A Time For Choosing

Boskee

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here's an article that pretty well sums up where we as a country stand today. You as a voter have to make a choice on which path your nation takes. make sure you listen to the 2 link's in this article and see where they want to take you. Nothing going on with the riots, destruction, release of criminals isn't calculated to create havoc and civil unrest. When they're making speeches calling for the radical changes to your country and their candidate proclaiming he'll transform your nation it's time to believe them.

The tearing apart of this nation and it's values is being done to set the stage for change..........and if you oppose them they'll cancel you out.......and shame you worse for all the crimes you committed because of the color of your skin........kneel before them to show your acceptance to their power........then realize the most important facet of this whole false narrative a minority is being empowered to do this.....where's the equality in that? What about your right's?

See how the binds of socialism were at work long ago and now we're facing their evils today as they grown more empowered to transform your nation. They're campaigning on tearing our nation apart and empowering their supporters to do it before your eyes..............our laws and constitution don't matter to them as proven by their disregard for them.....It's your time to choose are you up to preserving your nation or empowering the lawless cabal to dissolve your nation and take away your control?

 
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Amen....and all those never Trumpers can pat themselves on the back while standing in line for the guillotine.....

After helping defeat Trump, Do those righteous "conservatives" really believe they'll get a seat at the table and be spared????

Way too many of us have our heads in the sand about what is really going on with the far left.....
 
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Their only chance to succeed is based on everyone's sense for the rule of law.

Only the foolish will believe that the change was brought on by honoring the legislative process.

Only a coward holds steadfast to arrogant self righteous principles that the lesser of two evils is not good enough and voting third party (splitting votes) is a sophomric action that only the adolescent minded do. These people clearly do not understand what a "prisoners dilemma" is.
 
Their only chance to succeed is based on everyone's sense for the rule of law.

Only the foolish will believe that the change was brought on by honoring the legislative process.

Only a coward holds steadfast to arrogant self righteous principles that the lesser of two evils is not good enough and voting third party (splitting votes) is a sophomric action that only the adolescent minded do. These people clearly do not understand what a "prisoners dilemma" is.

So you believe having a choice forced upon you by a party is what freedom looks like? That is not only a sad commentary on how far we have fallen from our Representative Republic the Founder's envisioned but also allows the elite in on both sides to offer us a choice of either gonorrhea or syphilis.

Nemont
 
So you believe having a choice forced upon you by a party is what freedom looks like? That is not only a sad commentary on how far we have fallen from our Representative Republic the Founder's envisioned but also allows the elite in on both sides to offer us a choice of either gonorrhea or syphilis.

Nemont

Case in point.
 
Boskee I've listened to that speech a dozen times or more in my life. The more things change........
 
So you believe having a choice forced upon you by a party is what freedom looks like? That is not only a sad commentary on how far we have fallen from our Representative Republic the Founder's envisioned but also allows the elite in on both sides to offer us a choice of either gonorrhea or syphilis.

Nemont


I can remember you telling me there's no way we can elect a true conservative. Seems to me what we then need to do is elect the closest thing to it, with what's available, until enough people see the light and we can elect a true conservative. Throwing your vote at a third candidate that has no chance of winning, possibly enabling the least conservative candidate (a biden) to win, is a fools errand. Claiming you sleep soundly with your decision, is a self righteous attitude that will negatively impact your grandchildren. But you do you I guess......
 
I can remember you telling me there's no way we can elect a true conservative. Seems to me what we then need to do is elect the closest thing to it, with what's available, until enough people see the light and we can elect a true conservative. Throwing your vote at a third candidate that has no chance of winning, possibly enabling the least conservative candidate (a biden) to win, is a fools errand. Claiming you sleep soundly with your decision, is a self righteous attitude that will negatively impact your grandchildren. But you do you I guess......

He's affecting my grandchildren as well and I will jealously defend their interests, safety, and wellbeing.

And they're not even born yet.
 
