How To Bring Does Back #2

[slamdunk]

Since these last couple threads have exploded, I figured I may as well hit on a new possible theory with a new thread.

We've mentioned various threats our deer herds are facing and no doubt all of them are a factor, but after giving it more thought and gathering a little additional intel, I want to move Ranching up on the list of possible negatives.

In a previous thread I mentioned the story of a Rancher down on the Boulder last year whom contacted the Division several times about deer getting into his hay.
He claims after several failed attempts, he took matters into his own hands and slaughtered over a hundred deer with a spotlight and an AR-15 in one night.
Can we even fathom the impact that has on a unit already suffering a decline in numbers?
To simplify it-
100 deer @75 does and 25 bucks.
It's safe to assume 50 of those does were pregnant, 20 of the 50 are twins for an additional 70 deer dead.
170 dead deer (assuming my math is correct of course)!
Thats pretty damn scary if you ask me.

My son was working in Monroe today and asked a Rancher how the deer are looking and if he gets many on his property during winter.
The Rancher told him the majority of the deer go into his neighbors corn fields and they get killed by either the Rancher or the Division for damage control.

This makes me have to wonder how many deer are actually killed in the name of "Depredation" and how does this factor in all the studies being done on predators, highway mortality, human encroachment, loss of habitat, etc, etc and is it even measured?

 

[SS!]

3,356.

 

[southernutahhunter]

I have wondered the same thing. How many deer are getting killed each year by land owners? It does not take many each year when the herd is already struggling

 

[slamdunk]

I have wondered the same thing. How many deer are getting killed each year by land owners? It does not take many each year when the herd is already struggling

Ranch depredation might be a bigger piece of the puzzle than we realize, we rarely ever hear about it other than stats on deperdation draw tags.

 

[southernutahhunter]

I agree. Do we even know how many landowner tags are given to the land owner? Maybe case by case situation but it may be doing some serious damage to the deer herd, especially the doe and fawn crop.

 

[travishunter3006]

***Depredation

 

[mtnrunner260]

This would be a great GRAMA request

 

[schoolhousegrizz]

Since these last couple threads have exploded, I figured I may as well hit on a new possible theory with a new thread.

We've mentioned various threats our deer herds are facing and no doubt all of them are a factor, but after giving it more thought and gathering a little additional intel, I want to move Ranching up on the list of possible negatives.

In a previous thread I mentioned the story of a Rancher down on the Boulder last year whom contacted the Division several times about deer getting into his hay.
He claims after several failed attempts, he took matters into his own hands and slaughtered over a hundred deer with a spotlight and an AR-15 in one night.
Can we even fathom the impact that has on a unit already suffering a decline in numbers?
To simplify it-
100 deer @75 does and 25 bucks.
It's safe to assume 50 of those does were pregnant, 20 of the 50 are twins for an additional 90 deer dead.
170 dead deer (assuming my math is correct of course)!
Thats pretty damn scary if you ask me.

My son was working in Monroe today and asked a Rancher how the deer are looking and if he gets many on his property during winter.
The Rancher told him the majority of the deer go into his neighbors corn fields and they get killed by either the Rancher or the Division for damage control.

This makes me have to wonder how many deer are actually killed in the name of "Deperdation" and how does this factor in all the studies being done on predators, highway mortality, human encroachment, loss of habitat, etc, etc and is it even measured?

That makes me sick! They need to come up with a solution quick!

 

[southernutahhunter]

I know there is depredation tags the public can put in for, but I think there are also tags given to landowners for bucks and doe. I might be wrong on this maybe someone could check into it.

 

[SS!]

Meh. The original posters info is just hearsay. Likely it’s a gross exaggeration of an event that likely didn’t happen

 

[Cooper]

Since these last couple threads have exploded, I figured I may as well hit on a new possible theory with a new thread.

We've mentioned various threats our deer herds are facing and no doubt all of them are a factor, but after giving it more thought and gathering a little additional intel, I want to move Ranching up on the list of possible negatives.

