PLANE CRASHES BUSH'S FAULT
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huntindude
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sremim,
Be honest, when you posted that you were thinking it was all Clinon's fault and you were just being sarcastic.
Be honest, when you posted that you were thinking it was all Clinon's fault and you were just being sarcastic.
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TFinalshot
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How do they know it was not terrorism? Maybe he was pissed becaues the yanks did not go all the way. Maybe he committed suicide, maybe it was a mistake, but listening to Fox you'd think they had the script. . .
I like the news guys who know everything even before the investigater do . . . Fox is a drama show, I dont think they even know what news reporting is anymore. . .
I like the news guys who know everything even before the investigater do . . . Fox is a drama show, I dont think they even know what news reporting is anymore. . .
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D13er
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Was Lidle ever associated with the Texas rangers ?? I'll bet he was. And fox covered it up.
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TFinalshot
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LOL this is getting good boyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! We should start our own talk radio show! LOL
202typical
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Nope, I'm posative it was a conspiracy by the current admin. Planned all the way. Yep Bush is to blame.
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I'm very disappointed that you guys can joke about such a tragic event. Cory Lidle was married and had a 6 year old who no longer has a father...and you guys make jokes about it. Other people were killed due to this accident and you guys make jokes about it, I think that is disgusting.
You're giving the term "in the gutter" a new meaning. You should think a bit before you post.
You're giving the term "in the gutter" a new meaning. You should think a bit before you post.
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patience
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good call. we wouldn't talk about MM members like that if they died in a back country flight looking for game.
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D13er
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we might, depending on who it was.
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Not cool. Not cool at all - besides, it was A-Rod's fault. If he would have hit better during the ALDS, then they would have been playing today and Lidle wouldn't have been flying. Absolutely ridiculous to try and blame anyone for this.
OK - I wasn't going to do this but I am going to go off. I get very tired of always looking for a fall guy - someone to blame for every incident that happens, whether in jest or in all seriousness. Bill Clinton, George Bush, Ronald Reagan, Tony Blair, Madeline Albright, Janet Reno, Canada, France, the Marines, the Army, Donald Rumsfeld, your mom, your dad, your great aunt Ruth - it doesn't matter who it is. Stop looking for someone to blame everything on! Sure I believe in accountability - it is important and we all must answer for what we have and haven't done and belive you me that all these political figures have more people and things to answer for than you or I ever will - but - sometimes, BAD THINGS HAPPEN AND NOBODY COULD HAVE PREVENTED THEM AT ALL! Sometimes, bad people decide to do bad things and come up with a plan that good people don't know about until it is too late to stop it! They lie - they steal, they decieve - they dupe people into trusting them and take advantage of someone's goodness and carry out their evil plans with precision and decisiveness. BAD PEOPLE DO BAD THINGS AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T STOP THEM AND IT IS NO ONE'S FAULT AT ALL! Sometimes it just boils down to pure evil. Hatred. Disregard for human life. Selfishness and greed. SOMETIMES THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT AT ALL. People have agency and sometimes they use it to hurt others. Wars happen - I don't like them and I think they are wrong - but they are also necessary and they will continue and guess what - THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT SOMETIMES! Sure - there are some things we can control and we should do our most dilligent best to control what we can control but sometimes - there is a lot more out of our control than we can deal with! People die for the wrong reasons, but some die for the right reasons and ultimately - it is not up to us to judge the intentions of someone's heart.All we can do is all we can do -sometimes that is not good enough - and sometimes its no one's fault at all. Sometimes its just good vs. evil and sometimes evil wins. However, good will triumph - good will reign supreme AND THERE WILL BE NOTHING THE EVIL CAN DO ABOUT IT! So stop trying to blame someone for everything. Not everything is political either.
