Diamond creek elk

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I wish Idaho would stop the freakin madness and just put the damn tag in the draw. Ready to roll at midnight and site is crashing, can't do anything. Seems crazy to me, they could stop a lot of headaches if it was in the draw with the rest of the sought after tags. Seems like a no brainer to me...
 
I agree 100%
I logged in at 12:01 am had the tag in my cart by 12:04. It was 1:30 by the time I was able to process payment due to their website. Just as I hit the process payment button I was told the Diamond creek tag was sold out. It's a joke. The tag sold out by 8:00 am last year.
 
>I agree 100%
>I logged in at 12:01 am
>had the tag in my
>cart by 12:04. It was
>1:30 by the time I
>was able to process payment
>due to their website. Just
>as I hit the process
>payment button I was told
>the Diamond creek tag was
>sold out. It's a joke.
>The tag sold out by
>8:00 am last year.


Almost my situation exactly, except I had my information entered three different times and the site crashed before my payment was processed. So freakin frustrating to be right there and done so many times but writing this now without a tag and without much sleep.
 
>Can anyone tell me what this
>is in regard to?


Idaho?s general tags went on sale at midnight last night. There are a limited number of diamond creek tags and it's was a joke trying to get one since their website couldn't handle the traffic.
 
My most successful hunts have been on the western side of the state. Covered up in elk in September archery.
 
>So sorry Out of Staters can't
>get a tag.....?


Probably not sorry that we cover more than half of your wildlife revenue though?
 
Correct, not sorry....getting a coveted elk tag as a NR is not a right, nor should it be expected. Be grateful you even have that opportunity.
 
No, most residents I know would happily pay more and limit nonresident hunting further.

Residents would also likely support doubling tag prices for revenue with less hunters.

You?re not as valuable as you think.
 
Ha, good luck getting the tag yourself. Its a bigger sh#$show for you residents to even get one. All of your whining has come to this and now it'll become a draw unit! Which sucks for everyone, great job!
 
I don't think we expect anything. Just saying the system for getting that tag is a joke. Idaho has a draw system, why not use it, rather than overload the system at 1 in the morning. Stupid
 
Because we dont need a draw. That's the exact thinking and complaining that residents despise. So a NR cant get a tag and they start whining about it not being fair and X/Y zone need to be a draw. Like was stated above, if you survey Idaho residents they'd prefer increasing prices and reducing NR opportunities. Be thankful it's not worse.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-19 AT 08:29PM (MST)[p]idhikker weren't you just posting for help on wyoming area 84? Hypocrite much ?
 
>Correct, not sorry....getting a coveted elk
>tag as a NR is
>not a right, nor should
>it be expected. Be grateful
>you even have that opportunity.
>


It's not expected. If you read the posts it's the crappy system and waste of time that's the frustration. I was just as irritated when I still thought I had a chance at a tag. Last time I checked, getting a tag isn't a right as a resident either.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-19
>AT 08:29?PM (MST)
>
>idhikker weren't you just posting for
>help on wyoming area 84?
>Hypocrite much ?


A lot of the Idaho guys seem to be that way for some reason. I hunted 17 days in Wyoming for elk and 3 days in Idaho for elk this year. Got lots of waves, head nods and not a bit of slack in Wyoming. Got a few snide comments in Idaho. Funny thing is my family is from Idaho, I just don't live there anymore.
 
Yea me too, I have a lot in Blackfoot, mom was raised there,It's irritating at best to hear people complaining about non residents hunting (their) state, same guys probably put in for Utah
 
Yeah and I'm never going to make some stupid remarks to Wyoming residents about how much they appreciate the money I spend to hunt there.

Nonresidents have no right to any tags and should be happy anytime a state offers them. Nonresidents are contributing little and taking much from a state?s wildlife management process. Who is around when sagebrush needs to be planted? Who gets to know the biologists and provides detailed hunt reports or let's them know when they see something surprising? Who hunts predators to help out the game? Residents. Who drives up, hunts, takes an animal, and leaves? Nonresidents. And states could make up for the revenue nonresidents provide in various ways as I mentioned. Pretty soon all the Western states will be draw only for nonresidents and for good reason.
 
So I'm guessing that since you hunt wyoming your killing a ton of coyotes there and replanting brush by the truckloads? Congrats!!!!
 
Like stated before on this thread. I don't believe I'm entitled to a permit. I too was frustrated by the process of how the tags are distributed. The current process is basically a lottery. There were so many people attempting to purchase the permits at one time that the server was overloaded. Some were lucky enough to make their purchase. Others of us were not. By making it a draw permit for non residents it would eliminate many frustrations for all involved. I did not call Idaho game and fish this morning but I'm sure many did to express their frustrations. I would dare bet that those poor employees answering phones this morning had a terrible day at work. I'll bet that after today they are in favor of making them draw permits ?