Nemont's hatred for Trump runs deep but he's wise enough to know the dems are crooked as hell. So he's hoping that some on here fall for his ruse based on them not being able to accept Trumps behavior and principles, and vote third party to damage Trump. That way you're making a moral decision that is baseless and foolish since it's wasting your vote voting for a straw man candidate. It's the oldest ruse in politics and done in many elections where they know they can hurt a candidate they fear is stronger. That's exactly what they do in CA. to get only dems on the ballots since they got the higher totals of votes even with GOP candidates in the race. No two party system there, in many races because they dilute the vote and those with higher vote totals go on final ballot.

Based on the recent Supreme court ruling in most states the guy that wins the popular votes wins the states electoral votes. So casting your vote to the wind can benefit the wrong guy if they win the popular vote and it's been done for decades to affect the outcomes of the election.

So boys don't fall for it, if you value the America you grew up in. What's on full display by the democrat party is just a snap shot of what they've got planned for your nation once they get into power. You think the squads UNOPPOSED BREATHE BILL is in your best interest? No sane politician would ever propose that bill in this country let alone any political party not seeking to transform your country. Why aren't the dems old guard opposing it? There's a lot on money at work behind the scenes to effect change in your country and using civil unrest is a powerful tool in the process. Then we have the complicit media backing the actions as a more moralistic choice and a way to balance the scales from an oppressive majority who are racists and privileged and need to repent for their sins.

The real ruse in all this is it will be done WITHOUT your approval once they get into power. Think not how many thousands of laws and bills have been passed w/o your approval? Did any of you approve the lawlessness we're seeing across America? Did any of you approve the looting of stores and the beating innocent victims? Did any of you approve your elected officials ordering the police to stand down? Did any of you approve the statues being pulled own and destruction of property? Do any of you think abolishing the police is wise? Did any of you approve the doing away with bail and automatic release statutes for criminals? Did any of you approve voting by illegal voters being counted in an election? Seems to me many things enacting NEGATIVE change are going on right now and that's just a glimpse of what they have planned. The progressive's are hard at work taking you and your family to totalitarianism and their socialist ideology on control.

Think not, when have you seen elected officials condoning lawless anarchy on the streets of your country on such a massive scale? If we don't stop their progression in it's tracks in November what's going on will look like tame compared to how the socialist's will enact new laws on you and your family to place the state in control of your future and every single cent you make for the rest of your life with their increased taxation and insatiable appetite to control every facet of your life.

The freedoms you've enjoyed will be nothing more than a passing thought of how things used to be and an exercise in reflecting on how we let our destiny slip from our control to theirs and with it our rights, freedom and liberty in the process. That will be a question that will haunt most of us since we allowed it on our watch. If you bought what they're selling you only have yourself to blame for your ignorance and gullibility since you sold out all that we held most dear for a failed ideology based on deception and lies rather then being able to see thru the illusion they sold you. If you vote for them you not only betrayed your country, you betrayed your family and fellow Americans and that right there is on you not us...........we will vote to save the republic not abolish it...........

Trump & the GOP is not the party of Marxist's, socialist's, rioters, oppression, race shaming, or destruction and transformation, his party is about preserving America, it's laws and the Constitution and your freedom and your right's just like the founder's intended. It's the most consequential election on your lifetime and it's about peace and tranquility or upheaval and forced UNKNOWN transformation, weigh your choices well.
 
Power? Where does that power come from?
Certainly not God. They bleed as red as everyone else.

The successful execution of their plan hinges on everyone's sense for the rule of law. They would fully expect everyone to roll with it because we're supposed to "obey" the law.

When they "pass" legislation by fiat assembly, their new laws have no validity. Only a fool would accept their agenda.
 
At least NeMont has a name to write in.

Kanye West Says He’s Done With Trump—Opens Up About White House Bid, Damaging Biden And Everything In Between
Sweet! We got a good ‘ol boy from Wyoming In the race now!
 
It's pretty simple for me. With Trump, I have my guns, with Biden I don't. Once we lose our guns, we've lost everything.

