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Make sure you know if you have a LIMITED ENTRY tag or not, they have a general and limited entry unit under the same name.
 

Ticks N Tines

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>Make sure you know if you
>have a LIMITED ENTRY tag
>or not, they have a
>general and limited entry unit
>under the same name.


Wow, that was smart. I wonder how many idiots that don't know the area are going to look up the map and hunt the LE? Someone is going to have a great general season hunt.
 

cabinfever

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Even if it's the limited entry hunt, it's no cake walk.Hunters have drawn the tag, and after hunting it, have sworn to never set foot in the unit again. As a non resident, I would plan on hiring a guide unless you have plenty of time to scout it.It can be a good hunt if you put in the time.
 

pauns08

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Cabinfever knows this unit well, I can tell just by his post lol. Good luck on the hunt I can tell you a few canyons to hunt but even being told them you've still got to get up in the steep nasty rocky crap to find good bucks.
 

Zeke

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-12 AT 01:46PM (MST)[p]I agree.

Decades ago I used to regularly archery hunt the nasty unit. There are still some dandy buck in the unit. You just have to hunt hard AND smart. Be in position early and late and use your optics more than your legs (once you get into position in the nasty areas). DON'T SLEEP IN. If you do, you'll miss more than half the day since mornings are the best. Be prepared to quarter and backpack him out.

Take pauns08 up on his offer to help. We all need all the help we can get on our hunts.

Last bit of advice is; SHARE YOUR SUCCESS PHOTOS WITH US WHEN YOU'RE DONE.

Good luck,
Zeke
 

ihunt

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Thanks for all the info!! I have hired a guide and plan to hunt hard for the entire 9 days. What would be a good size buck on this unit? What size deer should I be holding out for?
 
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Big_DD

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I used to spend a lot of time on that unit and over the years I seen some dandys out there, realistically though, you better not pass up a 180 buck unless you know there is a bigger one you are hunting for.

About 4 years ago I seen the biggest buck of my life out there, I am afraid if I said what I thought he scored people would say the Oak Creek doesn't have deer that big!
 

pauns08

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I agree with bigDD I wouldnt pass up a solid 180" buck, it seems they kill about one 200" buck up there per year but like DD said dont pass a 180" buck unless you've seen and been hunting something bigger.
 

Coyote_chaser

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I spent 12 days down there last year, saw one buck pushing the 200" mark. Saw him one night and never saw him again, saw one solid 180-190 class buck and could locate him each morning for a few days. Put the sneak on him 5 different times but could never close the deal. Missed a very easy shot at a 175 class buck and still regret that! I had an archery tag.
 

cabinfever

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Back in 2006 when I had the tag, I found 3 shooter bucks.One was killed on the muzzy hunt and the other two I could never turn back up. I think it's sound advice not to pass up a 180 buck. There are bigger on the unit, but the oak creeks have a way of hiding them well.
 

Glunker

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I spent 12 days down there last year, saw one buck pushing the 200" mark. Saw him one night and never saw him again, saw one solid 180-190 class buck and could locate him each morning for a few days. Put the sneak on him 5 different times but could never close the deal. Missed a very easy shot at a 175 class buck and still regret that! I had an archery tag.
let me try this again. I drew that tag this year and was hoping to mostly hunt water. Any thoughts on how key water will be for archery? I understand the fires had to have transformed the hunting so I am gathering info.
 

Warbo

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The guy that found most of the bucks alpha killed, split and went on his own. Russ neilson and his crew will take great care of anyone who has an OC tag. His company is Utah Premiere Outfitters.
Yep your right. I know Russ’s brother. He guides with him and he was showing me their new logo a few days ago. They are dang good guys and know where the deer and elk will be.
 

deadibob

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I have drawn a NR deer tag for Fillmore Oak Creek. I cant wait!!! Any pictures of past bucks or info would be appreciated.
PM me your number and I'll text you a photo of a buck you might like that I took this past March. I live in Oak City.
 

deadibob

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Back in 2006 when I had the tag, I found 3 shooter bucks.One was killed on the muzzy hunt and the other two I could never turn back up. I think it's sound advice not to pass up a 180 buck. There are bigger on the unit, but the oak creeks have a way of hiding them well.
There are better bucks here now than there were in '06. Moving the boundary from the forest service boundary down to the Highway made all the difference. Lots of bucks used to be taken out on the general unit as they left the hay fields which doesn't happen anymore.
 

