DonVathome
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Just checking it is still permitted to fly with guns & ammo in the same checked bag by TSA and most airlines.
That’s not accurate.No, need to separate firearm and ammo. Ammo needs to be in locked (TSA, lock) container in checked baggage.
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Well, I suppose if you pack your ammo with your gun, then they have the right to inspect the ammo outside of your presence, don't they...You do NOT have to use a TSA lock on the gun case. I have NEVER used one. You have them inspect the GUNS in your presence and then lock the case with YOUR lock (not a TSA lock). They don’t have the right to unlock and inspect your guns outside of your presence.
If you pack the AMMO separately from the guns, or lock your LUGGAGE, it would need to be locked with a TSA lock because they don’t inspect that in your presence. And they have the right to do so outside your presence.
from the TSA site:
“Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations. You may use any brand or type of lock to secure your firearm case, including TSA-recognized locks”
here is the link to the whole set of regs:
If you lock your gun case with a TSA lock, any employee can open it during transit. I have heard of that happening, and the result was not good for your guns.
That may be, but I’m will never send my guns with a TSA lock on them. If they cut it, they are breaking their own rules. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but I will take my chances with my lockWell,
YOU may know the law.But evidently TSA doesn’t and I knowthe flight agents when you check in DONT.
I’ve have several locks removed and replaced with Theirs over the years.
And you ask them questions and nobody knows who or when or were.
They also have the right to detain your luggage suspect to something they deem is questionable...Nope. They have the right to inspect in only in your presence at the same time they inspect your guns if packed together.
That said I have always packed it separately. But with the Tuffpack, would prob put it in same locked case
it’s only when they don’t have a chance to inspect it in your presence (in a checked luggage bag) that you need a TSA lock on it.
Yes, they lost our guns in Arkansas and cut the locks off our case.If you transport ammunition with the firearm, the firearm is supposed to be rendered "useless" as in the bolt, slide, or action removed, etc.
TSA lock is so they can get into your case to check after it's been checked. Otherwise, they will destroy the lock. Seen it happen before.
What is your point? If you feel more comfortable putting a TSA lock on your guns, that is your right and power to you. But that is not what the regs say, and I would recommend that everyone stick up for how the regs are written. Neither of us can protect against rogue agents. those will get in whichever lock is there. I choose to believe my own lock will at least stop the casual anti-gunners.Then that means a checked bag of clothing is considered your home as well. If the TSA wants in, they'll get in no matter what the "law" says. They'll just get an actual LEO assigned to airport security to accompany them. They'll refer to it as reasonable doubt...
Any TSA agent I've had dealings with are nothing more than a mall cop or gate security on steroids.
Bingo!I agree that TSA agents don't know the rules. Every airport seems to be different. I always put my own lock on the gun case and I have never had an issue. Like TX said, that's what the rules are, that's what you are supposed to do. You can put ammo in checked bags with your clothing and it doesn't have to be locked. I never put locks on my checked bags. If they want my dirty underwear they can have it and I'm not putting my Swarovskis in the checked luggage.
In the US you can have ammo in the gun case. In this case it will be locked with your lock along with the guns. The last time I flew to Canada I had to collect my luggage, go through customs and immigration, and check back in for my next flight. They made me take the ammo out of the gun case.
At my home airport they tell me to sign the card that says it isn't loaded, put it in the gun case and lock it. They never inspect anything. Two years ago I left Grand Junction and they told me to give them the gun case and the locks(unlocked) and they would inspect it and put the locks on it. At different places I have done all different things. They have made me go with them to a big X-ray machine. They have made me wait while they took the guns out and pulled all the foam out.
When I get back to my home airport my gun case just comes up the conveyor with all the other luggage. Some places I have to go to the luggage office and show ID. Sometimes I have found it sitting in the oversize luggage area.
What is your point?
Politely make them play by their rules.You first...