Easy there Francis. That’s been said about every democrat president in my lifetime. Even some of the most controlled (ie form 4 stuff) firearms/accessories have never been easier to buy. You can buy a suppressor online, and have it in your hands after 2 short interactions. One with a kiosk, another when you pick it up. Granted, it takes forever, but its easy. Other than the current run on inventory, buying a gun is an incredibly easy process. Easy to do without a background check for those who like to beat on their wife or whatever makes it hard for them to go through the simple process. As much as everyone likes to think that every democrat wants every gun are mistaken. The noise in pandering to that part of the base. There have been plenty of opportunities to make a big push (Obama’s first two years), but they know they can’t do much without paying the price politically. Remember how fast Beto’s political career ended over his comment? That idiot will never get elected in anything but a VERY progressive district again. There are a lot more gun owners on the left than you think, and many of them live in swing states.
 
For those not paying attention, the democrat party leadership has gone full blown Marxist. If elected Biden said Beto will be his point man on gun control. Biden has embraced just about all of Bernie Sanders policies after the Dems soundly rejected Sanders in favor of the "moderate" Biden. The recent bartender AOC is on Biden's climate change task force. If you're a moderate democrat or even a liberal democrat you might want to open your eyes as to what Dem. leadership has in store for you, I don't think you will like it.
 
Easy there Francis. That’s been said about every democrat president in my lifetime. Even some of the most controlled (ie form 4 stuff) firearms/accessories have never been easier to buy. You can buy a suppressor online, and have it in your hands after 2 short interactions. One with a kiosk, another when you pick it up. Granted, it takes forever, but its easy. Other than the current run on inventory, buying a gun is an incredibly easy process. Easy to do without a background check for those who like to beat on their wife or whatever makes it hard for them to go through the simple process. As much as everyone likes to think that every democrat wants every gun are mistaken. The noise in pandering to that part of the base. There have been plenty of opportunities to make a big push (Obama’s first two years), but they know they can’t do much without paying the price politically. Remember how fast Beto’s political career ended over his comment? That idiot will never get elected in anything but a VERY progressive district again. There are a lot more gun owners on the left than you think, and many of them live in swing states.

I take it you know the firearm restrictions here in CA? Look it up when you have time. If you let these Dems have their way you can bet firearms restrictions will be the same as CA or worse.

Gavin Newsom will run for president one day and he will succeed. Just wait and see what he'll do with gun laws.
 
California does a lot of dumb **** that isn’t my problem. Their gun laws are heavy handed, for sure. Democrats don’t want to actually take away guns any more than republicans actually want to overturn roe v wade. Those two wedge issues are far too important to them to lose them as leverage on voting blocks. Heck, take the top 4 or 5 wedge issues away, and all of sudden people will start to notice that both parties are are screwing everyone.
 
California does a lot of dumb **** that isn’t my problem. Their gun laws are heavy handed, for sure. Democrats don’t want to actually take away guns
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If you believe that, you are the biggest fool on this forum. You also better worry about those liberal Democrats moving to your state as they will vote Democrat even after Democrats ran then out of this state over high taxes and fees that they could not afford at retirement.
RELH
 
sam while i admire your logic having worked in the gun business I can tell you from manufacturing them that the dems have always coveted taking all our guns away. If you go back and research the Clintons a bit you'd be amazed at all the little devious plans they had to constrict the gun owning public. Sure they found out it was political suicide when they tried to do it several times in the past but don't under estimate their resolve. CA is a launch pad for many things they decide to try to pass on a national level just like NY and other liberal strongholds. You live in a western state and as such cater to hunters but when the blue wave descends upon you things will change just like it did in Colorado.

Hunting will be one of the cancel cultures main objectives and look at how many big companies fear them and write big fat checks today. Then we had Obama frowning upon big banks funding firearms manufacturers which made things more difficult to supply financing to build them. Then we had the mysterious fast and furious boondoggle for what? Selling guns to cartels to take into Mexico to kill civilians without the Mexican governments permission? Then we have the orchestrated effort to sue them out of existence for liability issues. There's reason why they're leaving and moving to Wyoming like Weatherby and a few other custom builders.

