Bonus Point Report – 2023 Elk-Pronghorn

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I'm really curious to see this report. Does anyone have an idea of when they'll post the Bonus Point Report for 2023 Elk-Pronghorn. Wonder where & how many high point guys put in for early archery hunts. I guessing there was some point jumps with the great winter moister. I looked at last years, but it wasn't dated. Thanks
 
Iddogguy said:
I'm really curious to see this report. Does anyone have an idea of when they'll post the Bonus Point Report for 2023 Elk-Pronghorn. Wonder where & how many high point guys put in for early archery hunts. I guessing there was some point jumps with the great winter moister. I looked at last years, but it wasn't dated. Thanks
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I've requested it every year after the draw and it's usually 1-2 months after draw results before they will give it out or post it.
 
fin little said:
I suspect a lot of bp only buyers were waiting for late start date. Add the weather and it was all in on the hunt that you were waiting on.
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This year worked out great with the dates and heavy snows and like you said, a lot of people cashed in!

At least it cleared the books a bit and point creep might not be so bad next year!
 
AZ8 said:
This year worked out great with the dates and heavy snows and like you said, a lot of people cashed in!

At least it cleared the books a bit and point creep might not be so bad next year!
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Yup. Next year start date pretty good too. 14th
 
AZ8 said:
This year worked out great with the dates and heavy snows and like you said, a lot of people cashed in!

At least it cleared the books a bit and point creep might not be so bad next year!
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I sure hope so!
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
What's a timely matter, the next elk draw isnt until next January. I'm surprised they post them at all seems to me they could sell them and make some money.
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I guess if you think a year to post public information is timely, I don't really have a response. Thank goodness not everyone thinks like you and wants to charge money for everything.
 
I have never seen anywhere where the AZGFD promised draw reports let alone in a timely manner, seems like it's just something they do as a courtesy, If you want what you think is public information fill out the paperwork and ask for it but it will cost you otherwise you've got a year before the next elk draw I'm willing to bet they'll be posted before then probably free of charge.
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
I have never seen anywhere where the AZGFD promised draw reports let alone in a timely manner, seems like it's just something they do as a courtesy, If you want what you think is public information fill out the paperwork and ask for it but it will cost you otherwise you've got a year before the next elk draw I'm willing to bet they'll be posted before then probably free of charge.
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I would say that providing the reports to the public is an important practice to ensure checks and balances in the system. The draw process has been noted by the auditor general as a potential risk given a lack of internal checks in the system. Providing detailed reports that ensure transparency is an effective and cost efficient way to help prevent corruption and more than just a benevolent offering of helpful information.
 
I agree with others. I think drawing reports are important public information for transparency and should be available to the public considering the states are charging money for these drawings. I don't know of any state that DOESN'T make them available.

With computers these should be relatively easy to generate and print out and shouldn't take long to make available.

I know of a an example personally here in my home state where it has corrected errors in their system. In one of the reports there was two people with one point more than the maximum number of points possible for bighorn sheep (I knew because I had been applying every year since they opened up the sheep hunts). Anyway, I contacted the department and inquired how there could be two people with more than the the maximum number of points possible. They went back through and corrected the issue.
 
I never said they weren't important, and I enjoy the heck out of them and it's not because I don't trust the AZGFD, but whining because they're not made public a couple weeks after the draw results come out is ridiculous. If you're really concerned about the draw file the paperwork needed for the Freedom of Information act and get all the information you need about the draw.
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
I never said they weren't important, and I enjoy the heck out of them and it's not because I don't trust the AZGFD, but whining because they're not made public a couple weeks after the draw results come out is ridiculous. If you're really concerned about the draw file the paperwork needed for the Freedom of Information act and get all the information you need about the draw.
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What's a timely matter, the next elk draw isnt until next January. I'm surprised they post them at all seems to me they could sell them and make some money.

Well, I’d say a timely manner needs to be early enough to cure any error. That means at a minimum early enough to issue tags that were not issued due to error. I would say that curing those issues requires a reasonable amount of notice. The definition of reasonable is subjective, but one could argue that an en expectation that the department issue the draw reports as soon as they are available is a reasonable request, especially given the time hunters often invest to plan and execute hunts.
 
AZGFD IT department upgrading the reports.

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The reports are part of what the agency should have been using to QA the draw itself.

Might take a few minutes to format/anonymize for the public. Then, ready to release.

I would just release the report with the draw results to show transparency. If I wasn’t ready to release the report, then I also wasn’t ready to hit credit cards.
 
