BLAME IT ON TARDS!!!

Phew! I'm just glad they left Colorado out of this conversation. We're trying to find a way to pump it back over the hill for the front range, since the west Slope doesn't use all of our allotment!
 
Phew! I'm just glad they left Colorado out of this conversation. We're trying to find a way to pump it back over the hill for the front range, since the west Slope doesn't use all of our allotment!
Allocation? We got dust last year (depending on how Sr your water rights were).

This looks like a preemptive hit on the Lake Powell Pipeline, although it isn’t mentioned.

 
Sure hope Colorado finds a way to use more of our allotted 7.5 million acre feet and keep the water here. The lower basin states have written far more checks than their account can handle creating this shortage by over use.
 
Phew! I'm just glad they left Colorado out of this conversation. We're trying to find a way to pump it back over the hill for the front range, since the west Slope doesn't use all of our allotment!

Better ask the tribes downstream first. They own the water, the front range doesn't.
 
What? Is Utah spraying water on the coral dunes to keep the dust down as all those quads and side by sides cruise around? I knew it!!! (Really, Utah has a serious off-road issue, I've never seen so dang many people with quads- don't they like to use their legs??)

-Born In Utah, Raised in Wyoming, Living in AZ...
 
They Only Use Their Legs to get to their Quads!

What? Is Utah spraying water on the coral dunes to keep the dust down as all those quads and side by sides cruise around? I knew it!!! (Really, Utah has a serious off-road issue, I've never seen so dang many people with quads- don't they like to use their legs??)

-Born In Utah, Raised in Wyoming, Living in AZ...
 
Just read in my local rag that the state of Nv (read, Las Vegas) has a 1000 page "water plan" in the works. They were looking for public comment which we all know means that the plan is in the works. A few years back, So. Nv was looking to pipe water from the northern counties down to that socialist sh!t show. Methinks that plan was shelved for a couple of years, but is now being dusted off.
 
Just be patient. One of these days the headlines will be:

Can Utah and Colorado be sued for not controlling the runoff from winter snow pack?

Environmentalists are seeing record flooding causing irreversible damage.
 
JimNv, Las Vegas will do to the water producing counties in Nevada what L.A. did to Northern CA. They will make a deal to buy the water and in fine print they will have the priority rights to the water over everyone else.
RELH
 
Leave it to utards to build their home by a huge lake that you can’t even drink out of.
Especially with millions of tons of uranium tailings sitting in it. There aren’t many flat places in Moab, but putting a tailings pile next to the river was exceptional planning.

Nothing a Couple billion $$ of taxpayers money wouldn’t fix.:censored:
 
LOL Hossy!

But That's Not Quite How It Happens!


My grandpa was convinced we would fight a civil war over water.

I for one would love to shut off Cali

Shut off their water. Shut off the power from carbon producers(IPP in Delta). Let them sit in the dark and thirst. They can live the woke BS they preach.




But yeah, so far that's not how it works.
 
My grandpa was convinced we would fight a civil war over water.

I for one would love to shut off Cali

Shut off their water. Shut off the power from carbon producers(IPP in Delta). Let them sit in the dark and thirst. They can live the woke BS they preach.




But yeah, so far that's not how it works.
I got a laugh out of that. Cali is going to be like Sinaloa soon.
 
My grandpa was convinced we would fight a civil war over water.

I for one would love to shut off Cali

Shut off their water. Shut off the power from carbon producers(IPP in Delta). Let them sit in the dark and thirst. They can live the woke BS they preach.




But yeah, so far that's not how it works.
No more Almond Joy candy bars for you Hoss. No more Redwood lumber either.
 
Just remember where much of that water originates and the largest share of drainage begins. The Colorado should have been named the Green River or Utah’s Grand River but due to politics way back, it was given the Colorado name when we all know where much of that water stems from. Wyoming has never used its allotted allocation but a new reservoir below Fontenelle could help change that. https://www.kpbs.org/news/environment/2018/03/27/how-colorado-river-got-its-name
 
Especially with millions of tons of uranium tailings sitting in it. There aren’t many flat places in Moab, but putting a tailings pile next to the river was exceptional planning.