BrowningRage

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If you've hired a guide, you don't need any of us... and you won't have to hunt hard. Hike hard, probably. Shoot well, yup. But all the hunting will be done for you from June to opening day... I hope they can turn up a good one for you. I think Oak Creek has been on an uptick in recent years... if I believe what I've seen and heard here on MM. 🙂🙂
 

Letshunt

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Google Utah Priemere Outdfitters and see what pops up, it is not Russ Nielsen
His business went live as of a month or two ago. He is getting all the social media information up and running. Russ Nielson was the head guide on the oak creeks for WLH for five years and Alpha for one. He decided to start his own guiding company this year.
 

Easy_green

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There are some awesome bucks on the Oak Creek. A 180 class buck is within reach if you put in the time scouting. You will want to get out hiking as much as possible. I know that seems obvious, but when it’s time for kickoff it pays being in shape. Good lucky on your hunt!
 

deadibob

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I just don't get how anyone with any self respect would hire a guide unless it is mandatory like grizz or sheep in Alaska or a wilderness hunt in Wyoming. Don't people realize what they are getting into before they apply for a hunt?

I would rather kill a 160" buck on my own than a 210" deer that somebody else put me on. I'm not paying someone to sit at my campfire and definitely not someone I may not like or even get along with. Listen to how many guides out there talk about their hunts "I killed this buck or I got this buck" the hunter is an afterthought and doesn't usually get any respect which they probably don't deserve in the first place.

If you are going to hunt this unit all you need is a little time and some really good boots (ankle support and side armor) there are few trails and lots of loose rock, you will roll ankles without good boots. There are enough people that have hunted this unit who are willing to give you advice on the unit. Save the guide money for gas and good optics.

Living here and knowing what is possible I wouldn't shoot anything less than a 200" buck even up until the last day. I know I piss off a lot of locals by even talking about this unit but like my old Granny used to say "if they don't like it then Fugg 'em".:eek:
 

Cahunter805

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I just don't get how anyone with any self respect would hire a guide unless it is mandatory like grizz or sheep in Alaska or a wilderness hunt in Wyoming. Don't people realize what they are getting into before they apply for a hunt?

I would rather kill a 160" buck on my own than a 210" deer that somebody else put me on. I'm not paying someone to sit at my campfire and definitely not someone I may not like or even get along with. Listen to how many guides out there talk about their hunts "I killed this buck or I got this buck" the hunter is an afterthought and doesn't usually get any respect which they probably don't deserve in the first place.

If you are going to hunt this unit all you need is a little time and some really good boots (ankle support and side armor) there are few trails and lots of loose rock, you will roll ankles without good boots. There are enough people that have hunted this unit who are willing to give you advice on the unit. Save the guide money for gas and good optics.

Living here and knowing what is possible I wouldn't shoot anything less than a 200" buck even up until the last day. I know I piss off a lot of locals by even talking about this unit but like my old Granny used to say "if they don't like it then Fugg 'em".:eek:
I don’t get how anyone with any self respect would judge or care what anyone else does with their own hard earned money.
Many people hire guides for many reasons and it’s not always because they want the biggest animal or can’t hunt for themselves.