I too have experienced the warm welcome offered by many Idaho residents while hunting THEIR elk, on THEIR public lands. Last year I borrowed a friends truck with Idaho 3C plates to avoid being ran off the road, or saluted with the middle finger. ?
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-19 AT 11:49PM (MST)[p]Cooper, your brain power is lacking. The residents of Wyoming do. Resident hunters are what support the game agencies. That's why I am extremely grateful to have any nonresident tag in Wyoming or any other state.

To say you should be glad for my nonresident hunting dollars is ridiculous.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-19
>AT 11:49?PM (MST)
>
>Cooper, your brain power is lacking.
>The residents of Wyoming do.
>Resident hunters are what support
>the game agencies. That's why
>I am extremely grateful to
>have any nonresident tag in
>Wyoming or any other state.
>
>
>To say you should be glad
>for my nonresident hunting dollars
>is ridiculous.

Your kidding yourself. Money is what supports the agencies. Non residents pay ten times as much for the opportunity to hunt in ?your? state. Money is all they really care about. Otherwise they would shut down the deer hunts in the southern part of the state to let the herd recover. When I talked to ?your? biologist (yes, ya non residents do that too) he said that ?they can be killed in the winter or be killed by a hunter, so we might as well give hunters the opportunity?
 
I was just saying that your probably the exception, your ok to get non resident tags,just the rest of us don't deserve them
 
I understand the sentiment and jealousy by Residents when NR's "invade" their turf but the hypocrisy and entitlement is not lost on me. I hate seeing out of state plates in some of my haunts as well but the reality is that the land is public and open to ALL U.S. citizens regardless of where they hang their nameplate. We all pay for management of fish and game and federal lands via the Pittman-Robertson Act and to claim that Residents somehow pay more or do more for management in their state is absurd and a completely baseless argument. The fact of the matter is that NR's actually contribute more $$$ than residents toward F&G coffers via tag fees and app fees not to mention the money they contribute to the general economy of the state. Most of us hunt other states in addition to our own so it's fairly hypocritical to say others can't hunt here. Just because the Constitution delegated the responsibility of management of fish and game within its boundaries to the states does not mean that it designated the fish and game within its boundaries to the sole possession of the residents of the state.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-03-19 AT 10:44AM (MST)[p]Gotta love the resident who whines and says we would pay more to keep you NR's out. Put your $ where your mouth is and buy all the NR deer tags at FULL price and burn it!
 
What Idaho needs to do is match what our neighbors Montana and Wyoming do.No more OTC non-resident tags. All must enter a draw in early spring. Along with that, cap each Zone (for elk) at 10% of resident numbers. Increase the cost to match what our neighbors are charging for a general elk tag (close to $1,000). Idaho is a bargain, is the fallback for other states with restrictive management policies, and is getting too much pressure on a limited resource, IMO. Plus, double resident tag prices. It has been a long time since we have had an increase. Judging by the number of long range sniper set ups and $20,000 UTV?s all over the place, residents can afford to pay more for tags.
 
Yep, Jetsled. And I'm encouraged things are moving that way. Nonresidents think they're entitled to a tag and provide so much value to the state with their tag amount. Pretty soon they'll be excited to get any nonresident elk tag in the west and begging to put their money down. States are getting better at maintaining revenue and not having over the counter nonresident tags.

I wish the resident tags were $200+ and you had to buy them six months before to keep resident numbers lower, but that's neither here nor there and unlikely to happen anytime soon.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-03-19 AT 01:21PM (MST)[p]Residents think they are entitled to tags I think it should be $500 for residents and they all have to plant brush and hunt coyotes and check in with idhikker to see if that's ok
 
Dem Reseedents are really livin da highlife.

Liven in da moldy single wide.

Sellin da fire wood.

Congrats on da knew car in da yard yu all.
 
Man, that sure escalated in a hurry... l guess while the knife?s in might as well give her a twist. How about a points system?
 
Hey Guys, I know this is an annual ritual and all. But I just want to point out that not a single non resident tag in any western state is sold without the FULL permission and support of that state's division of wildlife. Not one single tag.

So before going to war with every non-resident over their tag purchases or over YOUR state's allocation policies that you see as unfair, perhaps take it up locally. As non-residents have no say in your local rulemaking, it seems illogical to fight the battle that way and to fly off the handle at every statement. In this particular case, these statements were criticizing the performance of a web site of all things... so it really seems unjustified to get this heated.

Also, I plan to be out there next fall hunting elk and would prefer you keep an open mind about people like me. I come in peace.
 
> Plus, double resident tag
>prices. It has been a
>long time since we have
>had an increase. Judging by
>the number of long range
>sniper set ups and $20,000
>UTV?s all over the place,
>residents can afford to pay
>more for tags.

And just to give credit where credit is due, idhiker, idbulls and jetsled all seem to agree that resident prices are too low and availability too liberal. So it's not like they are just 1-sided. It's not reasonable to tell them to pay the NR cost or burn tags, but they SHOULD make their feelings known to the DOW. I suspect some (not all, but some) of their own neihbors might want to burn them at the stake though....

