Is that what I do, live my life in fear because I choose to have some common courtesy to those medical workers who are overwhelmed with patients suffering from this crap? They, along with the vulnerable in our society, are the ones affected most by COVID. My wearing a mask a few times a day is little burden compared to the burden put on them as this crap spreads like wildfire.Ask you nicely? Really?
This story I know to be absolutely true. All the other stories I have heard like this were in the media, and I don't trust much of what I see & hear from the media.
My nephew works in a Home Depot. Last week he had an elderly customer ask him to load his order of sheetrock.
Nephew was having a hard time getting enough air with the strenuous work so he pulled the mask below his nose. Customer got mad and started to yell at him for not wearing his mask properly. Nephew told him to take his complaint to store management.
Customer punched my nephew in the face!
Home Depot banned the customer and commended my nephew for holding his temper.
It would be one thing if they just nicely asked you to wear a mask.
People are losing their jobs, their businesses, their homes, their health care,,,,, everything they have worked their entire life to build. All because some people LIKE YOU FOUNDER, choose to live their life afraid, and they insist the rest of us be afraid too!
If things keep going the way they are, , , , , I hate to think where it will end.
No, I think that is the wrong decision. Schools must be left open for numerous reasons I won't go into all of them here. If you are vulnerable or have vulnerable people in your household then it is your responsibility to isolate. Yes we can try to be careful, wear masks in certain situations, wash our hands, and we all pretty much do. I'm not against that. For the most part it's been a choice and should remain a choice. However, kids need to go to school, people need to go to work. People can get together with their family people can go hunting in Wyoming and look for shed antlers. people can go camping in the mountains when and where they want. That is not the government's job to tell them what they can and can't do. Just because we have some people in this world that are blind we don't shut down all roads and movie theaters because they can't drive or go watch a movie.Agreed, it’s not the kids who end up really sick, it’s the parents and grandparents they bring in home to. In fact, I’d bet most kids probably don’t show any symptoms at all, so if the school has 37 active cases (kids who showed enough symptoms to even get tested) then there’s probably another 37+ kids who have it, but showing no symptoms, but who take it home.
I think it spreads like wildfire in high schools. It’ll be interesting to see how long my kids’ high school can remain open before they have to close it again.
Believe me, I want them in school. I don’t think they get much education at home, but if school is what is causing the huge increase since September, something has to be done if we run too low on beds and healthcare workers. No?
Who is "we"? mtmuleyThat's the thing, we don't care if you wear a mask, we don't demand that you don't wear a mask. See the difference?
No one is demanding you wear a mask. Medical workers are asking you to? What I can’t understand is why you’d give them the finger?That's the thing, we don't care if you wear a mask, we don't demand that you don't wear a mask. See the difference?
Well, unfortunately, I’m guessing the school my kids go to will be closed again soon. I’m fine with the rules the state has in place.No, I think that is the wrong decision. Schools must be left open for numerous reasons I won't go into all of them here. If you are vulnerable or have vulnerable people in your household then it is your responsibility to isolate. Yes we can try to be careful, wear masks in certain situations, wash our hands, and we all pretty much do. I'm not against that. For the most part it's been a choice and should remain a choice. However, kids need to go to school, people need to go to work. People can get together with their family people can go hunting in Wyoming and look for shed antlers. people can go camping in the mountains when and where they want. That is not the government's job to tell them what they can and can't do. Just because we have some people in this world that are blind we don't shut down all roads and movie theaters because they can't drive or go watch a movie.
I know that customer was out of line in putting hands on your nephew. Most call him afraid maybe he has a reason to be afraid for his life JUST maybe he is in that HIGH RISK group of death if he gets Covid. After having it myself I can relate to his point also.Gator, you missed my point completely! I agree, it would be a huge leap to assume that everyone that is wearing a mask in public is like that crazy customer. Obviously, thankfully, that is not true.
My point is that there are some people that are so afraid of this COVID, that they feel justified in punching a service provider that happens to not meet his standard. That seems like a much more dangerous behavior than not wearing a stupid mask!
There are a lot of people that are afraid to get on an airplane, so a lot of other people are now out of a job.
There are a lot of people that are afraid to go out to a restaurant, or a bar, or to the gym. Have you noticed how few people are still working at your bank? Your barber shop?
In Arizona, we are at about 10% testing positive, and 0.089% dying from this disease (see AZDHS and check these numbers yourself).
Last I heard, unemployment is around 8%.
