I wonder why

Can u see where I ASKED WHY. Just a simple questions for you.
Come on lets hear how it just my businesses that are hurting because of the product crisis.
People out of work because of it can't pay bills.
Could it be construction kind of helps the whole world go around and around from the buying and selling point.
 
Come on elaborate on things for a change instead of just condemning & blaming Trump for the nations woes. Are you starting to get really WOKE? Are you starting to figure out which party is trying to destroy the economy? You and founder thought Trump was guilty on the impeachment scam..........and made fun of us that tried to tell you two clowns. :cry::cry:
 
40 million people out of work tends to curtail construction. Looking back it worked out well. Democrat Governors would have built more nursing homes and killed off tens of thousands more covid patients.
 
yep reeled in 2 already. So WHY are they(40 million) all out of work.
I will wait and see after the next president get in to see if TRUMP get off scot free. NY still has a list for him too.
So are you saying the whole world plus the Dem got together to ruin trump with the virus. Eel that Construction will help the economy.
 
Gator you are one ignorant fool. Keeping the economy open was in everyone's best interest yet the dems decided you and your tin shed business were nothing but collateral damage. See how much they value your votes?

Since we now know it's treatable in the majority 99% of the cases I guess the jokes on you..........Your grasp on reality is as distorted as your ability to try to think you were baiting us. Why do you think we threw your football back at you........ponder that with you single digit IQ.
 
Lets start with the top line number: 154,000 Covid Deaths
1) I love to check numbers and make sure that they seam reasonable. As I explained in a previous post, in the last weeks 21 we have 183,000 deaths above average. In the last 21 weeks the death rate has increase 16%. That means if this was an average year those 183,000 people would be alive. This is important because if this was a much smaller number say 20,000 then you could argue that the death certificates were just miss classified at the local level as Covid when they were really some other cause.

2) CDC, St Johns Hopkins and an organization worldometer all count US Covid deaths independently and they all have roughly the same number of deaths. The CDC reports out slower, while Worldometer is close to real time but the are in a European time zone. All 3 report roughly 154,000 deaths.

3) Because of the CARES Act, Hospitals are paid an extra 20% to treat patients.

Because of all 3 of these reasons the 154,000 looks to be reasonable. In fact Scientific America looked at the number of deaths and concluded that they are probably UNDER reported.

Next, the number of cases: 4.6 million in the US
1) Again, 3 separate organizations come up with the same count.

2) But this is kind of a BS number. This is the number of people that test positive for covid. What we really need here is how many people actually have covid.

3) There is no way that I know of to double check this in another way to verify this number. Not only does the every day citizen like me have trouble double checking numbers, the organizations counting this up would experience similar issues.

4) As you and other people have reported, there could be some (or many) glitches at the local level that can be interfering with a quality count.

Over all I would look at the 4.6 million cases with some suspicion, these could be off by 5%, 10%, who really knows for sure?

The third number that is important is Mortality Rate:
It is calculated by taking the total number of deaths and dividing by the total number of cases. I am pretty confident in the number of deaths, but I'm very uncertain about the actual total number of cases. But understand this: If the total number of deaths is constant and we decrease the number of cases it will mathematically increase the mortality rate. All 3 numbers work together. As we get better at treating Covid, the mortality rate should decline. If the number of cases increase and we overwhelm our hospitals the mortality rate will increase.

So in total: The total deaths number is probably in the ballpark. The total positive tests is probably inflated, but we don't really have a magnitude of the error. We wish we knew the total number of actual cases instead of positive test. The Mortality Rate will change over time depending on the conditions.

Facts really do help'
THE WHOLE World got the behind the DEM'S for this virus to rock Trump and remove all his good work. Dang those Dem are smart as hell.
 
I'll bet you're still wondering aren't you. Imagine this driving thru more than 6 western states we saw houses being built, roads being worked on, federal bridges being built, apartments being built, high rise buildings being built, and a host of other large and small projects all during the covid. Multi-million dollar projects all funded with federal money and other forms of financing.

It would appear the Democratic powers to be in Washington don't seem to think your tin shed business is an essential business. Why would that be? I'll bet if you increase your campaign donations to the party it will buy you a little more consideration.......