I do think that if the "spread" between resident tag costs and NR tag costs was closer, and if NR tags were limited to 10-15% of the resident pool, there would be a lot less serious fighting. I can appreciate residents not wanting to see every other car as a NR, and I can certainly relate to the "chip" on the NR shoulder of having to pay 10 to 20X the cost (I don't actually MIND paying the cost, just agree that resident prices are too low in most places too). I also think that due to population growth, nobody, resident or nonresident should expect to be able to hunt elk every year, except maybe a resident cow tag if herd can support it for sustenance purposes only (perhaps an economic test is needed).
 
>Judging by
>the number of long range
>sniper set ups and $20,000
>UTV?s all over the place,
>residents can afford to pay
>more for tags.


Payday loans and gap insurance are a beautiful thing.

Idaho really is a bargain, even with this upcoming fee hike for NR's. If you don't think Idaho is a bargain, you probably also struggle at finding deer in unit 39. Strong correlation.
 
It's not a problem with seeing every other vehicle be a non resident...take a drive up Hayden Creek in unit 29 in September. You will see 15-20 camps, not a single one from Idaho. Used to be great hunting, just too many flat brimmed, Sitka wearing, go-pro YouTube heroes doing the ?diy, otc!? ?
 
after reading this is sounds like we have ourselves a bunch of Idaho only hunters and they never venture outta state.I couldnt imagine hunting only 1 state a year.
 
>
>Idaho really is a bargain, even
>with this upcoming fee hike
>for NR's. If you don't
>think Idaho is a bargain,
>you probably also struggle at
>finding deer in unit 39.
>Strong correlation.

True statement LOL ?
Also resident tag prices are fine.... non resident needs to go up, tag allocation for everyone should go down. You guys do understand that the success rate on killing an elk is really low right.... and yes IDFG management practices are subpar..... also Idaho is not MT or WY so please stop referencing to our neighboring states....
Matt


Wack'em and Stack'em
 
A lot of these Idaho folks can't buy their groceries without the state's help much less hunt another state.
Sad butt true.

Thank god when they hunt Idaho they are hunting roads and staring at other truck license plates.
 
>A lot of these Idaho folks
>can't buy their groceries without
>the state's help much less
>hunt another state.
>Sad butt true.
>
>Thank god when they hunt Idaho
>they are hunting roads and
>staring at other truck license
>plates.


Gee, makes you wonder where the disdain for nonresidents stems from. I had mixed feelings about the proposals going in front of the legislature to raise prices and force unit/zone nr quotas. Not so much anymore. Jack those prices up and cut the tags.
 
Yep. I'm done after this thread and another on a different site. Forget ungrateful nonresidents. I'll make my opinion known with the fish and game personnel that I'm on a first name basis with as well.
 
Oh no!!!!!! Please don't tell him that you don't like non residents, no one meant to hurt your feelings, please give us all one more chance, we promise we will be grateful
 
What'll be classic is when they cap all the zones at 10% of resident numbers and all the whiney as NR hunters get to experience the Middle Fork/Selway/Northern Panhandle zones as fallback areas. 13 days and 1 elk spotted 2 drainages away. That's the only zones that will have tags available. Unfortunate for many of the grateful, respectful, ole boy, NR hunters who have spent 30 years in the hills here....
 
Lol, not mad at all bud. Just disappointed it's more and more bro's like you ruining the Idaho threads. Go troll on the Utah section.
 
I hunt there every year myself bud, I get tired of self righteous hypocrites like yourself, it's cool if you don't hunt other states, but don't be a drama queen, you and that clown idhikker that asks for advice in Wyoming but cries that people hunt idaho that aren't from Idaho. Grow up!!
 
>A lot of these Idaho folks
>can't buy their groceries without
>the state's help much less
>hunt another state.
>Sad butt true.
>
>Thank god when they hunt Idaho
>they are hunting roads and
>staring at other truck license
>plates.


And brilliant highly educated folks like yourself don't even know how to spell.....
 
Cooper has the intelligence and comprehension of a 4th grader. Just ignore him and he'll shut up at some point.
 
Idaho residents are getting fed up with nonresidents. Fish and Game is listening. Nonresident hunting in all western states should be limited and people should be grateful to get a tag not feel entitled. I

If I'm a nonresident hunting Idaho I'd want to be careful running my mouth.

If Wyoming lowers the nonresident tag allocation I will understand and not throw a fit. If I get a tag I'll thank my lucky stars.
 
I hope you change your mind on telling on us non residents to your game and fish friends, if we weren't friends, I'd be beside myself.
 
Everyone chill. To all my hunting brothers out there just wanted to interject that I'm still proud to be an AMERICAN, first and foremost. Hope you all are too. Hard to tell sometimes.
 
Guys like IDhiker and jetsled show just how hypocritical they are on threads like these. One the one hand, they despise NR's coming in to hunt "their" game. In the next breath, they claim that Residents of the state need that game to subsist because they're so poor they can't afford to go to the store and want resident tag prices to stay low. They'll be the first ones bitching when IDFG raises Resident tag prices if NR quotas go down. How dare they!! Claiming to be on a "first-name basis" with IDFG is laughable. My guess is they cringe every time you call because of your ridiculous uneducated rants.
 
