Did you draw the tag?Anybody hunt owhyee for deer lately? How was it?
Oh I believe you.It's a lot worse now than it was 15-20 years ago. but I agree if you have a tag go for it. at least you'll know where not to go when you're done.
Show me where I said to shoot a forkie....put down that bottle.The only thing that can be done about it is to first get hunters to admit there's a problem and then unite them in demanding change. people like you are part the problem not the solution, if you might get a forkie then that's a great hunt ! take lots of pictures ! who could ask for more !!!!
I NEVER said don't hunt. I didn't say don't encourage someone to hunt. YOU called me a whiner for saying the deer numbers suck and we should demand a different approach from ODFW.
Obviously you weren't here when the hunting was good or you wouldn't sound so ignorant. I'm an eastern OR native getting close to 60 , have you ever hunted in a camp of 23 hunters tagged out opening weekend with nothing smaller than a 4x4 ? I have. I'm not delusional I know it'll never be that good again. but when I go back to the same camp 40 years later with 1 of 10 late season tags in November and only see a half dozen 3 year old bucks in a week I don't need some know nothing pilgrim from California , Portland wherever you're from telling me to suck it up and make lemonade out of train wreck.
I'm lucky because I have the resources to hunt out of state and in Canada where there are still deer, but it still really hurts to see what's happened to my favorite places to hunt in my back yard. as they say you had to be there.
Pretty sure you and I will always disagree about many things but you’ve taken the words regarding mule deer straight out of my throat. Whatever else you are Tog, you’re absolutely dead center on, on this issue.Yes I do still apply in OR. and I've killed one buck in the last 20 years because I won't shoot a dink.
You didn't need to say you were clueless that was obvious. my comments to the OP were spot on, there's a fine line between a pessimist and a realist. the reality is deer numbers are very low, if the hatch is good chukar numbers can be high. there is the lemonade you were trying to fabricate.
There is already a group that needs to address the situation in a serious matter, OHA. they are basically like you, pretend it's great and pay your dues on time. don't rock the boat. deer season has become an armed camping trip and very few expect anything more and the majority are just fine with that. just like they're fine with putting out 3800 tags in a unit that's below objective.
Some of he problems facing mule deer are hard to fix , others aren't . he first thing you do if a unit is below objective is STOP KILLING THEM ! no more tags. some morons say hunting isn't the problem, true it's not the only problem. but it's the one we have the most control over. then we look at predation and traffic deaths those are then two that are harder to solve.
But we won't stop killing them because the average hunter is too selfish and short sighted. and ODFW is counting on him to hold the status quo.