Crampy said:
The reports are part of what the agency should have been using to QA the draw itself.

Might take a few minutes to format/anonymize for the public. Then, ready to release.

I would just release the report with the draw results to show transparency. If I wasn’t ready to release the report, then I also wasn’t ready to hit credit cards.
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Can't agree with you more. The reports are the records of the drawing results - not just a tool for people to use for planning next years application!

I did get my tag in the mail last week - so the AZGF print shop guys are way ahead of the AZGF technology guys.
 
longranger said:
Bro. . Noone wants to hear what you have to say. You're obviously a little slow.
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Bro, you're the slow one, rather than cry and whine about draw reports put your big boy pants on and go straight to the source. Contact the person in charge and ask all the questions you need to ask about draw accuracy. The AZGFD provides email addresses for all the commissioners, email them and explain to them why you feel the draw reports should be provided with draw results. Pretty simple.
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
Bro, you're the slow one, rather than cry and whine about draw reports put your big boy pants on and go straight to the source. Contact the person in charge and ask all the questions you need to ask about draw accuracy. The AZGFD provides email addresses for all the commissioners, email them and explain to them why you feel the draw reports should be provided with draw results. Pretty simple.
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Hey dumb $hit, who do you think I've been emailing to write a post about when they plan on posting these reports? Think I've just been making dates up?

Next, the draw reports have been posted within a few months of every draw for 10+ years besides this past spring draw. You're statement about the draw reports not needing to be posted because the next elk draw is 9 months away makes no sense because this year's report has nothing to do with next year's draw. It has everything to do with this year's draw and ensuring the draw was run correctly. People like to check them to ensure they got the tags they deserved to get. Kind of hard to do anything about it if the reports don't come out until after the hunts. Through the years I know several people that have gotten tags because of the reports and the errors they found.

Azgfd posting these reports is the only somewhat halfass way they allow us to audit the draw. If you're too slow to see the reason they need to be posted in a timely manner I can't help you there. You're commenting on things you literally know nothing about.
 
longranger said:
Hey dumb $hit, who do you think I've been emailing to write a post about when they plan on posting these reports? Think I've just been making dates up?

Next, the draw reports have been posted within a few months of every draw for 10+ years besides this past spring draw. You're statement about the draw reports not needing to be posted because the next elk draw is 9 months away makes no sense because this year's report has nothing to do with next year's draw. It has everything to do with this year's draw and ensuring the draw was run correctly. People like to check them to ensure they got the tags they deserved to get. Kind of hard to do anything about it if the reports don't come out until after the hunts. Through the years I know several people that have gotten tags because of the reports and the errors they found.

Azgfd posting these reports is the only somewhat halfass way they allow us to audit the draw. If you're too slow to see the reason they need to be posted in a timely manner I can't help you there. You're commenting on things you literally know nothing about.
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The fact you use BRO and name calling ensures me you're not the one people want auditing the draw for them :ROFLMAO:. The delay in the draw reports is the department having to put them in crayon format so you can understand them.
 
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I have attached the draw reports for hunt #4001(unit 1 first hunt).
For those of you that use these reports as an audit tool I'm curious what are some of the issues you're checking for?
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
I have attached the draw reports for hunt #4001(unit 1 first hunt).
For those of you that use these reports as an audit tool I'm curious what are some of the issues you're checking for?
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They're not much good as an end user audit tool; the draw is done, cards charged, and tags issued. Especially when the format is hosed and they look like this...
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AZNATIVE98 said:
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I have attached the draw reports for hunt #4001(unit 1 first hunt).
For those of you that use these reports as an audit tool I'm curious what are some of the issues you're checking for?
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The biggest issue would be if you would have been in the bonus pass and should have drawn a tag. Other than that it’s just to see where people are shifting. The other would be the non res lifetime license loophole .

This happened on the 3a3c late deer hunt. Someone that had higher BPs didn’t draw so he had to file a request with the commission. In the end he got his tag. He was never hit nor tried to be hit by AZFG.
 
longranger said:
Based on your current rate of understanding I don't want to take on the job of attempting to explain any of that to you.
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:ROFLMAO:, I didn't expect much out of you and I'd be willing to bet that I could put my knowledge of the draw and how it works up against you any day of the week.
 
Serious question for Arizona people. Has your government always been this messed up and the nation just started noticing because of all the election drama or is this a new phenomenon? It seems every governing body in Arizona is screwed up like polio.