Mallard, so you didn't read the thread?

We are happy to pay more as residents to limit nonresident opportunity. Speaking for myself I'm not poor or uneducated. I have a doctorate degree and love to study and research.

I do not have disdain generally for nonresidents. I think there should be some opportunity for them. As stated clearly above, nonresident opportunity should be limited and nonresidents should not feel entitled to a tag. This is not a groundbreaking idea. Wyoming and Montana and other states are already doing this.

If people actually read what is stated and comprehended that, it would be a good start.
 
Been a member on this site for a bit.... now I remember why I don't post here(for the guys that bitched I don't have a bunch of posts) not sure why people need to name call and put people in a ?class? cuz they are residents of Idaho....
Matt

Wack'em and Stack'em
 
Goldeneyes_Only.....find me one post where I've been hypocritical or ######d about pricing. You wont. Fake news. Everything Idhiker stated is 100% spot on. It's really unfortunate your the face of the NR hunter. Bad look.
 
Man fresh bait works every time.
The Res clowns here choked it down and the blood is pouring out their gills. Even the spelling bait worked..... Butt Mom.
Quit your whining junior.

You guys better head down to the corner mart and buy a prepaid phone card do you can call your wildlife managers quick.

It's pathetic the complete lack of management Idaho and it's residence has practiced the last few years.
Selling 2 tags, allowing the ATV lobbyists to force access, generating revenue at the expense of the herds.
Tags should have been caped long ago.
Get it done.
Make quality hunting the priority.
Quit buying your wife and kids cheap tags and then shooting their does for them.
Wake up!!!!!!
 
>Been a member on this site
>for a bit.... now I
>remember why I don't post
>here(for the guys that bitched
>I don't have a bunch
>of posts) not sure why
>people need to name call
>and put people in a
>?class? cuz they are residents
>of Idaho....
>Matt
>
>Wack'em and Stack'em


My thoughts too
 
>Mallard, so you didn't read the
>thread?
>
>We are happy to pay more
>as residents to limit nonresident
>opportunity. Speaking for myself I'm
>not poor or uneducated. I
>have a doctorate degree and
>love to study and research.
>
>
>I do not have disdain generally
>for nonresidents. I think there
>should be some opportunity for
>them. As stated clearly above,
>nonresident opportunity should be limited
>and nonresidents should not feel
>entitled to a tag. This
>is not a groundbreaking idea.
>Wyoming and Montana and other
>states are already doing
>this.
>
>If people actually read what is
>stated and comprehended that, it
>would be a good start.
>


You say nonresidents shouldn't feel entitled to a tag, but later say to people should read the thread and comprehend. This is what got the thread sideways to begin with. None of us nonresidents ever said anything about being owed or entitled to anything. It was purely a vent session about the stupid website crashing in the middle of the night that we were frustrated about. No disrespect intended here, but if you want people to read the thread, maybe you need to as well.


I've been following this, but haven't posted for a few days because, you know, kids, career, life. Anyway, one thing that gets me is that it doesn't matter that I was raised in Idaho, my family still owns the same land that they settled in the 1800's in Idaho with plenty of family still there, you guys lump all nonresidents together and label us as the problem, but the dude from southern california who has lived in Pocatello for 7 months is fine because he has shiney new idaho plates on his vehicle? Doesn't really make much sense.

We all want better hunting opportunity. We all want more of the mountain to ourselves and we're all willing to pay a little more for it. Maybe the problem is all of your frustrations that are pointed at non residents need to be directed more towards the crap wildlife management.
 
>What'll be classic is when they
>cap all the zones at
>10% of resident numbers and
>all the whiney as NR
>hunters get to experience the
>Middle Fork/Selway/Northern Panhandle zones as
>fallback areas. 13 days and
>1 elk spotted 2 drainages
>away. That's the only zones
>that will have tags available.
>Unfortunate for many of the
>grateful, respectful, ole boy,
>NR hunters who have spent
>30 years in the hills
>here....

yup and Ill keep hunting them and killing elk every year.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-19 AT 04:53AM (MST)[p]>Goldeneyes_Only.....find me one post where I've
>been hypocritical or ######d about
>pricing. You wont. Fake news.
>Everything Idhiker stated is 100%
>spot on. It's really unfortunate
>your the face of the
>NR hunter. Bad look.

I am a NR hunter. I've hunted AZ, NM, WY, MT, OR, IA, WA and UT. Guess that makes me slime. Most serious big game hunters DO hunt states other than their own in addition to the their own. So, your disdain for NR's is extremely hypocritical. The other irony is that many ID residents want things to stay exactly how they are when it comes to management, draws, etc yet the herds and hunting are declining steadily from mismanagement. Much of this is purely the fault of IDFG for pandering to whiney residents who don't want their cheap OTC tags taken away. Should they institute a draw in some units? Absolutely! For both Residents and NR's! With the increase in population in ID, some units just can't withstand the pressure and harvest resulting from OTC tags anymore. I hate to see it but I also prefer to see healthy herd numbers and have a quality hunt where I'm not dodging thousands of hunters on ATV's everywhere I go.
 
exactly! I could not imagine hunting just my home state. I can barely refer to someone who hunts 1 state a serious hunter.
 