Dang, sorry to hear that you and your wife had to deal with the crap. That had to be scary having your wife in the hospital.I'm 63 and in pretty darn good health (if you ask me). I had COVID 19 symptoms beginning on the 12th of November. I tested positive the next day and was very sick for almost a week. I'm still weak and tired. My immunocompromised wife also got it and ended up in the hospital. Thankfully she's better now. I'm worried about the increasing evidence of the long term effects of COVID 19. Look up COVID 19 long haul and see whether or not that gets your attention especially if someone you love has or will get it. Still think "its no worse than the good 'ol flu" ?? No one ever said that masking was a cure - all. No one ever said it would eliminate the spread. Real, you know, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE strongly suggests that masking (cloth mask, N 95, any kind) can help reduce the spread of the disease in many instances. So many people state things as fact (that are really just opinion) to justify their behavior. The people who say that mask wearers "live in fear" need to educate themselves. A mask won't protect you from others but it could protect them from you. If you knew that wearing a mask would even maybe help someone else would that make a difference to you ? It does to me. Is it really that big of a deal ? I'm happy to put up with a little inconvenience if theres even the slightest chance it could help you. I'm on the board of directors of a large hospital system and I can tell you the effect that this disease is having on our communities is horrible. Our health care workers and other essential folks put themselves and their families at risk each and every day. Don't we have an obligation to them to do anything reasonably possible to help? Even if the mask is just a sign of solidarity wouldn't you do it for them ? As a nation I fear that we've become cynical, disrespectful and uncompassionate. I truly hope that some of you will take a step back get the facts and do what you can to help us get out of this mess as soon as possible. Stay healthy and safe ! Chip
I'll wear a mask where I'm asked, won't where I'm not, enjoy Thanksgiving with my family, and go hunting with friends.
With all do respect, they said not to wear a mask on March so medical workers could stock pile them. Seems like a bit of a middle finger to public.No one is demanding you wear a mask. Medical workers are asking you to? What I can’t understand is why you’d give them the finger?
Tell me chipc, did the medical workers "ask you nicely" and let you make up your own mind, when you went to see wife in the hospital?I'm 63 and in pretty darn good health (if you ask me). I had COVID 19 symptoms beginning on the 12th of November. I tested positive the next day and was very sick for almost a week. I'm still weak and tired. My immunocompromised wife also got it and ended up in the hospital. Thankfully she's better now. I'm worried about the increasing evidence of the long term effects of COVID 19. Look up COVID 19 long haul and see whether or not that gets your attention especially if someone you love has or will get it. Still think "its no worse than the good 'ol flu" ?? No one ever said that masking was a cure - all. No one ever said it would eliminate the spread. Real, you know, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE strongly suggests that masking (cloth mask, N 95, any kind) can help reduce the spread of the disease in many instances. So many people state things as fact (that are really just opinion) to justify their behavior. The people who say that mask wearers "live in fear" need to educate themselves. A mask won't protect you from others but it could protect them from you. If you knew that wearing a mask would even maybe help someone else would that make a difference to you ? It does to me. Is it really that big of a deal ? I'm happy to put up with a little inconvenience if theres even the slightest chance it could help you. I'm on the board of directors of a large hospital system and I can tell you the effect that this disease is having on our communities is horrible. Our health care workers and other essential folks put themselves and their families at risk each and every day. Don't we have an obligation to them to do anything reasonably possible to help? Even if the mask is just a sign of solidarity wouldn't you do it for them ? As a nation I fear that we've become cynical, disrespectful and uncompassionate. I truly hope that some of you will take a step back get the facts and do what you can to help us get out of this mess as soon as possible. Stay healthy and safe ! Chip
Are you drinking? So now front line health workers are the bad guys? Would you really want to be in their shoes? Hospital shut downs?Tell me chipc, did the medical workers "ask you nicely" and let you make up your own mind, when you went to see wife in the hospital?
I didn't think so!
Oh, and one other question, are your health care workers still employed? COVID hasn't forced any shutdowns has it? What are the profit margins looking like these days?
We'll never know for sure but we rode in a car with an immediate family member who is a healthcare worker and tested positive a few days later.Glad You & Your Wife are Recovering chipc!
Do You know how you got it?
Even though the tone of your question doesn't beg a response I'll do so anyway - did they "ask me nicely" what ? I wasn't allowed to go in and be with my wife. How would you like that ? I understood why it was neccessary and I support that.Tell me chipc, did the medical workers "ask you nicely" and let you make up your own mind, when you went to see wife in the hospital?
I didn't think so!
Oh, and one other question, are your health care workers still employed? COVID hasn't forced any shutdowns has it? What are the profit margins looking like these days?
Please tell your wife thank you and god bless her for her service. She's entitled to her opinion and so are you. My definition of "caring" is being willing to make a minor sacrifice if there is any chance at all that it might help someone else.Now that the news media is using the health care workers as the new "if you are against masks you are heartless you don't care about health care workers". Founder do you get your talking points from CNN or is it more local KUTV 2News?