I mean basic draw reports, even dysfunctional states like Cali and Oregon can get that much right. Arizona's collective incompetence is just mind boggling. The fact that the citizens tolerate it is even more mind boggling.
 
marburg said:
Serious question for Arizona people. Has your government always been this messed up and the nation just started noticing because of all the election drama or is this a new phenomenon? It seems every governing body in Arizona is screwed up like polio.

I mean basic draw reports, even dysfunctional states like Cali and Oregon can get that much right. Arizona's collective incompetence is just mind boggling. The fact that the citizens tolerate it is even more mind boggling.
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The record books speak for themselves. Guess people don’t get all butt hurt about it as others. Record applications every year.

Changes begin at the Commission meetings. Talking about it on internet forums is pointless. I’ve been to meetings where I can count the number of hunters on one hand. It’s not that we tolerate it, but rather unable to overcome the apathy within the hunting community.

The political mess is a new chapter, brought on by the corruption of Obama and has festered thanks to the Cali transplants. Prior to that, our political landscape was much different.
 
A little different question. Where will the draw reports be located on the new website? I knew how to navigate to the info before but am struggling to find the same information now. Thanks for the help.....
 
I feel like all of this is bullshit by the state(s) to convolute how bad these point systems are. Arizona, with it's multiple passes, is trying to make it more difficult to see exactly how the draw is playing out. It takes time to take data in the format used to run the draw and aggregate it into a format that can be put forth to the public in a manor so that no one can reconstruct the draw. Also note that more and more states are only publishing data in pdf format, and convoluted tables at that. Rather than csv or excel, or another readily manipulatable format.
 
idahomuleyhunter said:
I feel like all of this is bullshit by the state(s) to convolute how bad these point systems are. Arizona, with it's multiple passes, is trying to make it more difficult to see exactly how the draw is playing out. It takes time to take data in the format used to run the draw and aggregate it into a format that can be put forth to the public in a manor so that no one can reconstruct the draw. Also note that more and more states are only publishing data in pdf format, and convoluted tables at that. Rather than csv or excel, or another readily manipulatable format.
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Pretty easy to convert a PDF to excel if you so choose. I do it every year and save it to nerd out on when I don’t draw a tag.
 
Skykarp said:
Pretty easy to convert a PDF to excel if you so choose. I do it every year and save it to nerd out on when I don’t draw a tag.
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Fully understand this. It's also easy to post the data in a useable data format. Assuming they don't use a typewriter then scan to PDF, they might.
 
Only takes one phone call to Callie C. to understand when and how those reports are made, and unless they changed the process in the last cpl years, why they're pdf's.
 
Traditionally its cleaner to send items as PDF as the data can not be corrupted, its easier to print, and now that Microsoft doesn't technically give excel with every OS it is somewhat more universal.

PDFs are terrible and I hate them in many aspects, but also under stand why they are used.
 
I understand that part of it but a pdf is useless if you're interested in data analysis. It just irks me a little that the PDFs are posted with the XLSX extension still in their file name. Just post that file, PDFs are more memory intensive and less useful. I don't really understand why they can't do both, many states do.
 
Many other states got sick of the data requests from thousands of DIY data experts. And they put the data in XLS on their sites to avert the requests.

Not surprising Arizona is at least 10 years behind on this also.

AZ spent many years declining to break down the data in a way to allow NRs to understand the 1/2 pass problem with 90/10. AZ GFD didn't even understand it themselves.

Not surprising that folks would still be suspicious of AZ GFD and their data.
 
Thanks, Longranger!

I have a question for you, there were two persons that put in for 3161 with 27 points as Non-residents. One tag was given in the Bonus Pass at 27 points. One person listed it as there first choice. I had it as my second choice. Would that have made a difference in who was awarded the tag? Thanks Mark
 
Iddogguy said:
Thanks, Longranger!

I have a question for you, there were two persons that put in for 3161 with 27 points as Non-residents. One tag was given in the Bonus Pass at 27 points. One person listed it as there first choice. I had it as my second choice. Would that have made a difference in who was awarded the tag? Thanks Mark
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No, it shouldn't have. Pretty sure it was just between you two and you had the bad luck of the draw. They look at both 1st and 2nd equally.
 
longranger said:
Just got a hold of the reports and as suspected for 3c early archery, residents were drawing it with 15 points in the bonus pass. Anyone that wasn't drawing with 18 need to give them a call right away.
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I believe this message is directed at me. Thank you longranger for staying on top of this for me! I will definitely be on the phone tomorrow!
 