Hey, guys who can't read well: many Idaho residents, including posters here, hunt other states as well.

The major point made by me and others is that nonresident opportunity in Idaho should be limited, not wiped away completely.

I go hunt Wyoming, Utah, etc. and I'm at their mercy to determine when to give nonresidents tags and they're not OTC for good reason.

Idaho is following the path of many other western states in limiting nonresident OTC opportunity. Nothing shocking. Not sad to see some of the nonresident idiots here not be able to waltz into Walmart and buy a tag over the counter.
 
Someone suggested that residents buy the non-resident tags at face value and burn them. based upon the fact that left over tags sell out to residents, I would suggest that if they gave the residents the first opportunity at non-resident tags, few non-residents would get the chance to hunt in Idaho.
 
>Someone suggested that residents buy the
>non-resident tags at face value
>and burn them. based upon
>the fact that left over
>tags sell out to residents,
>I would suggest that if
>they gave the residents the
>first opportunity at non-resident tags,
>few non-residents would get the
>chance to hunt in Idaho.
>


I think that's an accurate assumption.
 
>Hey, guys who can't read well:
>many Idaho residents, including posters
>here, hunt other states as
>well.
>
>The major point made by me
>and others is that nonresident
>opportunity in Idaho should be
>limited, not wiped away completely.
>
>
>I go hunt Wyoming, Utah, etc.
>and I'm at their mercy
>to determine when to give
>nonresidents tags and they're not
>OTC for good reason.
>
>Idaho is following the path of
>many other western states in
>limiting nonresident OTC opportunity. Nothing
>shocking. Not sad to see
>some of the nonresident idiots
>here not be able to
>waltz into Walmart and buy
>a tag over the counter.
>

You keep mentioning that people don't read well or that people should reread the thread, but your the one who keeps saying nonresidents are whining about not getting tags. That was never the point. Take your own advice and reread the first ten posts. This whole thing was about a crap website and system for buying the tags, not about not getting a tag.
 
I am a resident that hunts many different states as well. I do not have disdain for the NR hunter at all. I realize the importance that NR hunters have not only on income for the Fish and Game, but in dollars spent in local communities as well. Education is the key here, and I believe everyone must educate themselves and look at things from all perspectives. I am not sure how many people have actually studied the facts on NR numbers, NR contributions, NR License sales, NR Tag Sales, Etc. That information is all out there for those looking and was taken out of the directors FY 2018 report.

Here are some interesting numbers on deer and elk tag sales. The total sales numbers include youth and adult tags, and I have broken out those numbers for your perusal.

NR Elk Tag sales adult only: 16,666 (includes controlled)
NR Elk Tag sales Youth and Adult: 16,864
Non Resident total elk tag sales in dollars youth and adult FY 2018: $6,953,425

Resident Elk Tag Sales adult only: 80,053 (includes controlled, depredation, and Super)
Resident Elk Tag Sales Adult and Youth: 86,147
Resident total elk tag sales in dollars youth and adult FY 2018: $2,562,180

NR Deer tag Adult sales (controlled, outfitted, whitetail, super, and the resident purchase of NR deer tags): 18,636
NR total youth and adult deer tags including all tags above: 22,339
Non-Resident total deer sales in dollars FY 2018: $5,711,359

Resident Deer tag Adult sales (controlled, outfitted, whitetail, super, and depredation): 99,852
Resident total youth and adult deer tags including all tags above: 137,633
Resident total deer sales in dollars FY 2018: $2,378,223

I have not included total sales of Hunt licenses, both Resident and Non-Resident. Same with Fishing. Other tag sales, ie fish tags, wolf, cougar, bear, turkey, OIL, etc.

I believe this information should enlighten, and maybe some arguments adjusted.
 
Thank you for that.
I don't have a piece of paper that says I'm an educated genius but it's easy to see Idaho is selling out it's herd.
Even a Blindnonresident could see that years ago.

Furthermore Idaho should be managing unit by unit because they all are different.

Get it right or loose the resource.
 
Back to original post, f&g seems like they will go to great lengths to keep zone tags from reverting to controlled hunts. Residents have similar frustrations with sawtooth tag. I don't know if they can break nonresidents off a zone tag and offer it as resident only? The July quarterly meeting leads me to believe changes are coming for nonresidents. I don't know if your looking at deer zones with caps or all controlled hunts for nonresidents? Follow the f&g website and comment on proposals as they come out. Not as fun as trolling but more effective.

Satisfied Resident hunter!
 
