Mentoring question

[BIGJOHNT]

So if I mentor my daughter that didn't draw a deer tag this year. My rifle deer tag does she get to hunt all three seasons like a regular youth that draws a deer tag. She did draw the youth elk hunt this year. So she is super excited !

 

[Shadow]

That's a good question. I'm guessing it would only be season specific where it's issued to you.

 

[elkfromabove]

She's only allowed to hunt the species, unit, gender, season and weapon listed on YOUR permit.

But, you'll still have a great time, I'm sure!

 

[BIGJOHNT]

I just called the DWR office and the lady on the phone said she can hunt all three season because she is a youth.

 

[elkassassin]

>I just called the DWR office
>and the lady on the
>phone said she can hunt
>all three season because
>she is a youth.


That Proves efa don't know WTH He's Talking about!

Hope you got it recorded BIGJOHN!

Remember when HuntinTexas Had that Sheep Tag & Wade Lemon Hunting Made the Call?

You & Your Daughter are Good to go BIGJOHN!

You can Now Hunt Where You Please & When you Please!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

 

[deadibob]

>I just called the DWR office
>and the lady on the
>phone said she can hunt
>all three season because
>she is a youth.


I would get that in writing if it was me.

 

[Amy]

>I just called the DWR office
>and the lady on the
>phone said she can hunt
>all three season because
>she is a youth.


Hi BIGJOHNT ??Many apologies, but the woman you spoke with was incorrect. Someone on our licensing team noticed this thread and asked me to respond. Youth who are being mentored can only hunt the season listed on the adult permit. They cannot hunt all three seasons.

We're going to follow up at this end with all of our front desk and licensing people to make sure they understand and are giving out correct information.

Thanks,
Amy


Amy Canning
Communication Specialist
Utah Division of Wildlife Resources

 

[Deerlove]

I call the DWR in Cedar and spoke to the part-time janitor and he said I could hunt sheep in any open area FYI.

 

[BillyBoB]

Russ you crack me up. I'm dying over here




"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt

 

[elkassassin]

>>I just called the DWR office
>>and the lady on the
>>phone said she can hunt
>>all three season because
>>she is a youth.
>
>
>Hi BIGJOHNT ??Many apologies, but the
>woman you spoke with was
>incorrect. Someone on our licensing
>team noticed this thread and
>asked me to respond. Youth
>who are being mentored can
>only hunt the season listed
>on the adult permit. They
>cannot hunt all three seasons.
>
>
>We're going to follow up at
>this end with all of
>our front desk and licensing
>people to make sure they
>understand and are giving out
>correct information.
>
>Thanks,
>Amy
>
>
>Amy Canning
>Communication Specialist
>Utah Division of Wildlife Resources


Sorry Amy!

But You're Too Late!

The Word has Traveled clear up to NE Utah Already!

BIGJOHN & Lil Ms BIGJOHN are on a Roll after the UDWR Told them She Could Hunt all Seasons with All Weapons!












I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

 

[BIGJOHNT]

Thanks Amy for straightening this out.

 

[elkfromabove]

Utah Code:
R657-67-3
"(1) A Hunting Mentor may lawfully share a permit with a Qualifying Minor, and a Qualifying Minor may lawfully take protected wildlife authorized by the Hunting Mentor's permit, if the following conditions are satisfied:

(f) Both the Hunting Mentor and the Qualifying Minor otherwise comply with all the laws, rules, and regulations governing the taking of protected wildlife as authorized by the permit."

"AS AUTHORIZED BY THE PERMIT"

 

[elkassassin]

>Utah Code:
>R657-67-3
>"(1) A Hunting Mentor may lawfully
>share a permit with a
>Qualifying Minor, and a Qualifying
>Minor may lawfully take protected
>wildlife authorized by the Hunting
>Mentor's permit, if the following
>conditions are satisfied:
>
> (f) Both the
>Hunting Mentor and the Qualifying
>Minor otherwise comply with all
>the laws, rules, and regulations
>governing the taking of protected
>wildlife as authorized by the
>permit."
>
>"AS AUTHORIZED BY THE PERMIT"


Hey efa!

I Thought I'd get more of a Rise out of you than that?

You seen the Smiley Face at the end of the Sentence,Right?

It Never Hurts to Call & Ask the DWR!

If You get Lucky & Talk to the Right person it could enhance your Huntin Boundaries!

Right Amy?








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

 

[Robiland]

Looks like BIGJOHNT knows the same janitor in Cedar City as Wade Lemon. Kind of funny if you ask me.