Keep thinking the good thoughts about guns not being a target but I can tell you there's not a democratic platform in the last 30 years where it hasn't been an unmentioned focus objective of the party, They don't publicly admit it yet they will seize the opportunity if they can by setting legal precedence taking things as they go until they have enough case law to pull it off. That camels had it's nose under the tent for decades just waiting for the right circumstance to sway public opinion in their favor......The younger generation holds the keys to the vault for them on this since it's been shunned in school for decades.

When they're still talking about serializing ammunition and reloading components to make them much more expensive it's not being done to make things more available. They confiscated guns in New Zealand and they've been gone in many European countries for decades it's not out of the realm of possibility in this country it's just more difficult for them to pull it off.

Mr Trump has tried to make things easier in many regards but they're fighting him tooth and nail. The silencer issue has benefited from some of his actions but it should be easier and if reelected might be after his next term........god willing and no new impeachment proceeding surface in the dems basement before November. :^) Yes we have a constitution but now that the house dems can vote by proxy one can only wonder what awaits us if they get the senate too.........let alone the Presidency. Just a little more perspective on the issue that shows while difficult it's hardly dead as far as they're concerned.
 
Wyosam I am going to tell you just how deceitful the Democrats are about one day taking away your guns.

When Bill Clinton was in office and anti gun Janet Reno was his attorney General they had the head of ATF go before Congress and requested the right to make all FFL license holders turn in their 4473 forms when they go out of business. These are the forms you fill out at time of purchase of a firearm.

The NRA objected to this and accused the ATF of trying to compile a registration list of firearm owners in the event of confiscation at a later date. The ATF supervisor told Congress that this was not the case of compiling a registration list. They only wanted to double check the forms for legal sales and would destroy the forms after 30 days to review them. Congress gave them the go ahead to do it based on that information the forms would be destroyed after 30 days and the forms not be entered into a central computer list of gun owners.

In 2002 I investigated a major burglary where the victim's gun safe and guns inside the safe were stolen at his place of business. He had about $10,000 worth of guns in the safe. He was unable to provide me with the a description of the guns and serial numbers, as his list of guns with that information was also inside the safe and stolen.
I asked him what dealer did he buy any guns from so I could contact that dealer and go over his 4473 forms to get make, model, caliber and serial number so I could list his stolen firearms in the crime information computer.
He advise that he bought his last 4 guns from a local dealer, but that dealer had retired and went out of business two years ago. After all those years in law enforcement I learned you could not trust the federal government agencies to be honest.

I placed a call to the ATF headquarters and got hold of a sweet lady that had the most beautiful southern accent you ever heard.
I explained my problem to her and she requested the my victim's name, date of birth, and address at time of the gun purchase. I gave her the information and she advised me that she had 4 of the 4473 forms in the computer for my victim that he had purchased from the dealer who had went out of business and submitted his 4473 forms to ATF as directed by them.
She faxed my office copies of the 4 forms and I was able to list those guns as being stolen property in our state DOJ computer and the federal NCIC computer.
In other words that ATF supervisor flat out lied to Congress as their plan was to compile a list of gun owners. I will leave it you why they would want that list.
RELH
 
Democrats don’t want to actually take away guns any more than republicans actually want to overturn roe v wade.

Not sure how wrong you realize you are. When they ask questions like "why do you need a 30 round clip to kill a deer" tells us they don't believe you need anything of the sort. When they ask "nobody needs military grade assault weapons" tells us they don't believe you need anything of the sort. It goes on and on with collapsible stocks, thread ended barrels (for muzzlebreaks), and anything that holds more than 5 rounds.

To them, ANY semi-automatic is an assault weapon. The rhetoric they spew is testing the waters to find out what they think the public opinion about it is. To them, those who elect them to office, are of the opinion that no body needs to own anything other than one standard 4 round top feed blind magazine bolt action "hunting" rifle. The push they have to greatly reduce firearms tells us they are afraid the citizenry has them. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.

The USA is a free country because it's colonial citizens (at one time) had access to military grade weapons, aka, a muzzleloader, instead of just swords, spears, and shields.

And the crown made it illegal for colonists to have a firearm during the occupation of 1775 - 1783. What does that tell you?
 