Nothing a Couple billion $$ of taxpayers money wouldn’t fix.:censored:
None of that on the Colorado side, not a bit ;)
 
None of that on the Colorado side, not a bit ;)
Sshhhh……nobody needs to know about Uravan, Durango, Maybell, Shiprock, and Mexican Hat, and some others I’m sure I’m forgetting. To be fair, the tailings pile at Mexican hat is 10 miles or so from the riverbank.

Then there’s all the vicinity properties from Junction to Pigeon River. And God only knows what else.
 
Just remember where much of that water originates and the largest share of drainage begins. The Colorado should have been named the Green River or Utah’s Grand River but due to politics way back, it was given the Colorado name when we all know where much of that water stems from. Wyoming has never used its allotted allocation but a new reservoir below Fontenelle could help change that. https://www.kpbs.org/news/environment/2018/03/27/how-colorado-river-got-its-name


I've looked, can't find actual numbers. I look at a map and form an educated guess, but I'd like to read actual numbers. Got a link?
 
F them.

Water only runs downhill, because we let it.

Do others have a "right" to grain produced in other states?

We will use whatever we want. Don't like it, grow your own snow.
I guess those before you should have made a better deal with the "lower basin" users.
 
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Colorado has 3 rivers that feed the Green. This map is what peaked my curiosity, and prompted my question. That's 280 miles of the highest country in the lower 48, much of it averaging over 300 inches of snow, thousands of square miles ultimately flowing into the Colorado River.
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Sshhhh……nobody needs to know about Uravan, Durango, Maybell, Shiprock, and Mexican Hat, and some others I’m sure I’m forgetting. To be fair, the tailings pile at Mexican hat is 10 miles or so from the riverbank.

Then there’s all the vicinity properties from Junction to Pigeon River. And God only knows what else.
UMTRA was the largest employer in Mesa County for a long time.
 
The Yampa is the largest tributary to the Green above the confluence with the Colorado. It is also the least diverted.

Pretty hard to compare apple to apple how much water actually makes it down either one.

But if you are really interested feel free to knock yourself out.
 
The Yampa is the largest tributary to the Green above the confluence with the Colorado. It is also the least diverted.

Pretty hard to compare apple to apple how much water actually makes it down either one.

But if you are really interested feel free to knock yourself out.


I was mainly questioning hff's ascertain Colorado wasn't the primary supplier to the Colorado River. No doubt it varies year to year, but a large amount of Colorados snow melt dumps into it as indicated by that map.
 
The lower basin states have been over using their legal entitlement while the upper basin states have been under using their entitlement. The lower basin states have over spent their checking account and now the upper basin states are Nutting up some to take more of there entitled shares drought or no drought. Lower basin even got busted gaming the system. Time to pay up.
 
The lower basin states have been over using their legal entitlement while the upper basin states have been under using their entitlement. The lower basin states have over spent their checking account and now the upper basin states are Nutting up some to take more of there entitled shares drought or no drought. Lower basin even got busted gaming the system. Time to pay up.

The tribes in the lower basin states will set the upper basin states straight, drought or no drought.

Hide and watch...
 
No hiding here. Very familiar with the treaties for western Colorado and Utah on the hook. This is rapidly developing as we type. Tribes have federal reserve water rights however the individual states are on the hook via treaty to meet these obligations. To my knowledge Colorado is in compliance with those treaties. Now the other states may have some work to do.
 
No hiding here. Very familiar with the treaties for western Colorado and Utah on the hook. This is rapidly developing as we type. Tribes have federal reserve water rights however the individual states are on the hook via treaty to meet these obligations. To my knowledge Colorado is in compliance with those treaties. Now the other states may have some work to do.

AZ...
 
Some states have been negating tribal rights for sure. Scarey part IMO is these tribal rights for their sovereign nation are openly for sale to the highest bidder. Seems another "treaty"/deal is in the making and I hope they don't sell out for the cash jeopardizing the future of their nation for the all mighty dollar. Time will tell.
 
My grandpa was convinced we would fight a civil war over water.

I for one would love to shut off Cali

Shut off their water. Shut off the power from carbon producers(IPP in Delta). Let them sit in the dark and thirst. They can live the woke BS they preach.