>Back to original post, f&g seems
>like they will go to
>great lengths to keep zone
>tags from reverting to controlled
>hunts. Residents have similar frustrations
>with sawtooth tag. I don't
>know if they can break
>nonresidents off a zone tag
>and offer it as resident
>only? The July quarterly meeting
>leads me to believe changes
>are coming for nonresidents. I
>don't know if your looking
>at deer zones with caps
>or all controlled hunts for
>nonresidents? Follow the f&g website
>and comment on proposals as
>they come out. Not as
>fun as trolling but more
>effective.
>
>Satisfied Resident hunter!


Why would you break off a zone tag and offer it to Residents only?
 
"You" I think the f&g is looking to respond to all the comments they got about crowding. If they put a cap on all the zone tags and demand was high that would exacerbate the website issues stated in original post. I'm not trying to change anything. I follow the issue and foresee something happening in regards to original post and comment period on crowding last summer. If they try to limit number of nonresident how are they proposing to do it? I think we will see some proposals coming
 
Ok, got it. Making any one area resident specific would only exacerbate the problem. I think they need to come up with "numbers per zone" and sell that amount of NR tags per zone. I think it should be more than 10% but not more than 20% because of the financial impact to Idaho. Just an idea, probably popular with some, not with others. As far as the system "crashing". That's a hardware issue. The vendor should put more money into their hardware if they want to continue to sell for Idaho.
 
I spoke with F&G, they are changing Vendors. Price's will increase for NR, and OTC zone/areas will have quota's for NR. F&G feels that some Nonresidents will stop coming to Idaho if they can't get a certain zone/tag because they are sold out, so the increase in tags will offset fewer NR coming to Idaho. Just what one of the Managers from F&G told me a couple weeks ago. It still has to go through the Legislative, but he said they are very confident it will pass.
 
>I spoke with F&G, they are
>changing Vendors. Price's will
>increase for NR, and OTC
>zone/areas will have quota's for
>NR. F&G feels that
>some Nonresidents will stop coming
>to Idaho if they can't
>get a certain zone/tag because
>they are sold out, so
>the increase in tags will
>offset fewer NR coming to
>Idaho. Just what one
>of the Managers from F&G
>told me a couple weeks
>ago. It still has
>to go through the Legislative,
>but he said they are
>very confident it will pass.
>


Good to know. Thanks.
 
>I spoke with F&G, they are
>changing Vendors. Price's will
>increase for NR, and OTC
>zone/areas will have quota's for
>NR. F&G feels that
>some Nonresidents will stop coming
>to Idaho if they can't
>get a certain zone/tag because
>they are sold out, so
>the increase in tags will
>offset fewer NR coming to
>Idaho. Just what one
>of the Managers from F&G
>told me a couple weeks
>ago. It still has
>to go through the Legislative,
>but he said they are
>very confident it will pass.
>
Now, there's a classic example of IDFG mismanagement of the resource in order to avoid losing $$. Let's issue more tags and take more of the animals when the numbers are already suffering just so that we can appease the whiney Residents and avoid losing NR $. x(
How dare you come on here Dan and dispel all hiker's myths with facts and figures. ;-) Of course, there's always the "planting Sagebrush" thing.(this site needs an eye-roll emoticon)
We'll see what happens and what IDFG actually does and I could be wrong but I suspect if more units go to a draw and there are no opportunities to hunt OTC for a NR, much fewer NR's will apply and IDFG will lose more revenue than they are projecting. Meanwhile, with the increase in tags and harvest, areas will be more crowded and success rates will drop leading to more NR's(and residents too) saying screw it, it ain't worth the cost of the license to apply when I don't get anything for it(i.e. PP)
 
There needs to be a quota on residents as well. Small units are getting hammered. Too long of seasons and I've got elk around with blown off legs, guts hanging out from bad shots.
When someone can run around in a truck and shoot at elk for 4 straight months in a small unit, while they are trying to get to winter grounds, that's a bad, bad deal. Makes me sick!!
Same goes for deer. 3 months of deer getting chased around well into winter.
Idaho is a shiz show. Mismanagement from the top down.
Wyoming has it together. Not only is the website easy to use, but game is managed properly along with illegal ATV use.
 
That's a lot of $$$ from NR's.

I think we would all benefit from the cap being raised to 15% and resident prices being raised $10 to $20.

I hate to ever suggest a point system, due to slippery slopes, but I wonder what the figures would be to implement one for NR's only, like WY. WY seems less strapped for cash and they are able to do many things that just simply make sense in their management.
 
>That's a lot of $$$ from
>NR's.
>
>I think we would all benefit
>from the cap being raised
>to 15% and resident prices
>being raised $10 to $20.
>
>
>I hate to ever suggest a
>point system, due to slippery
>slopes, but I wonder what
>the figures would be to
>implement one for NR's only,
>like WY. WY seems less
>strapped for cash and they
>are able to do many
>things that just simply make
>sense in their management.

I agree to an extent. I could possibly get behind a GENERAL elk and deer point system. Something so that the guy that loves a zone, or unit, can get a tag every other year. I know some NR friends that were very frustrated by the Dec. 1 tag sale system.
 