Glunker- Good luck on your hunt and be sure to let us know how it goes!
 

hawkbill

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Wake up, look at Utah, Celebrity Hunters, Hunt Expo,World famous guides, bait piles, thousands and thousands of trail cameras, guys showing up for all seasons just hanging out because they will soon draw a tag. I would never shoot a 160“ Buck or a 180“ Buck or 185” Buck. This isn’t what caused point creep. I dropped a lot of points in Utah because I don’t want to hunt that way in top tier units. If a hunter wants to hire a guide good for him, if he doesn’t he best be prepared to spend three months in Utah. Oak Creek, Henry’s and the Paunsaugunt Plateau are no super secret. It really doesn’t matter how old this thread is. I wish you the best of luck Glunker, smoke a monster.
 

smokepolejohnson

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The paunzy is No secret, just make sure you pack plenty of snacks and fructose for those long days in the tree stand.

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pushin_30

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I wish everyone believed that.

Look at last years Quotas
and this year’s recommendations!
Sorry 1 tag for archery and 1 for muzzle
2 for ALW
so yeah your odds are not great with only 1 tag available to bonus draw.
I drew the unit on 07 with 3 and it only took 9 points
Father in law drew in 18’ with 19 points
Brother in law in 20’ with 19 points
But that is resident numbers so you non-res are unfortunately in a crappy place
 

legacy

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I’ll just stay the course until it peaks, starts to decline and everyone hops back onto the pauns and Henries bandwagon. Then maybe I’ll have a chance again.
 

buckhorn

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Sorry 1 tag for archery and 1 for muzzle
2 for ALW
so yeah your odds are not great with only 1 tag available to bonus draw.
I drew the unit on 07 with 3 and it only took 9 points
Father in law drew in 18’ with 19 points
Brother in law in 20’ with 19 points
But that is resident numbers so you non-res are unfortunately in a crappy place
I read they were recommending three nonresident rifle tags this year.
Would that be two bonus and one random?
 

buckhorn

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I’ll just stay the course until it peaks, starts to decline and everyone hops back onto the pauns and Henries bandwagon. Then maybe I’ll have a chance again.
I’m listening to what you say my friend. I just wish I was as young as you.
 

ridgetops

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I just don't get how anyone with any self respect would hire a guide unless it is mandatory like grizz or sheep in Alaska or a wilderness hunt in Wyoming. Don't people realize what they are getting into before they apply for a hunt?

I would rather kill a 160" buck on my own than a 210" deer that somebody else put me on. I'm not paying someone to sit at my campfire and definitely not someone I may not like or even get along with. Listen to how many guides out there talk about their hunts "I killed this buck or I got this buck" the hunter is an afterthought and doesn't usually get any respect which they probably don't deserve in the first place.

If you are going to hunt this unit all you need is a little time and some really good boots (ankle support and side armor) there are few trails and lots of loose rock, you will roll ankles without good boots. There are enough people that have hunted this unit who are willing to give you advice on the unit. Save the guide money for gas and good optics.

Living here and knowing what is possible I wouldn't shoot anything less than a 200" buck even up until the last day. I know I piss off a lot of locals by even talking about this unit but like my old Granny used to say "if they don't like it then Fugg 'em".:eek:
If most of your average Joe's go into hunting the Oak Creeks with your attitude, they are most likely going home empty handed.
 

JakeH

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I read they were recommending three nonresident rifle tags this year.
Would that be two bonus and one random?
If they did give 3 then yes that would mean 2 bonus and 1 random.

How long have you been putting in for oak Creek?
 

Elkslayer

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From what I've seen the last few years, most of the tag holders shoot good bucks ranging from 165-80 and are tickled pink. Alot of those bucks have extras, sometimes that's all that people want. A 200" buck is doable, but not always easy to find.
 

deadibob

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If most of your average Joe's go into hunting the Oak Creeks with your attitude, they are most likely going home empty handed.
The average Joe? My attitude of 200" or nothing on this unit? You're probably right but a competent person that spent a few weekends or 5-7 days scouting before the hunt would have a very good chance at it especially with an any weapon tag. Getting a 180+ with a bow without any help would be a real challenge mostly because of the terrain. I live here and spend a lot of time on the mountain even during the winter we are on it trapping, there really isn't much else to do.
 

