FCFS changes

oilcan

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Not sure if this has been discussed but looks like there is a pretty significant change in the FCFS process this year. On the site it says you can only add 1 hunt to your cart per 7 days. So if you snatch it up real quick and decide that’s not what you wanted you’re pretty much screwed for a week, it could possibly leave them up for a tick longer unless it is one of the real premium tags. Personally I like it.
 

trimtab473

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These things tend to get better over time. Anyone remember how much of a nightmare NDOW's tag site was when they came out with it a few years ago? Now I dont think twice about it. Time to start the tag watching! Already told the misses to clear the schedule this evening so I can sit and watch.
 

eshunt

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Been watching haven’t seen any tags pop up yet.
There's been a couple archery antelope so far that I've seen. Stayed up and available longer than I anticipated. It will be interesting to see how the 1 tag in cart/week will slow things down and make people think a little.
 

johnsd16

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I talked to them last week about some issues with my account and they said last year the avg time a tag spent on FCFS was 2 seconds and this year it was 8 seconds. It seems like it stays on though through auto refreshes but really isn’t there, not exactly sure. Between a me and a buddy we’ve seen a few pronghorn and one cow elk archery tags.
 

Firedad

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I drew tags so I’ve only been looking out of curiosity but haven’t seen anything pop up. Granted, only being curious, I haven’t been watching like a hawk like I was last year.
 

Coolio17

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I wonder how many people are logged in to FCFS “fishing” for tags at any given time.

I think you pretty much have to just leave it open and stare at the screen waiting for something to pop up.

I did this a week ago and finally saw something (I don’t think I will try this year to pick up anything). It was a junior tag and stayed up for maybe ten minutes, but I don’t think there was any way it truly was available for ten minutes.
 

GONHUNTIN

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Saw this one then refreshed then says 2 available

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trimtab473

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Seen one of those ag lands deprecation cow tags last week but decided to pass. 2 other archery deer tags too in the last week or so
 

fullcry

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I think with all the attention this new system drew last year and a couple guys just pounding all the start up issues,most of the problems have been cleaned up. I’m guessing a lot of guys who were playing the tag turn back game have stopped.My guess is you are also going to see a lot less tags available this year.Draw odds are getting so much worse you better be very careful playing with the system. Time will tell
 

BMosh

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I've seen quite a few tags pop up. Mostly archery antelope. However, someone got lucky as a Rifle antelope 041-042 popped up and an archery bull elk tag.
 

doz

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I've seen quite a few tags pop up. Mostly archery antelope. However, someone got lucky as a Rifle antelope 041-042 popped up and an archery bull elk tag.
****.. I've been on the girlfriends account trying to get her ALW Antelope. I know they will start coming but not many so far.
 

Sparks Shooter

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I've seen quite a few tags pop up. Mostly archery antelope. However, someone got lucky as a Rifle antelope 041-042 popped up and an archery bull elk tag.
I hope that a 041-042 rifle pronghorn tag didn't pop up. The rules state that tags should go to an alternate if returned more that 14 days before the season starts. 041-042 Early ALW starts on August 22.-----SS
 

oilcan

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I hope that a 041-042 rifle pronghorn tag didn't pop up. The rules state that tags should go to an alternate if returned more that 14 days before the season starts. 041-042 Early ALW starts on August 22.-----SS
It did pop up I saw it , was the early hunt. I was wondering the same thing but I figured not that many made it there first choice and they went through the alternate list.
 

Wiszard

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If you check the alternate box, do you HAVE to take an alternate tag if it is offered? Are you locked in? Otherwise, why wouldn't a guy want to be an alternate?
 

oilcan

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If you check the alternate box, do you HAVE to take an alternate tag if it is offered? Are you locked in? Otherwise, why wouldn't a guy want to be an alternate?
No not locked in.
Possibly if you lived on the East Coast you wouldn’t be able to make the trip on short notice?
 

doz

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I hope that a 041-042 rifle pronghorn tag didn't pop up. The rules state that tags should go to an alternate if returned more that 14 days before the season starts. 041-042 Early ALW starts on August 22.-----SS
14 business days. Started on the 2nd for ALW FCFS.

Horns longer came up but area 1. Too far for me. Also 2 junior tags
 

trimtab473

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If you check the alternate box, do you HAVE to take an alternate tag if it is offered? Are you locked in? Otherwise, why wouldn't a guy want to be an alternate?
You are locked in. Good buddy of mine got an alternate tag in 2019. They don’t call you or anything. You get an email letting you know your card has been charged and your tag is in the mail. If you get it in the mail in time you can turn it back in, but it’s not like you get a phone call asking if you want it. I’m pretty sure that is why they do the 14 business days. I’d be pissed if I woke up to an email telling me my bull points were gone, I’m in a waiting period and the tag was on the way in the mail if the season opened in 3 days but I had already gone out of town on a trip or something.

Of course I’d likely be coming home from the trip early!
 

doz

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You are locked in. Good buddy of mine got an alternate tag in 2019. They don’t call you or anything. You get an email letting you know your card has been charged and your tag is in the mail. If you get it in the mail in time you can turn it back in, but it’s not like you get a phone call asking if you want it. I’m pretty sure that is why they do the 14 business days. I’d be pissed if I woke up to an email telling me my bull points were gone, I’m in a waiting period and the tag was on the way in the mail if the season opened in 3 days but I had already gone out of town on a trip or something.