But yeah, so far that's not how it works.
Hoss
Just reading some of these posts make it seem like is pretty easy to start a war over water.
Your grandpa was a wise man.
 
I Know This Is Probably a Dumb Question?

But where in KALI is The Colorado Water Completely used Up & Gone?
???

If you are asking where the river dries up, I think you could say Yuma. It’s fields and tailwater the rest of the way to the ocean.
 
To state or believe the tribes have been excluded from the Colorado River conversation is fake news. They have been invited and welcomed yet fail to attend even with a written invitation.
 
We strive to progress with salt loadings in the Colorado and have made great demonstrable progress in basins such as the Ginnison but get hampered by the water losses to the front range from the Colorado River Basin, evaporation, and transit losses to Powell. Called "Structural deficit". Next basin for aggressive salt conservation/mitigation IMO is the White River.
 
Here's What I Don't Get!

The NRCS Has Talked Most People in to Wheel Lines & Pivots to Reduce Salinity Levels & Water Usage!

But We Dump Tons of Salt on Every Road Every Winter!

Ya!

They Cut Our Water in Half!

And One Share Per Acre Ain't Enough To Water This Dry SOB!
 
I believe the issue is salinity in the topsoil, and the runoff from roads generally is used to induce erosion damage.

Edward Abbey considered the road pollution, so some would argue theres a difference between spraying it on asphalt and topsoil.
 
Some states have been negating tribal rights for sure. Scarey part IMO is these tribal rights for their sovereign nation are openly for sale to the highest bidder. Seems another "treaty"/deal is in the making and I hope they don't sell out for the cash jeopardizing the future of their nation for the all mighty dollar. Time will tell.

They are not sovereign. A lot of them will even tell you that. And, they have no rights above anyone else...
 
They are sovereign in the same legal sense that a State is. Study up on taxation if you want simple examples. It gets a little fuzzy with gaming, but that’s way over your head.

NO tribal attorney or tribal leader would agree with your statement.

You completely discredit yourself sometimes.
 
They are sovereign in the same legal sense that a State is. Study up on taxation if you want simple examples. It gets a little fuzzy with gaming, but that’s way over your head.

NO tribal attorney or tribal leader would agree with your statement.

You completely discredit yourself sometimes.


I enjoy how they get to pick and choose what "sovereign" means.

As I watch the Cherokee Nation push a seat in Congress.
 
We strive to progress with salt loadings in the Colorado and have made great demonstrable progress in basins such as the Ginnison but get hampered by the water losses to the front range from the Colorado River Basin, evaporation, and transit losses to Powell. Called "Structural deficit". Next basin for aggressive salt conservation/mitigation IMO is the White River.
It’s a slow process, we participated in the CRSC program here in Grand Valley But most of those methods disappeared but NRCS bought a lot of gated pipe and surge controllers. Are you extension?
 
They are not sovereign. A lot of them will even tell you that. And, they have no rights above anyone else...
December 14, 2021
Statement from Commissioner Rebecca Mitchell on Tribal Engagement:

In recognition of their status as fellow sovereigns, I believe that a critical element as we move into negotiations for post-2026 reservoir operations interim guidelines is meaningful engagement with the Tribal Nations in the Colorado River Basin, and that creating a framework for this engagement should be the first step as the negotiations begin.”
 
It’s a slow process, we participated in the CRSC program here in Grand Valley But most of those methods disappeared but NRCS bought a lot of gated pipe and surge controllers. Are you extension?
I manage a water conservancy district, am well involved with the the Colorado River District, and a multitude of other local, state, and federal water and natural resource agencies.
 
I manage a water conservancy district, am well involved with the the Colorado River District, and a multitude of other local, state, and federal water and natural resource agencies.
What a wonderful job in a drought year.:ROFLMAO:

We prolly know a few of the same folks if you know the guys down here.
 
December 14, 2021
Statement from Commissioner Rebecca Mitchell on Tribal Engagement:

In recognition of their status as fellow sovereigns, I believe that a critical element as we move into negotiations for post-2026 reservoir operations interim guidelines is meaningful engagement with the Tribal Nations in the Colorado River Basin, and that creating a framework for this engagement should be the first step as the negotiations begin.”

Ok, good for the "language". They're not sovereign. Not anymore than a local municipality is...
 

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