.And you still think Trumps shutting it down......funny how the collateral damage comment keeps floating to the surface.......still wondering? Your party is selling you out trying to damage the economy to hurt Trump not cure covid. It's time to see things for what they really are......If not keep wondering while workers in other states are increasing their market share and making money at your expense. Still wondering?????
 
Gator with your ignorant attitude in supporting the party that is damaging your business, maybe it will be best that you do go under and file bankruptcy. Just then you might be forced to wise up for a change.
RELH
 
Man all that and still 40 million people NOT working.
What you claim to have seen is a drop in the bucket, compared to what has to happen to get it started back up. So are you still wondering WHY the Economy is still in the toilet if everyone you seen is working. My party hell you don't know that I'm NOT a registered Dem, Voted red until your Super Pres.
SORRY I voted for him the first time sure in the hell wouldn't make that mistake again. Your friends might tell you that they are voting for him, BUT they just might start thinking clearer and vote BLUE.
People like you makes alot of guys like me vote for the other guy just so we wouldn't be lumped in with your type of hook, line & sinker voter "blind and dumb". So you are showing that low IQ again.
 
So now you think the party that committed fraud on the American people and shut down the economy is better.......You go gator you sure have a grasp on something other than reality but at least you're clinging to a party that despises a smug little capitalist like you. they'll enjoy raising your taxes to pay for all the guys they have feeding off the system to vote for them off your business profits......Atta boy you'll show us.........GO GATOR!!!!!

Welcome to the new democratic socialist party and if you think they held you down during covid..... you ain't seen nothing yet!!!!

BY THE WAY DONATING YOUR RETIREMENT AND PROFITS TO THE PARTY FOR REDISTRIBUTION MAKE YOU A GOOD COMRADE!!

You tried to suck us in and got caught and that's all your own doing.....
not ours...........:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

Let's face reality Gator I'm your straw man...... the real thing galling you is you bought into the false narrative the dems sold you and now that's all being proven wrong you just can't admit they duped you that bad............we all got duped in this damn mess at one time or another!

Now do we regroup and hold those actually responsible for this travesty accountable of do we try to project the blame like the guys that lied to you did. If you think putting the guys that lied to you into power is the solution......it's you not me that didn't learn a damn thing and that's your cross to bear not mine!
 
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So you are showing that low IQ again.
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Gator my I.Q. is in the section listed as "gifted". I have a funny feeling yours is below that level and your posts proof it.

RELH
 
@Gator I am not trying to be a smart-ass but what point are you trying to make. If I understand you correctly, you are blaming Trump for the virus and the virus caused people to lose jobs and therefore demand for construction is down.

I don't think you can really blame Trump for the virus, and I think Fauci has given really bad advice from both a health and an economic impact of following that advice has been even worse. I don't Democratic govenors have necessarily done a better job handling the virus or the economy in their respective states. I do think the Dems are playing politics and the media is keeping up the narrative to shape a narrative that Biden would be better. If you look at Sweden and really do research on it...they stayed open and their average deaths from the previous year are down 2 to 3%. I think this is a very complex issue, and you have to consider our response from a health, economic and freedom (rights) perspective. I am terrified to think what rights would have been trampled if Hillary Clinton had been president. But I think it requires a larger conversation than would can be said on an online forum.
 
Say Gator if you want to know who's really playing politics with treating people go read my last post over on the it's getting interesting thread. Seems a large medical association of dr's filed suit against the FDA. What you need to know they banned a drug that was approved for 56 years and was proven to lower mortality rates in people with COVID in the early stages. They had hundreds of millions of doses of the drugs in inventory. why did this happen ? politics and money just like always. Seems Trump was actually telling the truth and the AAPS called their bluff on the FDA and the dems banning the drug.
 
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Nice catch EEL it bears out what we've heard from an Dr at Mayo Clinic. Fuzzy math and the resumption of other procedures filling more beds.
 
"Construction" is a vague term. Ill discuss western states

New housing starts and new mortgage apps are pretty strong, especially considering tgecdem governors trying desperately to commit financial suicide.

Commercial construction is slowing, and in my opinion, will crash. Especially in Cali, Oregon, Washington.

I listened to a guy whose business is facilitating medium sized businesses to move locations.
He stated he had about businesses worth billions combined that were currently planning to leave Cali. Business will leave Portland, they will leave Seattle. Combine that with the crash in office space due to telecommute, and commercial construction is going to cool.