"""""There needs to be a quota on residents as well. Small units are getting hammered. Too long of seasons and I've got elk around with blown off legs, guts hanging out from bad shots.
When someone can run around in a truck and shoot at elk for 4 straight months in a small unit, while they are trying to get to winter grounds, that's a bad, bad deal. Makes me sick!!
Same goes for deer. 3 months of deer getting chased around well into winter.
Idaho is a shiz show. Mismanagement from the top down.
Wyoming has it together. Not only is the website easy to use, but game is managed properly along with illegal ATV use.""""""


100% correct!!!
The animals never get a break.
It's a joke.
 
>"""""There needs to be a quota
>on residents as well. Small
>units are getting hammered. Too
>long of seasons and I've
>got elk around with blown
>off legs, guts hanging out
>from bad shots.
>When someone can run around in
>a truck and shoot at
>elk for 4 straight months
>in a small unit, while
>they are trying to get
>to winter grounds, that's a
>bad, bad deal. Makes me
>sick!!
>Same goes for deer. 3 months
>of deer getting chased around
>well into winter.
>Idaho is a shiz show. Mismanagement
>from the top down.
>Wyoming has it together. Not only
>is the website easy to
>use, but game is managed
>properly along with illegal ATV
>use.""""""
>
>
>100% correct!!!
>The animals never get a break.
>
>It's a joke.


Not sure which elk zones/units you are referring to. I can't think of any that allow 4 months of hunting? 3 months of hunting deer? In which units? I would like to see some more targeted management as well. Also would like to see the pandering to the ranchers and big money payouts end as well.
 
I'll give you one example with a herd that is in decline. 39 is open from 8/15-11/30 and because of it's proximity to the Boise metro, gets hammered nearly every day of those 3+ mos.
 
>When someone can run around in
>a truck and shoot at
>elk for 4 straight months
>in a small unit

The guys shooting at elk from trucks are doing just that, shooting TOWARDS elk. They don't actually hit elk... And even the more opportunistic elk units only have 4 weeks of archery and 3 weeks of rifle. With a 10 day break.

I do agree regarding unit 39, they get a ##### load of pressure as you mentioned, from late summer to November. But even despite that pressure, there are more than enough deer in unit 39, and a few big bucks around.
 
>I'll give you one example with
>a herd that is in
>decline. 39 is open
>from 8/15-11/30 and because of
>it's proximity to the Boise
>metro, gets hammered nearly every
>day of those 3+ mos.
>


Not to argue this to death, but to be clear, 39 is not hunted continuously from August 15 to November 30th. There is a controlled hunt from Aug. 15 to Sept. 30. It is a huge unit so the 199 tags aren't that many in a unit that size. Then it opens for a general hunt from Oct. 10 to the 31 (10 day break), then again a late season archery hunt from the 15th to the 30th of November (15 day break). The late season archery hunt has a success rate of about 8%. There is either sex tags as well during October, and some youth extra tags in December. Overall though, I would say that 39 is the least worrisome unit. Other areas are doing far worse than 39. But, I'd still like to see the 1500 either sex tags go away.
 
First time I hunted 39 was 1992 and part of season was either sex on the general tag. They have always had some antlerless hunting in that unit. Not like they have to go far to survey that herd, pressure sucks but I don't hear to many people that feel it's in trouble.
 
10 and 15 day breaks are not "breaks" per se. Deer do not get comfortable again during short periods of no hunting like that. Ask anyone who's hunted 39 for 10 yrs whether they think the herd has seen a dramatic decline. Much of this was due to the winter kill a few yrs ago but that doesn't mean IDFG shouldn't take that into consideration when setting seasons and tag allocations to limit the harvest and pressure on rutting class bucks to allow the herd to recover.
We are digressing from the original post of the thread. But, the point is that it's not necessarily NR's that are doing the most damage to game in this state. It's our own F&G pandering to whiney residents and lining their coffers at the expense of the game.
 
>>When someone can run around in
>>a truck and shoot at
>>elk for 4 straight months
>>in a small unit
>
>The guys shooting at elk from
>trucks are doing just that,
>shooting TOWARDS elk. They don't
>actually hit elk... And even
>the more opportunistic elk units
>only have 4 weeks of
>archery and 3 weeks of
>rifle. With a 10 day
>break.
>
>I do agree regarding unit 39,
>they get a ##### load
>of pressure as you mentioned,
>from late summer to November.
>But even despite that pressure,
>there are more than enough
>deer in unit 39, and
>a few big bucks around.
>

They hit elk... in the asz, legs, guts.. here is the latest cow elk I watched get her leg blown in half by a POS who never followed up after he hit her. I tracked her all night and found her the next day. I don't have a tag and was not legal in finishing her off. She was just one of the many I watched die from the unethical lawbreaking ?hunters?.
The POS that shot her ran like a puss after he noticed he was being watched chasing the herd down in his truck off road on BLM.
Add in all the trespassing and poaching, it's a disaster.
As for some not being aware of units that are open for 4 months of elk and 3 months is deer obviously don't look at units in the Butte, Custer and Lemhi counties.
Look under the Lemhi A tag as well as the Whitetail deer tags for central Idaho. Not northern Idaho.