My wife is a RN Nurse and she has a strong opinion that masks work (different than mine) but she does not believe that others that chose not to wear masks are heartless and uncaring believe me we have discussed it at length.
Wow WHY WOULDN'T you wear a masking going into a MAJOR place that has the Virus along with alot of other things that could end your spouse life as you visit her.Tell me chipc, did the medical workers "ask you nicely" and let you make up your own mind, when you went to see wife in the hospital?
I didn't think so!
Oh, and one other question, are your health care workers still employed? COVID hasn't forced any shutdowns has it? What are the profit margins looking like these days?
I've also noticed that a lot of the people that are vocally against not wearing a mask are mean and rude towards those who choose to where a mask and feel like they are making a difference.
BINGO!So much misinformation that is spread by mouth
Gator,Wow WHY WOULDN'T you wear a masking going into a MAJOR place that has the Virus along with alot of other things that could end your spouse life as you visit her.
Elk I think your just mad at the world due to you job.
I remember a few months back when steel price sky rocketed it was all fun and games. Now looking at the whole picture it's not so rosey.
I'm sorry I agree with what you are saying until you bring up your retirement (twice) and I just can't help but say something. If you have worked 46 years and aren't prepared I'm sorry but that is your fault. Don't try to put it on anybody but yourself. We all have set backs and uncontrollable things in our life but at 64+ years old you should know that by now. Saying if you were four years younger you'd be living in your car right now you haven't been planning for retirement at all.Gator,
Yes, we all absolutely should where a mask while visiting any health care facility, or any facility where there are "at risk" people concentrated. That is just common sense, and I never suggested otherwise. But I would wager that if someone tried to enter such a facility without a mask, they wouldn't just "ask you nicely" to comply.
That is what set me off on this thread, and that is the point I have been trying to make. Most places do "ask nicely" for people to wear their masks. And most people do!
Unfortunately, some don't!
And that is THE problem.
Yes, I am angry. Not at the whole world, but at the people out there that don't give a damn about anyone that happens to have a different perspective than they have.
If nothing else, this thread has reminded me that most people just see the world the way they want to see it. No amount of logic, objectivity, or facts, are going to change their mind. To some extent, I am no different. But I will concede to a well documented argument, if it is presented respectfully, with credible information to back it up.
I have spent the last 30 years or so researching, analyzing, and correcting aircraft component defects. It teaches you to ignore your personal opinions, and focus only on the evidence. Not an easy thing to do effectively.
The COVID 19 pandemic has hit our household particularly hard. Not because my wife or I have come down with it. In that regard, we are both prepared to take our chances.
That is just life.
COVID 19 has drastically, & negatively, changed our lifestyle, and erased any plans we had for retirement.
Elkchaser
Just 1.Even though the tone of your question doesn't beg a response I'll do so anyway - did they "ask me nicely" what ? I wasn't allowed to go in and be with my wife. How would you like that ? I understood why it was neccessary and I support that.
Many healthcare employees were furloughed back in March but most have been called back. Thank goodness. We need them.
Profit margins are about 1/2 of what they once were. Most hospitals have postponed elective proceedures in order to save beds for COVID patients. Our hospital system (like most) is a community based non - profit. As such any "profits" are used to pay down debt, provide care free of charge to the indigent and those without insurance, upgrade facilities.
Any other questions ??
Well UtyoteKiller, I have no idea how old you are and I don't care. I can tell you that, in spite of the best preparations, life can be full of set backs. Some can be recovered from in just a few years. Others take much longer, and still others you never fully recover from. If you are very, very lucky, you will never learn that the hard way & you can continue to stick your nose into other peoples business.I'm sorry I agree with what you are saying until you bring up your retirement (twice) and I just can't help but say something. If you have worked 46 years and aren't prepared I'm sorry but that is your fault. Don't try to put it on anybody but yourself. We all have set backs and uncontrollable things in our life but at 64+ years old you should know that by now. Saying if you were four years younger you'd be living in your car right now you haven't been planning for retirement at all.
On both sides for sure. mtmuleyThere has been a complete lack of common sense with this whole thing.
Stop putting it out there for other people to stick their nose in then. I've seen it and lived it first hand. Won't hear me complaining about it. Hopefully you and your wife can pull through all this and have some semblance of the retirement you had envisioned.Well UtyoteKiller, I have no idea how old you are and I don't care. I can tell you that, in spite of the best preparations, life can be full of set backs. Some can be recovered from in just a few years. Others take much longer, and still others you never fully recover from. If you are very, very lucky, you will never learn that the hard way & you can continue to stick your nose into other peoples business.