LIK2HNT

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Sorry 1 tag for archery and 1 for muzzle
2 for ALW
so yeah your odds are not great with only 1 tag available to bonus draw.
I drew the unit on 07 with 3 and it only took 9 points
Father in law drew in 18’ with 19 points
Brother in law in 20’ with 19 points
But that is resident numbers so you non-res are unfortunately in a crappy place
Would like to see some pictures. Had quality changed over that time span?
Thanks
 

ridgetops

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The average Joe? My attitude of 200" or nothing on this unit? You're probably right but a competent person that spent a few weekends or 5-7 days scouting before the hunt would have a very good chance at it especially with an any weapon tag. Getting a 180+ with a bow without any help would be a real challenge mostly because of the terrain. I live here and spend a lot of time on the mountain even during the winter we are on it trapping, there really isn't much else to do.
This is where I disagree. Your average hunter that probably never has scouted that much in the past on other general hunts, is not going to show up on that unit and after a couple weekends before the hunt, find a few 200" bucks to go after. Even if they do find one, the odds of finding it again after the archery and muzzy hunters have pushed the deer around are very slim. Even on the oak creek. Comparing yourself to one of these average hunters that have never been on the oak creek is comparing apples and oranges.
 
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Zeke

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If they did give 3 then yes that would mean 2 bonus and 1 random.

How long have you been putting in for oak Creek?
Jake,
Unless the NR allotment is different, the F&G takes half the tags (3 divided by 2 = 1.5) and then rounds DOWN to get the bonus tag total.
That means 1 bonus, 2 random. I HATE the way they do it but it is what it is. That's why there are usually more random tags given than bonus.

Zeke
 

JakeH

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Jake,
Unless the NR allotment is different, the F&G takes half the tags (3 divided by 2 = 1.5) and then rounds DOWN to get the bonus tag total.
That means 1 bonus, 2 random. I HATE the way they do it but it is what it is. That's why there are usually more random tags given than bonus.

Zeke
Nope, that is how they used to do it, but last year or the year before they started giving the extra tag to the bonus pool.

Look at the resident side here.
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Letshunt

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The secret is out! 😂 The oak creek holds large mule deer. Here is my overview on the unit being a local and having spent a ton of time helping and guiding for the last 5 years.

The hay day years when tag numbers were low and overall buzz 🐝 of the unit was kept fairly quiet. I’d say the best years were 2013-2019.
Quality: The overall top quality is down as far as bucks above 215+. Even though there have been 4-6 bucks killed over 220” in the last couple of years. There are very few bucks that will reach that mark that are currently living on the unit. (Unless we get an unusual rain year)
Only 2 bucks last year broke that mark. Most of the top end bucks 195-205” have been getting killed each year for the last 4-5 years. It has made a lot of guides and locals wonder if it will hold up or if it’s going to crash like other units have in the past as far as top end quality.
Speaking with the wildlife biologist for this unit, there was a terrible fawn survival rate in both 2019 and 2020. Over 75% of the bucks during this years count were considered 3 years or older. With a low fawn survival rate, it’s believed that the overall size of the herd and quality will drop in the next 3-5 years.

Genetics: There are plenty of 160-180” deer on the unit. On a good rain year, most of the bucks will grow extras. Most bucks will usually have 22-24” main beams. It’s rare to find bucks with larger beams than that.
Very few deer will have a ton of width. Although a lot of bucks have bigger ears than what is the perceived normal. They also tend to have bigger bodies. We’ve killed plenty of bucks that we thought were 25” wide that ended up having a 28” spread main frame.
Not sure why but as of the last 5 years it seems that there have been far fewer bucks with spreads that reach the 30” mark.

Difficulty: It is an extremely physically demanding hunt. There is very little water in the unit. I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of anyone killing a deer over a spring.
There really are only 3 roads on the entire unit that let you gain any elevation.
It’s hot, dry, rocky, nasty, and steep with plenty of rattlesnakes. It’s a constant up and down. There a few ridges that have a smooth incline.
There are plenty of glassing points. Good glass is worth its weight in gold as the deep burnt out canyons are hard to glass into.