UTROY
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OK - I wasn't going to do this but I am going to go off. I get very tired of always looking for a fall guy - someone to blame for every incident that happens, whether in jest or in all seriousness. Bill Clinton, George Bush, Ronald Reagan, Tony Blair, Madeline Albright, Janet Reno, Canada, France, the Marines, the Army, Donald Rumsfeld, your mom, your dad, your great aunt Ruth - it doesn't matter who it is. Stop looking for someone to blame everything on! Sure I believe in accountability - it is important and we all must answer for what we have and haven't done and belive you me that all these political figures have more people and things to answer for than you or I ever will - but - sometimes, BAD THINGS HAPPEN AND NOBODY COULD HAVE PREVENTED THEM AT ALL! Sometimes, bad people decide to do bad things and come up with a plan that good people don't know about until it is too late to stop it! They lie - they steal, they decieve - they dupe people into trusting them and take advantage of someone's goodness and carry out their evil plans with precision and decisiveness. BAD PEOPLE DO BAD THINGS AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T STOP THEM AND IT IS NO ONE'S FAULT AT ALL! Sometimes it just boils down to pure evil. Hatred. Disregard for human life. Selfishness and greed. SOMETIMES THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT AT ALL. People have agency and sometimes they use it to hurt others. Wars happen - I don't like them and I think they are wrong - but they are also necessary and they will continue and guess what - THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT SOMETIMES! Sure - there are some things we can control and we should do our most dilligent best to control what we can control but sometimes - there is a lot more out of our control than we can deal with! People die for the wrong reasons, but some die for the right reasons and ultimately - it is not up to us to judge the intentions of someone's heart.All we can do is all we can do -sometimes that is not good enough - and sometimes its no one's fault at all. Sometimes its just good vs. evil and sometimes evil wins. However, good will triumph - good will reign supreme AND THERE WILL BE NOTHING THE EVIL CAN DO ABOUT IT! So stop trying to blame someone for everything. Not everything is political either.
UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
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D13er
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Roy,
If that thing stays like that for more than 4 hours, see a doctor.
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If that thing stays like that for more than 4 hours, see a doctor.
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TFinalshot
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Roy, I think youre right, but you have to ask yourself this, if we keep doing the same over and over, but each time expecting a different outcome, somethings wrong. For example, we know what some of the problmes are, we are just not willing to change things.
When we know people are bad, why do we leave them in positons of power?
When we know people are bad, why do we leave them in positons of power?
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huntindude
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D13er is right it would depend on who it was, com'on now if he flew his plane into the side of a building tell me it wouldn't be hard not to make fun of that.
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TFinalshot
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I am on the record for supporting taking out sadam. However, I do not think that sadam is OBL. In addition, if you want to talk terrorism, sadam and his men killed terrorists and in particular did not support the likes of OBL. He likely would have tanken him out had OBL tried to take him or his people out. . .
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WRONG, Osama and Sadam had ties to one another and it has been proven. Give me a minute and I will find the documentation and post it.
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Editor's Note, 1/27/04: In today's Washington Post, Dana Milbank reported that "Vice President Cheney . . . in an interview this month with the Rocky Mountain News, recommended as the 'best source of information' an article in The Weekly Standard magazine detailing a relationship between Hussein and al Qaeda based on leaked classified information."
Here's the Stephen F. Hayes article to which the vice president was referring.
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OSAMA BIN LADEN and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda--perhaps even for Mohamed Atta--according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.
The memo, dated October 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller, the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. It was written in response to a request from the committee as part of its investigation into prewar intelligence claims made by the administration. Intelligence reporting included in the 16-page memo comes from a variety of domestic and foreign agencies, including the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency. Much of the evidence is detailed, conclusive, and corroborated by multiple sources. Some of it is new information obtained in custodial interviews with high-level al Qaeda terrorists and Iraqi officials, and some of it is more than a decade old. The picture that emerges is one of a history of collaboration between two of America's most determined and dangerous enemies.
According to the memo--which lays out the intelligence in 50 numbered points--Iraq-al Qaeda contacts began in 1990 and continued through mid-March 2003, days before the Iraq War began. Most of the numbered passages contain straight, fact-based intelligence reporting, which some cases includes an evaluation of the credibility of the source. This reporting is often followed by commentary and analysis.
The relationship began shortly before the first Gulf War. According to reporting in the memo, bin Laden sent "emissaries to Jordan in 1990 to meet with Iraqi government officials." At some unspecified point in 1991, according to a CIA analysis, "Iraq sought Sudan's assistance to establish links to al Qaeda." The outreach went in both directions. According to 1993 CIA reporting cited in the memo, "bin Laden wanted to expand his organization's capabilities through ties with Iraq."