There is an enormous misconception about wearing a mask.I would predict that most of us are wearing the "wrong mask"!
The impression I am getting is that most businesses, and public officials don't know, or care that there is a difference in the effectiveness of your mask.
The mask has become a symbol of compliance, not an effective tool to protect the public.
Clearly, the vast majority of us are wearing a mask when we are out in public, and yet the virus continues to spread.
WTF
Sounds a lot like the D party universal health care plan. People who won't do anything for themselves want everyone else to cater to them.I’m sure those who don’t wear masks and then show up at the hospital still expect someone to put themselves at risk to help them.
Covid party one night with no mask, at the hospital the next night wanting someone else to help them breathe.
Masks are so hard.
I mean no disrespect, but I feel like I need to correct the record on this post.There is an enormous misconception about wearing a mask.
Numerous "authorities" including CDC has stated the mask does not keep you from inhaling contaminated air, it is worn to catch and minimize tiny droplets of moisture that we emit when we speak and breath through our mouths. These moisture droplets are where the virus exists.
This is why there is no mandate on what type of mask we wear....even a bandana is as equally effective.....and ineffective at stopping the Covid-19 virus.
These masks, including the "N-95" do not seal tightly and close off entry or exit of the air we breath in and out.
The only thing that does that is a Scott Air Pack style of device.
I was in Safeway with my wife and she accidently went the wrong way down one isle. I reported her to a Safeway employee and said maybe he should call security. She hauled off and slugged me.I rebel as well! I didn’t stand on the dot like it said to. I left that store feeling like a real bad-a!! Ha ha
Walked the wrong way down a one way isle too!
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I think you’re probably right, but it’s not the politicians who are being hurt when people rebel and refuse to wear a mask. Again, it’s healthcare workers and the vulnerable in society.I feel there is more of a effort to fight the wearing of a mask due to the actions of certain politicians. You have a politician that mandates you must wear a mask and practice social distance. Then the next thing you see is that politician breaking his/her own mandate and attending social gatherings without masks and no social distance being maintained.
The fact that many of these politicians fail to set the example for all of us has caused problems on the citizens obeying their mandates of mask wearing and social distance.
I was taught that as a law enforcement officer to gain the trust and respect of the people required you to set a better example then that of the average citizen.
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I don’t think we can say that they’re not even slowing it down without knowing what it would look like if nobody wore masks. An increase in case and spread isn’t proof that measures being taken are not working.I can't argue they help, but they obviously aren't even slowing this thing down.
No doubt there are plenty of buttholes out there, but just because they don’t practice what they preach, doesn’t mean what they preach is not appropriate.There is so much hypocrisy and rules that make absolutely zero sense in this whole pandemic nightmare.
Bars having to close by 10pm, yet restaurants can stay open selling alcohol till 1am if they'd like?
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And China’s getting away with murder , or you all forgotten ?
If nobody had worn a mask from day one until now. The death rate would definitely be in the millions by now. 50 million people died from the spanish flu and that was during a time period where a lot less people were traveling.I don’t think we can say that they’re not even slowing it down without knowing what it would look like if nobody wore masks. An increase in case and spread isn’t proof that measures being taken are not working.
I personally think they do help. I believe if masks weren’t being worn, a whole more people would have been sick and dead. There’s plenty of science that shows masks do make a positive difference. The better quality mask, the more they help too.
I know. This really is my last year. I promise.You LIED Eel!
I caught it and have been wearing masks at work and in public, just trying to follow along whether I believe in them or not.Let's Do a Reality Check here Shall We?
You Can't Wear that .19 Cent Made in China POFT Mask every Minute of Your Life!
They've Claimed for a few Months Now the Virus is Airborne!
That Means You can get this Crap even if You're Isolated all alone on ALCATRAZ Island!
I Don't see how any of us are gonna be able to stay away from it in the Long Run!
But They Keep SKEERING Americans!
Instead of doing Something to make Americans PROUD Again!
I know. This really is my last year. I promise.
She's not worried about that. She gets a little upset when I bring home some home made cookies as a tip though. Especially if I tell her I'm not hungry for dinner.Hey Eel?
Did You Mention to Ms Eel How Cute The Gal Was You Had Out Back in the Tree's?
Hey Elk I just got of MM jail I got some catching up too do ?Hey 264!
Check some of My Earlier Posts!
I Have Mentioned China!
But Nobody Cares!
I'd Bet Ocho Ain't Wearing a Mask while Drinking His CROWN!
Hey Elk I just got of MM jail I got some catching up too do ?
Hey Elk I just got of MM jail I got some catching up too do ?
Shouldn't This Thread be in the Political Forum?
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JUDAS elk yer gonna get us all put in the hole!!!