In a previous thread I mentioned the story of a Rancher down on the Boulder last year whom contacted the Division several times about deer getting into his hay.
He claims after several failed attempts, he took matters into his own hands and slaughtered over a hundred deer with a spotlight and an AR-15 in one night.
Can we even fathom the impact that has on a unit already suffering a decline in numbers?
To simplify it-
100 deer @75 does and 25 bucks.
It's safe to assume 50 of those does were pregnant, 20 of the 50 are twins for an additional 90 deer dead.
170 dead deer (assuming my math is correct of course)!
Thats pretty damn scary if you ask me.

My son was working in Monroe today and asked a Rancher how the deer are looking and if he gets many on his property during winter.
The Rancher told him the majority of the deer go into his neighbors corn fields and they get killed by either the Rancher or the Division for damage control.

This makes me have to wonder how many deer are actually killed in the name of "Deperdation" and how does this factor in all the studies being done on predators, highway mortality, human encroachment, loss of habitat, etc, etc and is it even measured?

What’s frustrating is that the farmers cattle probably ranged all summer long on BLM forage on pennies on the dollar the price for feed, yet when game animals eat his feed he gets to slaughter animals. Something is wrong with this picture

 

[Elkslayer2015]

Slam I never even thought of this. your right after the 72 hour notice pretty much anything goes deer or elk..

Let me ask you does this landowner get Dep tags for elk as well like bull tags?

 

[hossblur]

Why wasn't he cited for spotlighting? At a minimum.

But I'll each the above point. He wouldn't have all that hay, if he had to feed off his own place, not the mtn

 

[Elkslayer2015]

Why wasn't he cited for spotlighting? At a minimum.

But I'll each the above point. He wouldn't have all that hay, if he had to feed off his own place, not the mtn

The 72 hour notice allows them to spot light....

 

[hossblur]

Use slams math.

170 killed in one temper tantrum.

Then figure how many of those does would have put out fawns for years and years. And how many of those fawns will become does, etc, etc, etc.

That one night could be thousand and thousands.

Now multiply that by all the ranchers pulling that.

And bet your azz, old boy ain't done a single thing to protect his hay. Just shot deer.

 

[Elkslayer2015]

Use slams math.

170 killed in one temper tantrum.

Then figure how many of those does would have put out fawns for years and years. And how many of those fawns will become does, etc, etc, etc.

That one night could be thousand and thousands.

Now multiply that by all the ranchers pulling that.

And bet your azz, old boy ain't done a single thing to protect his hay. Just shot deer.

Hoss now x that number by 100 ranchers this is very interesting

 

[slamdunk]

Use slams math.

170 killed in one temper tantrum.

Then figure how many of those does would have put out fawns for years and years. And how many of those fawns will become does, etc, etc, etc.

That one night could be thousand and thousands.

Now multiply that by all the ranchers pulling that.

And bet your azz, old boy ain't done a single thing to protect his hay. Just shot deer.

......year after year after year

 

[southernutahhunter]

Most of those same fields hold very few deer anymore because the deer are gone, but I wonder if there has ever been a decrease in how many deer they can kill?

 

[slamdunk]

2021 collaring study food for thought

 

[Cooper]

That proves predators are staying full off of deer

 

[diablo]

Coyotes and lions

 

[ELKOHOLIC]

I know where I hunt road kill is a huge issue! I thought about taking a count and reporting on it. Imagine if you could cut that in half! Also, I am surprised at the number of fawns that get caught in the fence on their first trip to the winter range.

 

[Cooper]

I know where I hunt road kill is a huge issue! I thought about taking a count and reporting on it. Imagine if you could cut that in half! Also, I am surprised at the number of fawns that get caught in the fence on their first trip to the winter range.

I’ve also noticed the fawns

 

[slamdunk]

I know where I hunt road kill is a huge issue! I thought about taking a count and reporting on it. Imagine if you could cut that in half! Also, I am surprised at the number of fawns that get caught in the fence on their first trip to the winter range.

Highway mortality is a bigger problem than most realize.
It's hunting bucks, does and fawns 24/7/365

 

[Dangbig]

Road kill predators elk in my unit

 

[Bigwiffy]

What area of Boulder and who was the rancher?

 

[SS!]

What area of Boulder and who was the rancher?

Well since the story is fabricated you can pick both the area and the rancher!