Oh and those dems you think aren't after our guns......Clinton enacted the first gun ban in modern history that Bush had to overturn........Take a look at how their definitions of guns they want banned has expanded over the years to include many semi auto weapons other than just AR's.......just saying..... they even campaigned on taking them so I'd think it's still a hot topic for them. Biden even went so far as to say he;ll appoint Beto ( like others mentioned) the guy you claimed career was over to head up his gun legislation program..........sorry sam but the proof is there........... transformation takes on many forms when the liberal agenda is at work just like banning/ defunding the cops and giving the vote to jailed felons suddenly seems to matter........so it's not just fear mongering it's being informed and given the number of recent bills enacted in blue states to restrict them well founded. People wouldn't be passing gun sanctuary laws if it wasn't an issue........FYI
 
And does anyone think that Biden won't turn our Second Amendment rights over to the UN like Obama did. President Trump saved us there. As for buying a gun being an easy process, I'm old enough to remember when it WAS easy, bought my 300 wm at J. C. Penney, bought my 270 at K-Mart. Walked in, picked my weapon, put down the cash, and walked out. President Trump isn't perfect, he doesn't need to be, he just needs to look out for my interests better than Biden will and that's a slam dunk.
 
Biden has been in congress for how long? Biden was VP too? And he has a plan to fix our issues that have been going on for how long? What has he been doing in DC and as an elected "official" all this time? Has he not had fair opportunity to address these issues? How about Biden's democratic colleagues over the past several decades? Actions or lack there of speak louder than words? Liberal actions and support for societal disruption are very clear. Same can be said about Trump. Yup Trumps actions are very clear and I don't much care for some of them same can be said about his tweeting. However try and deny he has not demonstrated that he is not for the USA. Democrats are the party of USA destruction wanting the NEW WORLD ORDER or whatever ya yanna call it. Why do Hong Kong protesters carry the USA flag? Liberty... Which is under attack here now. Democrats want to remove our liberty's PERIOD ! ! !
 
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DW,

Can you explain how Trump is "more" conservative than any Democrat? Seems like I can find almost zero conservative issues Trump is willing to stand up for when push comes to shove.

Care to list the winning conservative issues before us which the President has declared a red line to cross?

I know if I post up on what our debt is the Trump is the greatest ever crowd will whine that he had no choice but to print money and borrow it from the FED is a self dealing pyramid scheme.

How is that conservative Supreme Court working out?

That wall isn't being built. The ACA is still law of the land. Our Debt and deficit is exploding, our dollar is going to go the way of British Pound. China is emboldened instead of diminished. Russia is running circles around us in many cases. North Korea is not falling for the Trump love fest again.

Now do I believe Biden is "better"? Nope not at all, I just don't buy your claim Trump is conservative on any issue, he has no core values that point to anything as him being a conservative on any issue he believes he can make a deal on.

I also know on this forum that if you don't believe the only keeping us a viable country is Trump and only he is appointed by God to keep our Republic then you are considered bent wrist liberal. Anyone who claims they are conservative and is 100% in on Trump as their guy either isn't a true believer in conservative values and issues or simply doesn't care about what actually has happened to conservatism in the age of Trump.

But keep believing that the only choice free people have for their leaders is the two put forth by the main parties. As long as you accept that, you deserve what happens.

Nemont
 
So nemont....your end of the boat isn’t going to sink with the rest of us?
Did I say that?

Can you answer the question about whether you believe the President is a conservative and has governed using conservative ideas as his guide? If so please list.

Nemont
 
Trump is a conservative because he protects the constitution freedom of religion, right to bare arms, pro life,fair and law abiding immigration, protect our borders from drugs, disease, sex trafficking, etc.
Trump is for local control and less government regulation, fair and free trade.
Yes trump needed to do a stimulus package to help with the pandemic. He will get the economy back going. Do you really think Biden will solve any problems. He will be lucky if he can fix his own cold cereal in the mornings.
Biden, AOC, and the dems are for the opposite.
 
Let me be clear, I won't vote for Biden because he would be a lousy president. So try to stop making an argument that I think Biden would be "better" because I don't.

The right to "bare" arms, can you spell out exactly what Trump has done to expand gun rights?