You're welcome! Someone (maybe you) also asked about unit 10 and guys with 14 were drawing it. So stick to your guns because they will come up with all kinds of reasons not to give you a tag. Be prepared with letters from the bank that no cards were declined etc. because that's their favorite one to try.
 
longranger said:
You're welcome! Someone (maybe you) also asked about unit 10 and guys with 14 were drawing it. So stick to your guns because they will come up with all kinds of reasons not to give you a tag. Be prepared with letters from the bank that no cards were declined etc. because that's their favorite one to try.
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I was asking about 10. My dad didn't draw with 18 so he will be calling tomorrow.
 
longranger said:
You're welcome! Someone (maybe you) also asked about unit 10 and guys with 14 were drawing it. So stick to your guns because they will come up with all kinds of reasons not to give you a tag. Be prepared with letters from the bank that no cards were declined etc. because that's their favorite one to try.
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Who would you recommend talking to?... I have yet to talk to someone with a brain by calling the 1-800 number or going to an azgfd office.
 
longranger said:
Just got a hold of the reports and as suspected for 3c early archery, residents were drawing it with 15 points in the bonus pass. Anyone that wasn't drawing with 18 need to give them a call right away.
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If you're talking about early archery elk 3C Hunt# 3140 there were 4 Residents total that put that hunt down as their 1st&2nd choice with 18 points and all 4 drew so I dont know what you're talking about.
 
montezumarchery said:
I believe this message is directed at me. Thank you longranger for staying on top of this for me! I will definitely be on the phone tomorrow!
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You might want to actually take a look at the bonus report before you call and make a full of yourself. According to the draw report For Hunt# 3140 3A/3C archery bull there were 4 residents that put that hunt down as their 1st&2nd choice and all 4 drew
 
Thank you for sharing. Where did you get the data? The 2023 Elk info doesn't appear to be listed on their website. I was trying to figure out Unit 1 early archery elk (non-resident) and the point creep was even worse than I would have thought. 5 of 12 drew with 21 points. I believe a few drew with 19 in 2022. That is insane....
 
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AZNATIVE98 said:
You might want to actually take a look at the bonus report before you call and make a full of yourself. According to the draw report For Hunt# 3140 3A/3C archery bull there were 4 residents that put that hunt down as their 1st&2nd choice and all 4 drew
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Keep up AZNATIVE98. If you don't know what we're talking about then keep to yourself. No time to draw it in crayon for you to understand.
 
Live4MtnHunts said:
Where did you get the data? The 2023 Elk info doesn't appear to be listed on their website. I'm trying to figure out Unit 1 early archery elk (non-resident). thanks
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Unit 1 early archery NR took 22 to be guaranteed. Few tags went to guys with 21 in the bonus pass but 12 nr with 21 points tried for it and 5 drew in the bonus pass. I posted the link to the pdf data a few posts up.
 
SanJuanSlayer said:
I was asking about 10. My dad didn't draw with 18 so he will be calling tomorrow.
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According to the report there were 2 Residents that put archery 10 as their !st&2nd choices and both drew, so either your dad didn't have the points he thought he did, put down the wrong hunt number or maybe a call is warranted?
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
If you're talking about early archery elk 3C Hunt# 3140 there were 4 Residents total that put that hunt down as their 1st&2nd choice with 18 points and all 4 drew so I dont know what you're talking about.
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We now have proof that us nonresident lifetime license holders did not get put in with the residents in the draw!
 
Definitely folks switching from rifle or people that have been holding out and not applying for years finally felt like the stars aligned. I hope it settles down next year.
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
According to the report there were 2 Residents that put archery 10 as their !st&2nd choices and both drew, so either your dad didn't have the points he thought he did, put down the wrong hunt number or maybe a call is warranted?
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AZNATIVE98 said:
Go ahead and prove me wrong. Hunt# 3140 tells the tale
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This is about lifetime license holders getting screwed in the new system! My wife teaches kindergarten maybe she can explain it on your level!
 
longranger said:
Just got a hold of the reports and as suspected for 3c early archery, residents were drawing it with 15 points in the bonus pass. Anyone that wasn't drawing with 18 need to give them a call right away.
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why are the reports not posted to the AZGFD website?

I wonder if these are correct. My wife drew a non resident Pronghorn permit with 1 point and the hunt doesn't show any NR drawing in that point group. It show the NR that drew had 0 points. I'm sure she had 1 point.
 
elkantlers said:
why are the reports not posted to the AZGFD website?