I thought the depression was coming. Its been my busiest and best year ever.
 
My year has been like hoss described. Back in the obama years when residential slowed down I built a bunch of pole barns to keep afloat. Past 10 months have been 6-7 days a week with basement frames, decks, additions, remodels, pergolas. I fear what October may bring, but right now the only one trying to slow Colorado's economy down is our idiot democrat governor!
 
No, he's not main stream. Main stream would have us all hiding under our beds and only come out to vote for Democrats every two years.
 
I work in the construction industry, managing an HVAC company. We haven’t has a slow time. We are working 60-70 hour work weeks. Have not seen a slow down at all. EVERY COMPANY around my area is booming.
 
Construction biz is paying as low as $10 an hour for common labor here. I would rather get $2400 a month plus another thousand from the state government. Our construction is doing great and so is my business for high end custom furniture. The rich are building and buying as fast as they can and I don't see the doom and gloom. If you were making $15 an hour before you are home now for a reason. Get rid of the supplement and see how many jobs get filled.
 
Exactly, my electrical business is out of control with more work than I can handle. I have had an active advertisement on Indeed.com looking for electricians since the COVID started and have hired only 1 person. Everyone either wants ridiculous money to come off unemployment or they're burger flippers wanting to expand their horizons.

If you're in construction and you're not busy right now it's probably because you're an ******* and people don't like you. Everyone else that has a good construction business is killing it right now.
 
Exactly, my electrical business is out of control with more work than I can handle. I have had an active advertisement on Indeed.com looking for electricians since the COVID started and have hired only 1 person. Everyone either wants ridiculous money to come off unemployment or they're burger flippers wanting to expand their horizons.

If you're in construction and you're not busy right now it's probably because you're an ******* and people don't like you. Everyone else that has a good construction business is killing it right now.
Yep, same here. Every contractor I know is buried with work.
 
Damn near every democratic run city is sucking hind tit right now, and getting worse. I have applications come through constantly from people who live in Seattle, Portland, California. Republican ran city’s seem to be doing very well. Families are fleeing New York, Portland, Seattle, Baltimore, Chicago, and the entire state of California is crumbling, going from one of the most sought after places to live, to get the hell out of here. I think that speaks for itself. You’re a sheep, and a moron if you are buying what the corrupt media and Democratic Party are selling. How can you seriously vote for Biden, the guy has lost it. Father Time has kicked in, and he is incapable of being president. The hate for Trump is unjustified. He has been great for the USA, that cannot be denied. The economy for all has been incredible. Blaming Trump for covid and a struggling economy is absurd.
 
I didn’t take government money, I was only off work for three weeks and have worked everyday this summer except for two days. I made back the money I lost and my business is doing better than ever working on new kitchens. I like to work, and I like Trump for everything he has done for this country. I love America, I love the flag and I love the national anthem. I understand kneeling before God in church. I‘m tired of the BS, Evan a common man can see through it. What are those flags for Elkass are we being watched, mine is also gone.
 
To try to characterize economic activity based on localized residential construction markets might just be a tiny stretch.

I generally agree with the sediments here that construction, while declining, has fared better than the hospitality and service industries.

They're (for homer) are some concerns emerging in construction though, primarily in the supply chain for foreign sourced materials. Causes are myriad, but transportation bottlenecks (ports/customs) are beginning to cause delays.

Your pipeline of future projects is also being impacted, again for myriad reasons. But lets just admit that while everyone was supposed to be drawing plans and drafting approval packages while they were working from home, they were really fooling around up in the woods with they're (for homer) $1200.

Then their (for homer) are the local goobermental agencies and entities who haven't even checked there (for homer) messages for 4 months, much less meet to approve your permit request.

As for other issues plaguing construction companies at the moment, their (for homer) are labor shortages and productivity issues that are leading to delays and claims.

All of that means that things are slowly grinding to a halt and we better get back to work.

But the biggest take away that nobody will remember is that the segment of the industry that is performing best is the the one that is fed by a domestic supply chain.