Of course I’d likely be coming home from the trip early!
Finally someone who understands why the system is setup this way.
 

trimtab473

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Finally someone who understands why the system is setup this way.
Don’t get me wrong. You auto sell me a bull tag and I’m coming home from my ski trip early, but what if you had left the country or something, it can become a logistical nightmare for the alternate
 

mevertsen

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If you check the alternate box, do you HAVE to take an alternate tag if it is offered? Are you locked in? Otherwise, why wouldn't a guy want to be an alternate?
Yes you are locked in.

If you check the alternate box and your first choice tag pops up, it automatically charges your card on file.

There could be plenty whonhad the hunt as their first choice and didn't check the alternate box.

I don't check the alternate box.
 

Chump

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Would be nice if the tags that pop would be removed after they are picked up at the next refresh, not that they stay around that long, lmao! Was checking my smoker 10 minutes ago and returned to a resident buck archery in 051, pretty damn sure that went poof fast!

Any put anything into their cart yet this year? Curious if they are giving all the tag details now once there? Last year you only saw the species and no other info...crap shoot for unit and equipment!
 

trimtab473

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I’d be in favor of an addition to the alternate box. You should get to choose to be an alternate and also a “last minute” alternate. Alternates work the same way. Last minute alternates you get a tag up to 5 days before the hunt (still have to allow some time for mail). Let people decide what they want their notice to be. If you choose last minute alternate you can’t go back and you are locked in. When your number is charged it’s your tag no matter what.

Anything turned back in after 5 days goes fcfs. But you can also have people say they would take something last minute. Gets more tags to alternates and puts less pressure on relying on fcfs
 

Sparks Shooter

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No tag details once the tag is added to your cart. You have to pay for the tag, then go back to your profile and look at your "Licenses and Permits" to see what you just bought.-----SS
 

marburg

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As few tags as there have been this year I wouldn't be surprised if it goes away once the contract ends. No need to spend a bunch of money to sell 25 tags.
 

Sparks Shooter

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I'd be fine if it went away as long as they found some way to distribute the tags for use. In my opinion, the easiest way would be to expand the alternate program to include anyone who applied for the tag on any of their choices. I guarantee someone from the application pool would be more than glad to have the tag, even on short notice.
This is one thing I think Utah does right. If someone turns in a tag, they start going down the list of people who applied until someone takes the tag. This would also eliminate my pet peeve of selling resident tags to non-residents. -----SS
 

doz

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I'd be fine if it went away as long as they found some way to distribute the tags for use. In my opinion, the easiest way would be to expand the alternate program to include anyone who applied for the tag on any of their choices. I guarantee someone from the application pool would be more than glad to have the tag, even on short notice.
This is one thing I think Utah does right. If someone turns in a tag, they start going down the list of people who applied until someone takes the tag. This would also eliminate my pet peeve of selling resident tags to non-residents. -----SS
I like the suggestion of a check box for late alternate (within 7 days of hunt). But also if you choose that option, there would be no returning of the tag for points/refund.
 

trimtab473

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That’s kind of where I was going with it. Late alternates would be the same as alternates. Just only they get automatically sold a returned tag late leading up to the hunt.

I bet most tags going fcfs aren’t for lack of alternates but the lateness when they are returned. You do the late alternates for residents only. You don’t offer it for non residents. This makes less resident tags go fcfs and the ones that do are non resident tags which can be bought by anyone.

This equates to more happy alternates, less fcfs tags, and the tags sold fcfs can go from non resident hands to resident hands. Everyone is happy. Ndow is happy tags get sold, alternates are happy. Hell even that crazy jdp guy might be happy with that.

Of course this is all a crap shoot idea if we don’t go to the commission with it
 

HEVISHOT

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Imo, one way to eliminate fcfs issues is hunter etiquette. A person knows they are planning on returning a tag. Return the tag before the 14 day deadline so an alternate can get it. Very rarely does an issue come up causing someone to have to return a tag in that 14 day window prior to a hunt starting.
 

Sparks Shooter

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Imo, one way to eliminate fcfs issues is hunter etiquette. A person knows they are planning on returning a tag. Return the tag before the 14 day deadline so an alternate can get it. Very rarely does an issue come up causing someone to have to return a tag in that 14 day window prior to a hunt starting.
I agree with this. I drew too many tags this year and ended up returning a Bighorn Ewe tag just a few days after the results were out. I was happy to hear that the tag was immediately reassigned to an alternate that was thrilled to have it.

Even though it's currently legal, many tag holders spend the entire pre-season scouting, then turn the tag in at the last minute when they don't find the quality that they want. ---SS
 

mevertsen

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Imo, one way to eliminate fcfs issues is hunter etiquette. A person knows they are planning on returning a tag. Return the tag before the 14 day deadline so an alternate can get it. Very rarely does an issue come up causing someone to have to return a tag in that 14 day window prior to a hunt starting.
Agreed.

I did have to return one last year because I was in the hospital with covid. Couldn't hunt. My wife physically took the tag into the Elko office 10 days before the season started. Not much we could do in that situation.

I think putting more stringent requirements on the return possibilities (any reason, medical, death, military, etc), would eliminate a lot of the tags being turned in as well.
 

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