I wonder if these are correct. My wife drew a non resident Pronghorn permit with 1 point and the hunt doesn't show any NR drawing in that point group. It show the NR that drew had 0 points. I'm sure she had 1 point.
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Look back on her app in the portal and you'll see how many points the system gave her going into the draw. It will say group bonus average. Does it say 0 or 1?
 
SanJuanSlayer said:
I was asking about 10. My dad didn't draw with 18 so he will be calling tomorrow.
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Can you post up a screenshot from his portal dashboard?

Click on draw app details. That single screenshot will prove the hunt codes that were placed in posiitions 1 & 2. And will also show what "group bonus points average" was applied.
 
longranger said:
Not sure if you noticed but noone wants your help. Because you don't even know what's going on.
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Apparently marachery for short put in for elk as a NR but has an AZ lifetime license which should preclude him from the 10% cap and he didn't get drawn. If that's the case I would definitely try and get a hold of Callie. She will be the one that will have the answers and hopefully a solution.
 
Crampy said:
Can you post up a screenshot from his portal dashboard?

Click on draw app details. That single screenshot will prove the hunt codes that were placed in posiitions 1 & 2. And will also show what "group bonus points average" was applied.
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I don't have access to his portal. I have grilled him several time though and he assures me that his portal is showing 18 points and 10 early archery as his second choice.
 
Crampy said:
Can you post up a screenshot from his portal dashboard?

Click on draw app details. That single screenshot will prove the hunt codes that were placed in posiitions 1 & 2. And will also show what "group bonus points average" was applied.
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I would imagine his app looks like mine but with unit 10 hunt #s

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AZNATIVE98 said:
Apparently marachery for short put in for elk as a NR but has an AZ lifetime license which should preclude him from the 10% cap and he didn't get drawn. If that's the case I would definitely try and get a hold of Callie. She will be the one that will have the answers and hopefully a solution.
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Glad to see you caught up with the rest of us.
 
Is it insane to anyone other than me the amount of tags issued to people with 0 - 10 BP on top hunts? 7w, had like half the tags issues to people with 9 points or less....how does someone draw unit 9 archery bull with zero points?

I hope I'm missing something, as comprehension really isn't my strong suite, but the whole BP system is worthless....
 
longranger said:
Glad to see you caught up with the rest of us.
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:ROFLMAO:, Looking at marchery draw app I'm a little curious why he waisted his time putting down 3002 as his first choice. With 18 points and knowing the draw as well as he does and studying past draw reports like I'm sure he did he had to know that he had zero chance at getting in the bonus pass for hunt 3002 but a 100% chance of being in the bonus pass for 3140 therefore his first choice was never even considered. I will say I can't wait to see how the AZGFD handles his case, I think he should start planning some vacation because he should be archery elk hunting in 3a/3c in September.
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
:ROFLMAO:, Looking at marchery draw app I'm a little curious why he waisted his time putting down 3002 as his first choice. With 18 points and knowing the draw as well as he does and studying past draw reports like I'm sure he did he had to know that he had zero chance at getting in the bonus pass for hunt 3002 but a 100% chance of being in the bonus pass for 3140 therefore his first choice was never even considered. I will say I can't wait to see how the AZGFD handles his case, I think he should start planning some vacation because he should be archery elk hunting in 3a/3c in September.
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Because clearly azgfd can't get the draw process right one time... maybe I would get a draw screw up in my favor! Lol ?
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
:ROFLMAO:, Looking at marchery draw app I'm a little curious why he waisted his time putting down 3002 as his first choice. With 18 points and knowing the draw as well as he does and studying past draw reports like I'm sure he did he had to know that he had zero chance at getting in the bonus pass for hunt 3002 but a 100% chance of being in the bonus pass for 3140 therefore his first choice was never even considered. I will say I can't wait to see how the AZGFD handles his case, I think he should start planning some vacation because he should be archery elk hunting in 3a/3c in September.
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Also... I knew there was potential for big point creep... 18 chances at a great random #
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
:ROFLMAO:, Looking at marchery draw app I'm a little curious why he waisted his time putting down 3002 as his first choice. With 18 points and knowing the draw as well as he does and studying past draw reports like I'm sure he did he had to know that he had zero chance at getting in the bonus pass for hunt 3002 but a 100% chance of being in the bonus pass for 3140 therefore his first choice was never even considered. I will say I can't wait to see how the AZGFD handles his case, I think he should start planning some vacation because he should be archery elk hunting in 3a/3c in September.
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It’s 2023, you should know by now that every app with 1 point or more goes into the Bonus Pass and both choices are looked at.
 
stealth_archer said:
Is it insane to anyone other than me the amount of tags issued to people with 0 - 10 BP on top hunts? 7w, had like half the tags issues to people with 9 points or less....how does someone draw unit 9 archery bull with zero points?

