I’ve hunted 12bw late and 13a late. Good bucks are tough to find these days. And with no points, it will be a years….

 

[Joe2Kool]

The 12a October hunt took 12 res points to draw last year. There are always the random tags though. Good luck!

 

[obsessed]

RANDOM TAG BABY!!!! Even on this forum guys have LATE or Strip tags with 2 or 3 points.

 

[obsessed]

So scrap the North what unit and outfitter would give me best odds in the rest of Arizona???? Remember that rack came from 16A

 

[Joe2Kool]

I don't have any experience in those units, or any others in AZ. I just know how to read TopRut and draw odds!

I've got elk and muley points tho. Have to cash them in sometime!

 

[elkassassin]

Buddy?

Or Bundy?

Ask a guide. Clay Buddy, Arizona Strip Guides, Shadow Valley Outfitters, A3, Highpoint Outfitters and some names that come to mind.

 

[Tmac]

Buddy?

Or Bundy?

Bundy. Keeps auto correcting to buddy.

 

[wstrntines]

Hello Everyone as my name implies I'm obsessed with shooting a deer like the one pictured. I actually found those antlers on a dead deer in Arizona Unit 16B, Ive got at least 100 hours of glass in that unit since and never seen anything like him. Im 60 years old and been a spike shooting meat hunter the last 7-8 years. Im going to start putting in for the EARLY 12A West hunt. Are deer that size doable with a good guide in that early hunt or am i wasting my time and hopes,

I can hire a guide only once in my life,. Are there any other units in Arizona that could give up a deer like him that I could draw easier and get a good guide to help. If so shoot me Names and units in a PM, Just a rough estimate measure he is in the area of 180 gross

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Exclusive pursuit outfitters kills some pretty big bucks on lesser units. Duane Adam’s kills good bucks too. He might be able to put you on an early buck that’s pretty good.

 

[AZGuy]

Exclusive pursuit outfitters kills some pretty big bucks on lesser units. Duane Adam’s kills good bucks too. He might be able to put you on an early buck that’s pretty good.

Didn’t Adams have his guides license revoked?

 

[diablo]

Didn’t Adams have his guides license revoked?

 

[wstrntines]

Didn’t Adams have his guides license revoked?

I don’t know that. Very well could have but I’m not sure. To the OP if you are on instagram look up Craig Steele he produces great results.

 

[windtalker]

Adams retired, either his son or son-in -law now run the business. they picked up where Mr. Adams left off. I think he still goes to the camps.

 

[BrowningRage]

60 years old? No points? You'll be in for a long wait for a tag. Random tags usually have less than 1% draw odds, but you can hope.

Maybe spend your money on some kind of private land hunt? I don't know what that looks like in AZ, but maybe you go to CO (landowner tag) or UT (CWMU)... 180" bucks aren't common anywhere though... Good luck!!

 

[diablo]

Adams retired, either his son or son-in -law now run the business. they picked up where Mr. Adams left off. I think he still goes to the camps.

Yeah….theres more to the story than that…..

 

[obsessed]

Exclusive pursuit outfitters looks really good. Cant find Craig Steele yet

 

[obsessed]

Just found out they are the same Steele is EPO I think Im going to give them a try

 

[wstrntines]

Just found out they are the same Steele is EPO I think Im going to give them a try

Craig is a great dude from everything I’ve seen. Super dedicated and very knowledgeable on deer, elk and pronghorn.

 

[backcountrybutcher]

bucks like that are killed every year, on every unit and season on the Kaibab. They may be few and far between, but the genetics are present and you may get lucky.

 

[Skidmore]

Yeah….theres more to the story than that…..

His son n law Nick runs the operation, good guy .

 

[Joe2Kool]

I perused some of my notes (both good and bad) and old posts on here about various AZ outfitters. Before you choose, do an internet search of them and poaching. And then ask them if they or anyone on their staff have poaching accusations or convictions.

Then make your decision.

 

[AZGuy]

I don’t know that. Very well could have but I’m not sure. To the OP if you are on instagram look up Craig Steele he produces great results.

Looks like that’s what forced him into retirmet. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/arizona-deer-outfitter.271859/page-2

 

[Calbuck]

I perused some of my notes (both good and bad) and old posts on here about various AZ outfitters. Before you choose, do an internet search of them and poaching. And then ask them if they or anyone on their staff have poaching accusations or convictions.

Then make your decision.

I’m sure they will readily admit to it.

 

[Skidmore]

I don't have any experience in those units, or any others in AZ. I just know how to read TopRut and draw odds!

I've got elk and muley points tho. Have to cash them in sometime!

Are those top rut draw odds that accurate ?

 

[Tinyturtle]

Honestly you can kill a great deer in most units especially if you have a guide. I've seen bucks in the 170+ on almost every general hunt. Only able to wrap my tag around one of them though

 

[Joe2Kool]

I’m sure they will readily admit to it.

If they say no, and you've found info online, then you know they are lying, and it's time to move on. If they say yes, but that guide is no longer with us, or the ownership has changed since then, then you have to make your own decision.

 

[Joe2Kool]

Are those top rut draw odds that accurate ?

When I have compared them to the state reported numbers, they are correct. Depending on how the state data is reported, it can sometimes be difficult to tell within a point. For example, the state report may show that people with 10 points drew, but it may not report how many with 10 points didn't draw.

TopRut may say it took 11 points to draw, which it did take 11 points to be sure you would draw, but some people drew with 10. Make sense?

Another example is some states allow point averaging.

So bottom line, yes, they are accurate. The TR #s come from the state reported data.

 

[longranger]

Adams retired, either his son or son-in -law now run the business. they picked up where Mr. Adams left off. I think he still goes to the camps.

He retired when his hunting and guide licenses were revoked lol. He didn't just ride off into the sunset and turn things over to the kids.

 

[rockymtnhunter]

Interesting advice/discussion, I sent you a PM, I'll share info/perspective with you based on my Kaibab experience

/s/ rockymtnhunter