$.02
 
Yep and as soon as that RICH money dries up. you will still have make ends meet. Paying/ set aside several months of house payment(well the money is fat) will help ya in the long run when that money starts to go away. Did it in the 90's and it made a huge different in making ends meet during those times.
I do alot of pre wailing jobs for low income apt complex's I can tell ya that govt money has already started to stop flowing. Got a bunch of them that said you got the job(a contract) BUT they ALL are going to have to wait on funding the soonest they think that will happen is late 2021 or early 2022 so that means 2023. Got friends who do the Hwy roadway work and they tell me as soon as the contracts they have runs out they will not have anymore work also,(not alot of pavement on those rich houses) some are happy that they have a huge jobs that will run for 2 or more years. Then what. 1/3 unemployed.
$10 a hour employee's wouldn't be building any those homes soon. Hell in big cities they will spend over half those wages on rent, food and with no medical insurance.
What does rent cost in your home town here a crapola apt is $700 a month, a nicer one $850-1000 Big city $1800 and up

Now remember the **** hole California taxes make up about a 1/3 of the Fed's income that will die as Ca go's into a slump. Govt money will get really short then.
Those who have a ton work now best keep alot of it for living the dream down the road. The Govt can only print so much money then they will run out of paper.
I don't see it as all roses and flowers.
Now don't worry about me. I started this company in the 80's and been thru this a couple of times. I got enough work to keep my guys busy, BUT we can already see the money drying up from the projects that are in the future.
90's saw a bunch of builders lose everything. that can happen again.
we are having trouble just getting inspections out on a job site's sucks that we waited 2 week to get a compaction test that took 30 minutes. another week to pour concrete. They tell us that half of the city/county guys are laid off or on short work weeks.
 
California is dying. And that will accelerate as time goes on. Businesses are fleeing. Utah has piles and piles of new tech companies that have fled california. Texas is the same.

That RICH money is a lit better barometer than section 8 or gov projects.

Enjoy your shutdown. The rest of the west is getting on with life, and construction is booming
 
Buddy is inheriting from his mom dying a few months ago. They just sold an apartment complex for $55 million. California took 40% in taxes so they sure know how to get their taste of everything. I would move too.
 
I think that's their grand plan. Turn their corrupt chithole cities & states into even bigger chitholes. Get enough people to flee & seek greener pastures.... knowing they will vote for the same chithole policies wherever they end up, thus turning the whole damn place into a giant chithole.
 
turning red states blue has always been part of the master plan and spreading the disease just like what happened with the pandemic shows how quickly their problems suddenly become our problems. Look at what happened in many of the border states they were attacked from outside and from within the country as infected individuals came into the country from Mexico and states with higher infection rates had people travel to other states to avoid the contagion, many of them already infected with covid, driving the red states numbers up.

Trouble is once you have them they may have enough votes to complete the transfer of power. Hence Obama's master plan relocating refugees from the middle east and Africa. Let enough in and bus them to strategic locations, gibe them some tax $$$$ to help them out and BINGO the balance of power shifts, and most folks don't even realize it!

None of it happens as a coincidence in politics the calculus over every move is figured to create the end result that benefits the party......
 
LOL Hossblur You can welcome all the Dem's to Utah(soon to turn blue) with open arm's they will try and make Utah just like the state they just left ask Oregon.
You do know that more Red Voters live in California then just about any other state right, it's just there is about 5 Dem's for every Republican here.
 
^^^nailed it^^^ yet Californians are to dumb time realize that their Democratic policies helped get them into this mess. Keep blaming Trump California, you idiots. Keep asking for more free this and free that, make more hoops and regulations to jump through. We on the other hand will keep supporting him in the middle Portion of the country and contribute however we can in getting ourselves out of this mess. That’s what American is all about. Not doom and gloom, government bail me out attitude. The strong will survive and get stronger. The weak, give me something for nothing crowd, will stay weak and continue to wine while getting bye with never enough crumbs from the government.
 
Gator good point and they're importing more of them, any chance they get, by car, boat, pole vaulting and tunneling....and once they get there Nancy throws them a party and gives them a check and a few essentials and a welcome wagon gift basket , with a vote dem ribbon!
 
I saw it the paper that in 4 years or less and Utah will no longer be a red state. You do know the poor follows the money too.
You guys need to have more kids.
 
Construction is strong here, I usually do all my own work but hired a siding project out on my cabin this year to a friend. He is busy as can be and wont get to it until late fall (which in that location could pretty easily turn into next summer if winter gets started early this year), but he is starting to see some supply chain issues, particularly with steel. I have a garage I need to put up in the next few years, and I’m wondering if I need to pull the trigger on at least the materials now. I wont get to the clearing the site and doing the dirt work this year, but if what he is seeing is accurate, materials might be hard to get next year. I guess the other option is using something other than steel For that project.
 