The primary go-between throughout these early stages was Sudanese strongman Hassan al-Turabi, a leader of the al Qaeda-affiliated National Islamic Front. Numerous sources have confirmed this. One defector reported that "al-Turabi was instrumental in arranging the Iraqi-al Qaeda relationship. The defector said Iraq sought al Qaeda influence through its connections with Afghanistan, to facilitate the transshipment of proscribed weapons and equipment to Iraq. In return, Iraq provided al Qaeda with training and instructors."
One such confirmation came in a postwar interview with one of Saddam Hussein's henchmen. As the memo details:
4. According to a May 2003 debriefing of a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, Iraqi intelligence established a highly secretive relationship with Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and later with al Qaeda. The first meeting in 1992 between the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and al Qaeda was brokered by al-Turabi. Former IIS deputy director Faruq Hijazi and senior al Qaeda leader [Ayman al] Zawahiri were at the meeting--the first of several between 1992 and 1995 in Sudan. Additional meetings between Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda were held in Pakistan. Members of al Qaeda would sometimes visit Baghdad where they would meet the Iraqi intelligence chief in a safe house. The report claimed that Saddam insisted the relationship with al Qaeda be kept secret. After 9-11, the source said Saddam made a personnel change in the IIS for fear the relationship would come under scrutiny from foreign probes.
Here's the Stephen F. Hayes article to which the vice president was referring.
-JVL
OSAMA BIN LADEN and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda--perhaps even for Mohamed Atta--according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.
The memo, dated October 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller, the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. It was written in response to a request from the committee as part of its investigation into prewar intelligence claims made by the administration. Intelligence reporting included in the 16-page memo comes from a variety of domestic and foreign agencies, including the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency. Much of the evidence is detailed, conclusive, and corroborated by multiple sources. Some of it is new information obtained in custodial interviews with high-level al Qaeda terrorists and Iraqi officials, and some of it is more than a decade old. The picture that emerges is one of a history of collaboration between two of America's most determined and dangerous enemies.
According to the memo--which lays out the intelligence in 50 numbered points--Iraq-al Qaeda contacts began in 1990 and continued through mid-March 2003, days before the Iraq War began. Most of the numbered passages contain straight, fact-based intelligence reporting, which some cases includes an evaluation of the credibility of the source. This reporting is often followed by commentary and analysis.
The relationship began shortly before the first Gulf War. According to reporting in the memo, bin Laden sent "emissaries to Jordan in 1990 to meet with Iraqi government officials." At some unspecified point in 1991, according to a CIA analysis, "Iraq sought Sudan's assistance to establish links to al Qaeda." The outreach went in both directions. According to 1993 CIA reporting cited in the memo, "bin Laden wanted to expand his organization's capabilities through ties with Iraq."
The primary go-between throughout these early stages was Sudanese strongman Hassan al-Turabi, a leader of the al Qaeda-affiliated National Islamic Front. Numerous sources have confirmed this. One defector reported that "al-Turabi was instrumental in arranging the Iraqi-al Qaeda relationship. The defector said Iraq sought al Qaeda influence through its connections with Afghanistan, to facilitate the transshipment of proscribed weapons and equipment to Iraq. In return, Iraq provided al Qaeda with training and instructors."
One such confirmation came in a postwar interview with one of Saddam Hussein's henchmen. As the memo details:
4. According to a May 2003 debriefing of a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, Iraqi intelligence established a highly secretive relationship with Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and later with al Qaeda. The first meeting in 1992 between the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and al Qaeda was brokered by al-Turabi. Former IIS deputy director Faruq Hijazi and senior al Qaeda leader [Ayman al] Zawahiri were at the meeting--the first of several between 1992 and 1995 in Sudan. Additional meetings between Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda were held in Pakistan. Members of al Qaeda would sometimes visit Baghdad where they would meet the Iraqi intelligence chief in a safe house. The report claimed that Saddam insisted the relationship with al Qaeda be kept secret. After 9-11, the source said Saddam made a personnel change in the IIS for fear the relationship would come under scrutiny from foreign probes.
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huntindude
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You guy's really need to get these facts you keep digging up to Bush since he hasn't heard them yet. with mid terms coming up with all the scandals and a 38% aproval rating he and his party could use this stuff right now. com'on get going he needs you like never before!