I hope I'm missing something, as comprehension really isn't my strong suite, but the whole BP system is worthless....
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1748 total resident with 1-10 points applying for 7w. 24 residents applying with 11+ points for 7w. 92/112 tags available to residents in random went to people in the 1-10 point group. When 98% of the people applying for a draw have 1-10 points vs 2% with 11+ in an 80% random tag draw, odds are in favor of the lower point groups drawing more tags. Working as designed. You could also say almost 100% of guys with 11+ drew a tag so what's wrong with that?

With how az draw is designed the bottom point groups that have way more people naturally draw more tags than the lesser number of people in the high groups. That is until you reach high enough then you're guaranteed.
 
longranger said:
Aznative an hour ago: 3140 tells the tale you fool! 18 didn't get you the tag.

Aznative now: you idiot, why would you do that knowing 18 points would guarantee a tag for hunt 3140?!
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:ROFLMAO:, Looking at his draw app I 100% agree that the AZGFD has made an error. He asked for a name of someone to contact and I provided one. Maybe he already tried to contact her I'm not sure but if he didn't and doesn't try well that's on him.
 
WapitiBob said:
It’s 2023, you should know by now that every app with 1 point or more goes into the Bonus Pass and both choices are looked at.
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:ROFLMAO:, you know as well as me that 18 points didn't stand a chance for 3002 but 18 should have been golden for 3140. Absolutely there seems to be a serious error on AZGFD and I hope that marchery gets it resolved and he gets the tag he deserves.(3140) of course.
 
stealth_archer said:
Is it insane to anyone other than me the amount of tags issued to people with 0 - 10 BP on top hunts? 7w, had like half the tags issues to people with 9 points or less....how does someone draw unit 9 archery bull with zero points?

I hope I'm missing something, as comprehension really isn't my strong suite, but the whole BP system is worthless....
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Opinions differ, but some of us think that the preference part of the AZ system is the worthless part (the first pass, "preference pass", which AZ incorrectly calls the bonus pass). Where the 70 year old boomer with 30 points gets his long expected Unit 9 early archery bull tag.

And we think that the second pass (1st/2nd choice pass) is where the weighted random magic happens. That's where the excitement happens.

Who would anxiously be awaiting AZ draw results if the only anticipation was which of your near-death friends or relatives was going to draw a premium tag?
 
AZNATIVE98 said:
Apparently marachery for short put in for elk as a NR but has an AZ lifetime license which should preclude him from the 10% cap and he didn't get drawn. If that's the case I would definitely try and get a hold of Callie. She will be the one that will have the answers and hopefully a solution.
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Why? And I say this with all sincerity because if you're right I'll buy and AZ lifetime license today. To my knowledge no state recognizes a lifetime hunting license as proof of residency. I have one in Idaho and in the years I lived out of state I had to buy non resident tags. A non resident is a non resident, otherwise we'd all just buy lifetime licenses. I know Montana has a special class of license for people born in Montana. Does AZ have this? Generally, even a resident putting in with an NR on a group app will bump everyone to the NR pool.
 
I'll be damned I found it:

If a lifetime license holder changes residency status from Arizona, the licensee must then purchase non-resident stamps, tags, and permits. A non-resident tag or stamp can accompany your lifetime resident license. If you are a lifetime license holder who has moved out of state, the 10 percent non-resident cap does not apply to you. The lifetime license will remain legal for the taking of all wildlife as permitted by law. Residency may be re-established after moving back to Arizona and meeting the required time period as defined below.
 

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Arizona Hunting Guides & Outfitters

SilverGrand Outfitters

Offering mule deer, elk, antelope, bighorn sheep, javelina, and turkey hunts in Nevada and Arizona.

Arizona Elk Outfitters

Offering the serious hunter a chance to hunt trophy animals in the great Southwest.

A3 Trophy Hunts

An Arizona Outfitter specializing in the harvest of World Class big game of all species.

Arizona Strip Guides

Highly experienced and highly dedicated team of hardworking professional Arizona Strip mule deer guides.

Urge 2 Hunt

THE premier hunts in Arizona for trophy elk, mule deer, couse deer and javelina.

Shadow Valley Outfitters

AZ Strip and Kaibab mule deer, big bulls during the rut, spot-n-stalk pronghorn and coues deer hunts.

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