Abortions are just as numerous and legal as they were prior to 2016.

He isn't for local control when it comes to school reopening.

Name a win in the trade war that has happened.

He said he supports and will take care of the dreamers. DACA still stands

Almost zero of his border wall has been built and he blinked first when it came to a show down over funding it.

I get it that Biden sucks, seems like that is forum wide opinion. Please list the actual conservative ideals that guide this president, not platitudes.

Nemont
 
Well, he cut taxes, built 200 miles of wall so far, appointed 200 federal judges including making the 9th circuit more conservative, he made NATO countries squirm to pay $400 billion a year more. Other than that he is just like old Pelosi.
 
Well, he cut taxes, built 200 miles of wall so far, appointed 200 federal judges including making the 9th circuit more conservative, he made NATO countries squirm to pay $400 billion a year more. Other than that he is just like old Pelosi.

Glen are you certain about all of those?

The border wall claim is kind of fuzzy math but hey if you believe it enough.

He did cut taxes and what happened to the budget?

Look at the actual NATO budget and one would find that it is nowhere near the claim but don't let facts get in the way of the narrative.


The largest increase is because the US increase defense spending.

The appointment of judges with life time terms is going to be his one accomplishment that will last longer than his spray tan.

Nemont
 
Maybe someday someone will run on the concept of passing a balanced budget and make it permanent if elected. Be nice if as well if the former administration including creepy Joe, didn't abuse it's power and weaponize & corrupt the highest levels of the intelligence community, cia, fbi, doj & state dept. to go after the opposition party. Maybe the Dems will reimburse the taxpayers for the untold millions they spent leading up to the election of 2016 in their efforts to go after Trump and setting him up for the fake Russia hoax. Maybe they will reimburse the taxpayers for the millions required for the subsequent fake Mueller investigation, fake impeachment and all that entailed. You'd think that might make some voters angry at what they put the country through for the last 3 1/2 yrs? If my aunt had balls....
 
As usual wyosam is full of B.S. It is a miracle that Trump has been able to do this with a anti gun Democrat majority in the House.

RELH
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President Donald Trump this week said his administration has done “much more than most” to curb mass shootings in the United States.

While Trump boasts of action on firearms, his administration has eased gun restrictions over the past 2½ years.

Federal agencies have implemented more than half a dozen policy changes — primarily through little-noticed regulatory moves — that expand access to guns by lifting firearms bans in certain locations and limiting the names in the national database designed to keep firearms away from dangerous people. The administration asked the Supreme Court to overturn New York City restrictions on transporting handguns outside homes. And it pushed to allow U.S. gunmakers to more easily sell firearms overseas, including the types used in mass shootings.

“This president has in a very intentional, sweeping way made it easier for people to access firearms, not more difficult,” said Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.), a vice chairman of the House Gun Violence Prevention Task Force. “He’s systematically gone and undone all the protections that were put in place to try to limit the ability of dangerous people to access firearms.”

Trump’s critics say they aren’t surprised by his actions after he received an early and strong endorsement from the National Rifle Association, which spent $30 million to help his 2016 campaign and to blast his Democratic opponent in TV ads. After he was sworn into office, Trump vowed repeatedly to repay gun owners for their support.
 
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DW,

Can you explain how Trump is "more" conservative than any Democrat? Seems like I can find almost zero conservative issues Trump is willing to stand up for when push comes to shove.

Care to list the winning conservative issues before us which the President has declared a red line to cross?

I know if I post up on what our debt is the Trump is the greatest ever crowd will whine that he had no choice but to print money and borrow it from the FED is a self dealing pyramid scheme.

How is that conservative Supreme Court working out?

That wall isn't being built. The ACA is still law of the land. Our Debt and deficit is exploding, our dollar is going to go the way of British Pound. China is emboldened instead of diminished. Russia is running circles around us in many cases. North Korea is not falling for the Trump love fest again.

Now do I believe Biden is "better"? Nope not at all, I just don't buy your claim Trump is conservative on any issue, he has no core values that point to anything as him being a conservative on any issue he believes he can make a deal on.