 

[deadibob]

BIGJOHNT is the janitor in Cedar City. ;-)

 

[elkfromabove]

>>Utah Code:
>>R657-67-3
>>"(1) A Hunting Mentor may lawfully
>>share a permit with a
>>Qualifying Minor, and a Qualifying
>>Minor may lawfully take protected
>>wildlife authorized by the Hunting
>>Mentor's permit, if the following
>>conditions are satisfied:
>>
>> (f) Both the
>>Hunting Mentor and the Qualifying
>>Minor otherwise comply with all
>>the laws, rules, and regulations
>>governing the taking of protected
>>wildlife as authorized by the
>>permit."
>>
>>"AS AUTHORIZED BY THE PERMIT"
>
>
> Hey efa!
>
>I Thought I'd get more of
>a Rise out of you
>than that?
>
>You seen the Smiley Face at
>the end of the Sentence,Right?
>
>

Yes, I saw the smiley face, Bess, so I knew you were just having fun at my expense which I don't mind. No harm, no foul!

And you should know me enough by now, to know that I do my homework and NOBODY gets much of a rise out of me. My sense of humor isn't giggly, it's more subtle. (Probably too subtle in most cases!) That's just me.

And I seldom take things personal, even when it's fabricated or twisted to make me look like a "clown", "fool", etc. But in this case, I just didn't want the OP and daughter to end up with a citation and loss of hunting privileges no matter who was responsible for the misinformation. But I'm glad Amy (and you) chimed in, it softened the blow to them a bit! And they'll still have fun!

 

[heartshot]

LAST EDITED ON May-15-19 AT 12:20PM (MST)[p]I think that was a very good question BIGJOHNT. Everyone is saying "AS AUTHORIZED BY THE PERMIT"....but when a youth draws a general rifle season tag, it only lists the any weapon dates in October even though they can hunt all seasons if they "obtain a general-season any legal weapon deer permit"
The mentor program may be a form of 'Obtaining' that tag.

Anyway, that was a very good question to ask.

 

[BIGJOHNT]

I guess I should have asked a little closer to the hunt date. ;-)

 

[elkfromabove]

LAST EDITED ON May-15-19 AT 03:39PM (MST)[p]>LAST EDITED ON May-15-19
>AT 12:20?PM (MST)
>
>I think that was a very
>good question BIGJOHNT. Everyone
>is saying "AS AUTHORIZED BY
>THE PERMIT"....but when a youth
>draws a general rifle season
>tag, it only lists the
>any weapon dates in October
>even though they can hunt
>all seasons if they "obtain
>a general-season any legal weapon
>deer permit"
>The mentor program may be a
>form of 'Obtaining' that tag.
>
>
>Anyway, that was a very good
>question to ask.

It definitely was a good question to ask! Especially since it got Amy involved. Now maybe we need further clarification on the definitions of "obtain" and "share" as worded in the quote I posted. Does the youth "obtain" the permit or just "share" the permit? And what's the difference?
Amy? (Are we having fun yet?)

 

[Pines_N_Tines]

Make sure to take full advantage of that youth any bull tag. They can only draw it once as a youth.

 

[MuleyKiller]

So if the tag was a dedicated deer permit then they could hunt all three?

 

[Amy]

>It definitely was a good question
>to ask! Especially since it
>got Amy involved. Now maybe
>we need further clarification on
>the definitions of "obtain" and
>"share" as worded in the
>quote I posted. Does the
>youth "obtain" the permit or
>just "share" the permit? And
>what's the difference?
>Amy? (Are we having fun yet?)
>

There's no end to the fun with you guys! ;-)

I sent your question to one of our licensing specialists, and this was his reply:

The only thing the youth obtains is an authorization to share the mentor's permit. The word "obtained" is only used once in the Mentoring Program rule, and it is in reference to the youth surrendering a conflicting authorization/permit they obtained so they can share the mentor's permit. The statement that prohibits them from hunting other seasons is in R657-67-5(5): "Take limitations and bag limits apply based on the permit issued, and the issuance of written authorization to share the permit does not confer additional rights to take protected wildlife." In this case, "Take limitations" applies to season dates.

I also noticed that MuleyKiller asked about mentoring youth on a Dedicated Hunter permit and the answer is yes: If it's a Dedicated Hunter permit, the youth can hunt all three seasons with an adult mentor.

 

[Amy]

>So if the tag was a
>dedicated deer permit then they
>could hunt all three?

Yes, if it's a Dedicated Hunter permit, the youth can hunt all three seasons with an adult mentor.

 

[Amy]

>Thanks Amy for straightening this out.>

Happy to help, BIGJOHNT. Best of luck to you and your daughter this fall!