Pressure: there are very few ridges that don’t have cameras on them. Don’t be surprised if you pack your stuff up to a camera spot that when you go to check it that there will probably be a camera or three around that same spot. The unit is relatively small. 80% of the unit was burned and most deer live in the burned areas where there is good feed. It’s turned into a once in a lifetime hunt and with less people having their own tags you will see a lot of people. Guides and spotters included.
Most people who are now applying for the unit understand this and get out and hike this unit during the archery and muzzy hunts. The deer rut early and will move a lot which usually leads to an easier rifle hunt with the deer moving to lower elevations.

The oak creek mtns are an amazing place. But contrary to what some other people
have posted earlier, It’s hard to turn up a 200” buck and even harder to kill it. 185-190 is doable but definitely not easy and when you see one it’s not a bad idea to take that buck.
 

ridgetops

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The secret is out! 😂 The oak creek holds large mule deer. Here is my overview on the unit being a local and having spent a ton of time helping and guiding for the last 5 years.

The hay day years when tag numbers were low and overall buzz 🐝 of the unit was kept fairly quiet. I’d say the best years were 2013-2019.
Quality: The overall top quality is down as far as bucks above 215+. Even though there have been 4-6 bucks killed over 220” in the last couple of years. There are very few bucks that will reach that mark that are currently living on the unit. (Unless we get an unusual rain year)
Only 2 bucks last year broke that mark. Most of the top end bucks 195-205” have been getting killed each year for the last 4-5 years. It has made a lot of guides and locals wonder if it will hold up or if it’s going to crash like other units have in the past as far as top end quality.
Speaking with the wildlife biologist for this unit, there was a terrible fawn survival rate in both 2019 and 2020. Over 75% of the bucks during this years count were considered 3 years or older. With a low fawn survival rate, it’s believed that the overall size of the herd and quality will drop in the next 3-5 years.

Genetics: There are plenty of 160-180” deer on the unit. On a good rain year, most of the bucks will grow extras. Most bucks will usually have 22-24” main beams. It’s rare to find bucks with larger beams than that.
Very few deer will have a ton of width. Although a lot of bucks have bigger ears than what is the perceived normal. They also tend to have bigger bodies. We’ve killed plenty of bucks that we thought were 25” wide that ended up having a 28” spread main frame.
Not sure why but as of the last 5 years it seems that there have been far fewer bucks with spreads that reach the 30” mark.

Difficulty: It is an extremely physically demanding hunt. There is very little water in the unit. I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of anyone killing a deer over a spring.
There really are only 3 roads on the entire unit that let you gain any elevation.
It’s hot, dry, rocky, nasty, and steep with plenty of rattlesnakes. It’s a constant up and down. There a few ridges that have a smooth incline.
There are plenty of glassing points. Good glass is worth its weight in gold as the deep burnt out canyons are hard to glass into.

Pressure: there are very few ridges that don’t have cameras on them. Don’t be surprised if you pack your stuff up to a camera spot that when you go to check it that there will probably be a camera or three around that same spot. The unit is relatively small. 80% of the unit was burned and most deer live in the burned areas where there is good feed. It’s turned into a once in a lifetime hunt and with less people having their own tags you will see a lot of people. Guides and spotters included.
Most people who are now applying for the unit understand this and get out and hike this unit during the archery and muzzy hunts. The deer rut early and will move a lot which usually leads to an easier rifle hunt with the deer moving to lower elevations.