I also know on this forum that if you don't believe the only keeping us a viable country is Trump and only he is appointed by God to keep our Republic then you are considered bent wrist liberal. Anyone who claims they are conservative and is 100% in on Trump as their guy either isn't a true believer in conservative values and issues or simply doesn't care about what actually has happened to conservatism in the age of Trump.

But keep believing that the only choice free people have for their leaders is the two put forth by the main parties. As long as you accept that, you deserve what happens.

Nemont

Nemont, we have gone over this on another post. I live near the border, in Las Cruces, NM. The wall IS BEING BUILT. if you believe it isn’t, you are a misinformed man. I could drive 30 minutes to an hour and take pictures. He has done a LOT of things that are conservative. You are so misinformed on all of it. Could you imagine if he wouldn’t have signed those funding bills that went to our deficit?! MSM would have pegged him as anti American. And all of you misinformed sheep would have went along with it. Do some actual research instead of coming on here and spewing absolute garbage.
 
How many miles of NEW wall has now been built? As of the beginning of this year, it was THREE MILES! And it took him three years to get that done, two of which he had the House and the Senate.

"On December 17, 2019, acting Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Mark Morgan stated that 93 miles of barriers had been built during the Trump administration; according to CBP, at least 90 miles of that replaced existing structures."

Here's some graphics showing each section...


And Trump's super duper wall can be cut through in under 5 minutes with the cordless angle grinder I have in my garage. Heck, that's even easier than hauling a ladder ?

I guess that's why they call him the Failure-In-Chief!
 
Nemont, we have gone over this on another post. I live near the border, in Las Cruces, NM. The wall IS BEING BUILT. if you believe it isn’t, you are a misinformed man. I could drive 30 minutes to an hour and take pictures. He has done a LOT of things that are conservative. You are so misinformed on all of it. Could you imagine if he wouldn’t have signed those funding bills that went to our deficit?! MSM would have pegged him as anti American. And all of you misinformed sheep would have went along with it. Do some actual research instead of coming on here and spewing absolute garbage.

I am beginning to think former conservatives on here have simply forgotten what being conservative actually means.

Here is how it works:

As a fiscal conservative, I am committed to working with my colleagues to cut spending and put our fiscal house in order. Congress does not have a blank check; it is vitally important that we balance the federal budget. I have great hope, under President Trump’s leadership, we can work to make this happen.

From the bottom of the same page:
Congressman Mike Conaway (TX-11) released the following statement after funding for the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) ran out:

“The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), a pivotal component of the CARES Act, has been a critical lifeline for small businesses across the nation as they struggle to keep the lights on. Approximately 88,000 Texas businesses have taken part in this program so far, and we’ve already saved an estimated 15 million jobs nationwide. However, we learned today that all funding for PPP has been exhausted, and no new loans will be offered unless Congress steps up and authorizes additional funds. Senate Democrats blocked these efforts to last week, and House Democrats are demanding their wish list of unrelated, ultra-liberal policies be included. Our small businesses don’t have time for these political games right now- it’s urgent that Congress comes together and pass additional PPP funding without delay.




Try doing this: what was the debt when Trump took office? What will it be at the end of his first term?

If you claim to be conservative but act more like Rep. Mike Conaway of TX, you ain't. All hat and no cattle.
 
It is being built. They just listen to cnn. Why don’t you come down here and take a look yourself?? And the debt?! Was that him or democrats closing EVERYTHING and crashing our economy? Took a “pandemic” to pile on to our debt. Before the pandemic and the relief packages to follow, our debt has gone up a little more than 2 trillion in 3 years. With more than half of that INTEREST from your buddy pal Obama. I’ve said this before, do some research, and it might open your eyes a little.
 
I heard 250 miles of wall is built as of today.
How much NEW wall? He's just renovating current structure (some of which is already falling down).




Do you really think if it was some great success story that Hannity wouldn't be standing in front of it every night? Do you really think Trump wouldn't be twatting pictures daily of the construction?

It's like Reagan said, "Trust, but verify." And Trump's Mexican-paid wall can't be verified... even by Trump who has shown a penchant for lying.
 