He is busy as can be and wont get to it until late fall (which in that location could pretty easily turn into next summer if winter gets started early this year), but he is starting to see some supply chain issues, particularly with steel. I have a garage I need to put up in the next few years, and I’m wondering if I need to pull the trigger on at least the materials now. I wont get to the clearing the site and doing the dirt work this year, but if what he is seeing is accurate, materials might be hard to get next year.


"I have plenty of toilet paper, but I heard the stores are being wiped out so I bought 3 cases." This is how shortages are artificially made worse.
 
Sam I wouldn't worry about it Washington has a plan for all our woes it called quantitative easing and as long as the presses work everybody gets what they need.......;)
 
Texas won't be red for much longer either.

I drove by the sawmill this morning. I counted 9 trucks lined up to get a load of lumber but I don't know what that means in the scheme of things. Just glad I'm retired.
 
I didn’t take government money, I was only off work for three weeks and have worked everyday this summer except for two days. I made back the money I lost and my business is doing better than ever working on new kitchens. I like to work, and I like Trump for everything he has done for this country. I love America, I love the flag and I love the national anthem. I understand kneeling before God in church. I‘m tired of the BS, Evan a common man can see through it.

Well hawk!

I'm Sure Mine Offended some Demo Comi Anti-Trump Pusssy!




What are those flags for Elkass are we being watched, mine is also gone.
 
"I have plenty of toilet paper, but I heard the stores are being wiped out so I bought 3 cases." This is how shortages are artificially made worse.

I guess me considering trying to get the steel for a garage I have planned but am not ready to build is comparable, but do you think that is actually happening on a large scale with building products? I wouldn’t think so, but that is based on what I know locally. Land is at a massive premium here, and nobody has room to store anything. No big box building supply stores in the area to see what is actually In stock, so all we know is what the out of area places we order from tell us.

Side note, it was about 3 weeks ago I first bought toilet paper and paper towels since all this started. Super annoying, because I typically buy about 6 months worth at a time, and now I can’t. Not really hoarding to hoard, I just buy a bunch when I happen to be somewhere that I can pay less than tourist town grocery store prices and have room in the car.
 
I still have 15 rolls left from before covid. I too buy the biggest bag of it I see on the shelf so I don't need to think about it for another year or so. Just seems odd to buy steel for a building you might build in 3yrs if yer still vertical. The bottom of the steel market may fall out in 3yrs and it might be 50% cheaper then.
 
We have supplies in stores down here but it was tough for a while. There are plenty of shelves in stores with nothing on them. You guys in some smaller areas need to know Sam's Club, Costco, Wally world, amazon and others have inventory in stock all the time and in many cases free shipping. So as times change we have to adapt and overcome. I know it's tough to have to shell out for a case but they do offer smaller quantities too.

Sam as to your steel issue there's plenty sitting at sea of some types and if they can get the covid hype down our steel plants will increase supply. I don't think it will be as much of an issue as you think. Many big machine shops down here aren't having too many issues with raw steel stock. I'm sure what you want is probably sitting on a boat. Gator would know more about that since that's what many companies like his use and a huge percentage is made off shore. In fact he could probably sell you a prefab garage of any type...... and you'd be buying from an anti-Trumper so you two would be elated.:cry:
 
I still have 15 rolls left from before covid. I too buy the biggest bag of it I see on the shelf so I don't need to think about it for another year or so. Just seems odd to buy steel for a building you might build in 3yrs if yer still vertical. The bottom of the steel market may fall out in 3yrs and it might be 50% cheaper then.

Timeline is more likely early next summer, assuming it is a little easier to get away from work then. If time is still tight, I might hire out putting the building up, but I want to at least be able to do the site work myself. That (and other construction trades) was my first career, and frankly I spend a lot of time wishing I was still doing that. That’s why I typically do all my own work, both on home and all my vehicles. Other than a few things like transmission flushes that aren’t really feasible at home on most cars anymore, I never pay anyone to to work on my cars. Even stuff that doesn’t save money, I’d rather do myself. I change my own windshields, just because it is something I did in the past and the tools are cheap.
 

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