The oak creek mtns are an amazing place. But contrary to what some other people
have posted earlier, It’s hard to turn up a 200” buck and even harder to kill it. 185-190 is doable but definitely not easy and when you see one it’s not a bad idea to take that buck.
Thanks for your honest assessment of the unit.
 

deadibob

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This is where I disagree. Your average hunter that probably never has scouted that much in the past on other general hunts, is not going to show up on that unit and after a couple weekends before the hunt, find a few 200" bucks to go after. Even if they do find one, the odds of finding it again after the archery and muzzy hunters have pushed the deer around are very slim. Even on the oak creek. Comparing yourself to one of these average hunters that have never been on the oak creek is comparing apples and oranges.
I just deleted a three paragraph response to this comment and have decided to agree with you. You are right that no average hunter is going to scout this unit and find any 200" bucks to hunt and they definitely won't be finding a few of them (which I never stated to begin with even though they might could:unsure:). Hell even a mighty flat-brimmed hunter won't locate yet even relocate a 180" buck because there are so many archery and muzzy hunters on this unit to push them around. Remind me how many archery and muzzy deer hunters are on this unit, 500, maybe 600? That's a lot of tag holders to push these deer around so that's one more reason not to try.

I guess you guys better quit putting in for the unit because you most likely won't kill a big deer and for those of you that did draw this year you had better call Wade Lemmon or just stay home because you won't get it done without a guide.
 

lundellhunting7

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let me try this again. I drew that tag this year and was hoping to mostly hunt water. Any thoughts on how key water will be for archery? I understand the fires had to have transformed the hunting so I am gathering info.
No one is dumb, I was wondering if I missed something that re-sparked this old thread 🤔 🤷‍♂️
Slam you defiantly missed the respark from Glunker
 

ridgetops

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Hey Zeke, I was very vocal about that very issue 3-4 years a ago. I'd like to think someone was listening. It's a change that needed to happen.
 

JakeH

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Thanks Jake,
I do like to learn every day and you took me to school today.

Zeke
I never seen any formal literature or discussion about this change, just happened to notice it had happened. So the fact people still don't know does not surprise me.
 

LIK2HNT

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The secret is out! 😂 The oak creek holds large mule deer. Here is my overview on the unit being a local and having spent a ton of time helping and guiding for the last 5 years.

The hay day years when tag numbers were low and overall buzz 🐝 of the unit was kept fairly quiet. I’d say the best years were 2013-2019.
Quality: The overall top quality is down as far as bucks above 215+. Even though there have been 4-6 bucks killed over 220” in the last couple of years. There are very few bucks that will reach that mark that are currently living on the unit. (Unless we get an unusual rain year)
Only 2 bucks last year broke that mark. Most of the top end bucks 195-205” have been getting killed each year for the last 4-5 years. It has made a lot of guides and locals wonder if it will hold up or if it’s going to crash like other units have in the past as far as top end quality.
Speaking with the wildlife biologist for this unit, there was a terrible fawn survival rate in both 2019 and 2020. Over 75% of the bucks during this years count were considered 3 years or older. With a low fawn survival rate, it’s believed that the overall size of the herd and quality will drop in the next 3-5 years.

Genetics: There are plenty of 160-180” deer on the unit. On a good rain year, most of the bucks will grow extras. Most bucks will usually have 22-24” main beams. It’s rare to find bucks with larger beams than that.
Very few deer will have a ton of width. Although a lot of bucks have bigger ears than what is the perceived normal. They also tend to have bigger bodies. We’ve killed plenty of bucks that we thought were 25” wide that ended up having a 28” spread main frame.
Not sure why but as of the last 5 years it seems that there have been far fewer bucks with spreads that reach the 30” mark.

Difficulty: It is an extremely physically demanding hunt. There is very little water in the unit. I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of anyone killing a deer over a spring.
There really are only 3 roads on the entire unit that let you gain any elevation.
It’s hot, dry, rocky, nasty, and steep with plenty of rattlesnakes. It’s a constant up and down. There a few ridges that have a smooth incline.
There are plenty of glassing points. Good glass is worth its weight in gold as the deep burnt out canyons are hard to glass into.

Pressure: there are very few ridges that don’t have cameras on them. Don’t be surprised if you pack your stuff up to a camera spot that when you go to check it that there will probably be a camera or three around that same spot. The unit is relatively small. 80% of the unit was burned and most deer live in the burned areas where there is good feed. It’s turned into a once in a lifetime hunt and with less people having their own tags you will see a lot of people. Guides and spotters included.
Most people who are now applying for the unit understand this and get out and hike this unit during the archery and muzzy hunts. The deer rut early and will move a lot which usually leads to an easier rifle hunt with the deer moving to lower elevations.