It is being built. They just listen to cnn. Why don’t you come down here and take a look yourself?? And the debt?! Was that him or democrats closing EVERYTHING and crashing our economy? Took a “pandemic” to pile on to our debt. Before the pandemic and the relief packages to follow, our debt has gone up a little more than 2 trillion in 3 years. With more than half of that INTEREST from your buddy pal Obama. I’ve said this before, do some research, and it might open your eyes a little.

You need to put down the crack pipe and go read what has happened to our debt even prior to COVID but you get an E for effort.

January 20, 2017
Debt was $19.9 Trillion

February 28, 2020 Prior to Covid Shut down
Debt was $23.5 Trillion.

$3.6 Trillion increase in what was claimed was a roaring economy, and that would make the tax cuts "pay for themselves".

When did the Dems took over the Senate? Also tell me which spending bill the President didn't sign into law? But if you want to believe Trump is the greatest conservative ever, have at it. I got some ocean front property over looking the Canadian border up here for sale.

Today the debt stands at $26.5 Trillion and another Trillion in the pipeline is coming and want to bet if the President will sign that as fast the money can be printed?

Nemont
 
Like I said, if he doesn’t sign those bills that congress passed, they would try to impeach him again. Every year, over half a trillion is added to the national debt due to interest on Obama policies. Even at 3.6 trillion, that’s 1.5 trillion in his three years before COVID. So, exactly like I said, almost half is interest. I didn’t go by feb, by the way. Went by year ending, just so you know...... but you can keep blaming him. I live forty miles from the border, so you can quote all your little sources you want, the same ones who said trump would never be elected, also said he was colluding with Russians, also said he committed crimes with Ukraine. I see it IN PERSON. do some research from an outlet that is not liberal, because we all know they only know how to provide false info. But, I’m done with this convo, because you two are exactly the same every time. Spout regurgitated bs from extremely liberal sources. Have fun with that. Live in your own little sheep.
 
$1,750,000,000 in Republican Coronavirus Bill for new FBI building. More big government Trump spending on the credit card he's giving to our grandkids to pay! Sickening!

I stand with the true conservatives like George Will and Charles Krauthammer who understand the liberal Democrat trust fund Billionaire from Manhattan is no true conservative and needs to get out to restore the Republican Party to it's once-great-glory before he ruins it forever.

He's to the GOP what SFW is to the Utah deer herd. He says he's saving it but he's done more damage that all the antis combined. If Trump gets reelected it could be generations to get the GOP back!
 
If you are referring to the GOP that we had under Bush, most voters may not want them back. Still not as bad for the country as the Democrat party is, as $1,750,000,000 is nothing but chump change to them.
RELH
 
Like I said, if he doesn’t sign those bills that congress passed, they would try to impeach him again. Every year, over half a trillion is added to the national debt due to interest on Obama policies. Even at 3.6 trillion, that’s 1.5 trillion in his three years before COVID. So, exactly like I said, almost half is interest. I didn’t go by feb, by the way. Went by year ending, just so you know...... but you can keep blaming him. I live forty miles from the border, so you can quote all your little sources you want, the same ones who said trump would never be elected, also said he was colluding with Russians, also said he committed crimes with Ukraine. I see it IN PERSON. do some research from an outlet that is not liberal, because we all know they only know how to provide false info. But, I’m done with this convo, because you two are exactly the same every time. Spout regurgitated bs from extremely liberal sources. Have fun with that. Live in your own little sheep.

How much interest will Trump's added debt cost the next president or do you think it is being borrowed at zero % interest?

Talk about regurgitated BS, look in the mirror and see where the orange spray tan has rubbed off.

Nemont
 
""It's like Reagan said, "Trust, but verify." And Trump's Mexican-paid wall can't be verified... even by Trump who has shown a penchant for lying.""

Elect Biden and his socialist handlers and Mexico WILL build the wall
 
Who here did not cash the $1,200 "stimulus" check? Thumbs up (y) or "like" for YES. Angry face :mad: for NO.
No answers yet. They talk a big game but take the money anyway. Talk is cheap, I guess; at least cheaper than $1200. I didn't qualify for the money, so no handouts for me.
 

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