Saw one guy shoot a doe with twins on a public road just last week. Absolutely sick.

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"""Not sure which elk zones/units you are referring to. I can't think of any that allow 4 months of hunting? 3 months of hunting deer? In which units? I would like to see some more targeted management as well. Also would like to see the pandering to the ranchers and big money payouts end as well."""

Some just don't get it.

I guess it's time to come out of the closet.
My family owns a large cattle ranch in the middle of some of Idaho's most hunted country. The pathetic disrespect of the wildlife we have observed is off the charts. Seasons are too long, access too easy, and technology too great.

If you don't think these animals are hounded all fall and winter you are confused. Our phone never quits ringing, "hunters" never quit trespassing, and regardless of the fact we support the herds with thousands of acres of pivot irrigated alfalfa......... we support less wildlife harvest.(A stance that costs us in lost ranch income due to fence and crop damage.)
Ask any rancher the current wildlife trend direction.
Even a dumb farmer knows.............Over harvest.

Idaho better do something quick.
If they don't...........the locals just might shoot the last spike.
 
>As for some not being aware
>of units that are open
>for 4 months of elk
>and 3 months is deer
>obviously don't look at units
>in the Butte, Custer and
>Lemhi counties.
>Look under the Lemhi A tag
>as well as the Whitetail
>deer tags for central Idaho.
>Not northern Idaho.

Nobody's talking about whitetails. Whitetail populations are not struggling and are not traditionally native to central Idaho, especially in the large numbers that currently exist there. This is why there is a very liberal season for them in central and southern Idaho. It's by design to hunt whitetails that long and honestly it still isn't working. Whitetails are thriving in Idaho. They honestly should offer more whitetail opportunity.
 
Laugh out loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup no one is talking about whitetails.

Sell 2 tags and increase the harvest.

Hunt them and re-hunt them!!!

Compete with the coyotes, lions, and cougars for deer.

Kill em all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
>"""Not sure which elk zones/units you
>are referring to. I can't
>think of any that allow
>4 months of hunting? 3
>months of hunting deer? In
>which units? I would like
>to see some more targeted
>management as well. Also would
>like to see the pandering
>to the ranchers and big
>money payouts end as well."""
>
>
>Some just don't get it.
>
>I guess it's time to come
>out of the closet.
>My family owns a large cattle
>ranch in the middle of
>some of Idaho's most hunted
>country. The pathetic disrespect of
>the wildlife we have observed
>is off the charts. Seasons
>are too long, access too
>easy, and technology too great.
>
>
>If you don't think these animals
>are hounded all fall and
>winter you are confused. Our
>phone never quits ringing, "hunters"
>never quit trespassing, and regardless
>of the fact we support
>the herds with thousands of
>acres of pivot irrigated alfalfa.........
>we support less wildlife harvest.(A
>stance that costs us in
>lost ranch income due to
>fence and crop damage.)
>Ask any rancher the current wildlife
>trend direction.
>Even a dumb farmer knows.............Over harvest.
>
>
>Idaho better do something quick.
>If they don't...........the locals just might
>shoot the last spike.

You must not keep up with Idaho politics too much for being a rancher here, but all the new hunts added in Idaho this year were by landowner/rancher/farmer request. Hunters and sportsmen opposed adding the thousands of general and controlled elk tags to central Idaho, but it was done anyway because money talks.

Killing bucks and bulls doesn't hurt a population near as much as killing does and cows. That's exactly the hunts that are being pushed by ranchers and landowners. They would love it if the deer and elk were exterminated because they are cutting into their bottom line. Forget the fact that they chose to put a ranch/farm right in the middle of elk and deer winter ground.

Brush up on your research before you start acting like ranchers and landowners aren't a part of the problem. Each year Idaho pays more and more in depredation funds and that government welfare needs to end.
 
>Laugh out loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Yup no one is talking about
>whitetails.
>
>Sell 2 tags and increase the
>harvest.
>
>Hunt them and re-hunt them!!!
>
>Compete with the coyotes, lions, and
>cougars for deer.
>
>Kill em all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Tell me one population of whitetails in Idaho that is struggling.

I'll save you the time, there aren't any. Whitetails are booming in Idaho.

If they are growing like rabbits and competing with the animals that are native to these areas and struggling, mule deer, it makes sense to hunt them liberally.
 
St Maries population way down this year.
All forms of predator numbers multiplying like crazy.
Including hunters.

Mule deer and whitetails are competing for space now??
Good lord.

Once again the main competitor in Idaho for space to both species is man.

Log it, spray it, pave it.
Carry on.
 
I'm curious since you said your family owns a large ranch in a prime elk area is this ranch one that receives crop depredation money from F&G?
 

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