The oak creek mtns are an amazing place. But contrary to what some other people
have posted earlier, It’s hard to turn up a 200” buck and even harder to kill it. 185-190 is doable but definitely not easy and when you see one it’s not a bad idea to take that buck.
Nice write up.
Thanks
 

Vanilla

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It’s turned into a once in a lifetime hunt and with less people having their own tags you will see a lot of people. Guides and spotters included.

Outfitters are no longer allowed to use multiple spotters. See HB62 from the legislative session this year. I’m sure all outfitters will do the right thing and follow the law…
 

slamdunk

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I'd borrow slams long range Lapua and shoot my buck from Holden, or sneak in close and shoot one from the Maverick parking lot in Delta
I'll gladly borrow it to you if you'd like, but I can only attest it's abilities to 100 yards on game.
The consequences are on you 😉
 

BeDawg

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I just don't get how anyone with any self respect would hire a guide unless it is mandatory like grizz or sheep in Alaska or a wilderness hunt in Wyoming. Don't people realize what they are getting into before they apply for a hunt?

I would rather kill a 160" buck on my own than a 210" deer that somebody else put me on. I'm not paying someone to sit at my campfire and definitely not someone I may not like or even get along with. Listen to how many guides out there talk about their hunts "I killed this buck or I got this buck" the hunter is an afterthought and doesn't usually get any respect which they probably don't deserve in the first place.

If you are going to hunt this unit all you need is a little time and some really good boots (ankle support and side armor) there are few trails and lots of loose rock, you will roll ankles without good boots. There are enough people that have hunted this unit who are willing to give you advice on the unit. Save the guide money for gas and good optics.

Living here and knowing what is possible I wouldn't shoot anything less than a 200" buck even up until the last day. I know I piss off a lot of locals by even talking about this unit but like my old Granny used to say "if they don't like it then Fugg 'em".:eek:
Amen to this post!

Wish the world could go back to just hunting and having fun without all of the pressure
 

El Gringo

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I just don't get how anyone with any self respect would hire a guide unless it is mandatory like grizz or sheep in Alaska or a wilderness hunt in Wyoming. Don't people realize what they are getting into before they apply for a hunt?

I would rather kill a 160" buck on my own than a 210" deer that somebody else put me on. I'm not paying someone to sit at my campfire and definitely not someone I may not like or even get along with. Listen to how many guides out there talk about their hunts "I killed this buck or I got this buck" the hunter is an afterthought and doesn't usually get any respect which they probably don't deserve in the first place.

If you are going to hunt this unit all you need is a little time and some really good boots (ankle support and side armor) there are few trails and lots of loose rock, you will roll ankles without good boots. There are enough people that have hunted this unit who are willing to give you advice on the unit. Save the guide money for gas and good optics.

Living here and knowing what is possible I wouldn't shoot anything less than a 200" buck even up until the last day. I know I piss off a lot of locals by even talking about this unit but like my old Granny used to say "if they don't like it then Fugg 'em".:eek:
Talk about a prideful, self absorbed assessment. You should do whatever is good for you, and stop your judgement of others.

Ever consider that everyone might not live in close proximity?
How about doesn’t have a Posse at their disposal all the time?
How about they have a demanding business or career, or family, and they don’t have the ample amount of time to scout?

Take a look around, and a little past the end of your own nose.
 

Bigfoot 1

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Talk about a prideful, self absorbed assessment. You should do whatever is good for you, and stop your judgement of others.

Ever consider that everyone might not live in close proximity?
How about doesn’t have a Posse at their disposal all the time?
How about they have a demanding business or career, or family, and they don’t have the ample amount of time to scout?

Take a look around, and a little past the end of your own nose.
He’s got a point! 😂
 

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