Postpone Election?

bullskin

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Good idea, or bad? Was this even a serious suggestion, or simply intended to divert attention from data showing that the economy contracted by 9.5% last quarter?
 

RookieWYhntr

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You think Trump would suggest that w/o thinking about it? You think Trump is dumb?

Man, just say you hate Trump and be done with it. Why even bring up a subject that you know NO ONE in this forum will change your mind?
 

NeMont

Long Time Member
The president has no ability to change the date of the election and even Ole Mitch has stated that there will not be any postponing of anything.

I believe the President tweeted this simply to play to his supporters insecurities and to bait the press into another hyperventilating news cycle.

Nemont
 

Wyosam

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You think Trump would suggest that w/o thinking about it? You think Trump is dumb?

Man, just say you hate Trump and be done with it. Why even bring up a subject that you know NO ONE in this forum will change your mind?
As a matter of fact, there is ample evidence that our current president does frequently speak without thinking it through. If some of the crap he says actually IS thought through before hand, then yes, he is dumb enough that he should be wearing a helmet. If he did think about that comment, then he should have known he would get the exact response of outrage from both sides that he got. If he thought it through, and did it anyway, he’s an idiot. It is a far more forgivable statement if it is just the standard Trump saying the quiet part out-loud thing.

I think he brought it up to see the opinions of those who think Trump is the last line of defense of the Constitution. I’m pretty curious to hear that spin myself.
 

bullskin

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You think Trump would suggest that w/o thinking about it? You think Trump is dumb?

Man, just say you hate Trump and be done with it. Why even bring up a subject that you know NO ONE in this forum will change your mind?
You are right, I think Trump has made too many irresponsible decisions to merit my support. And, while I am happy to defend his decisions where I agree with them, I am not so desperate for his re-election that I am willing to ignore his mistakes. I believe better government requires that EVERY politician be exposed to scrutiny. Some prefer to sweep issues under the rug when they reveal uncomfortable facts about their own preferred candidates, but I see no integrity in that approach.

If you want to leap to his defense, then get to it. But, I have no interest in defending either "Trump" or "Biden" generally--rather I would judge the decisions they make on their own merits and leave it to others to decide which candidate deserves their vote.

I think Trump is ignorant, but not dumb. He is, in fact, a very clever politician, which is why I have posed the question. In the end, the "subject" here is the election, not Trump. Recognizing that no politician is perfect, one may discuss uncomfortable issues without viewing each as a referendum on one's preferred candidate. You are not going to change my perception of Trump any more that I am going to change yours. If that were the standard for conversation, then the would be no point to any comment ever made on this forum. Unless this forum is somehow expected to become an echo chamber for like-minded individuals, then there is a lot to said for balanced discussion. So, does his suggestion have merit, or not? If not, then what was the purpose?
 
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Boskee

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He's trolling them and it driving them crazy. Nemont's right the president doesn't have the authority to change the date of the election.

But it sure is fun watching them trip over themselves trying to point out he's wrong........

Now feature this the party that created the Russian Collusion Hoax where Trump conspired with Russia walked out of a briefing by the FBI on election interference and tried to blame it on Trump again.......You can't make this stuff up....... the party that failed to prove collusion (THEY CREATED FRAUDULENTLY) has once again fell back on their false flag operation..........You guys that voted for the cabal elected these morons.........Doubling down on dumb is?..What's the definition of insanity? LOL
 

bullskin

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He's obviously good at trolling the morons.
That is how I see it, too. Good old fashioned politics, intended to distract from important issues and capture a news cycle that would perhaps otherwise been dominated by bad economic news. And morons on both sides took the bait. Of course, it had to be done. Even McConnell felt that he needed to respond.
 
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Wyosam

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He's trolling them and it driving them crazy. Nemont's right the president doesn't have the authority to change the date of the election.

But it sure is fun watching them trip over themselves trying to point out he's wrong........
Which “them” are you referring to? Because the “them“ that has condemned the statement, is pretty a pretty broad spectrum of people.
 

RookieWYhntr

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That is how I see it, too. Good old fashioned politics, intended to distract from important issues and capture a news cycle that would perhaps otherwise been dominated by bad economic news. And morons on both sides took the bait.
Yup. You can tell by the responses here.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
Grizz you may want to have to sit down for this but Trump is going to win because America has seen thru the charades your party thought would work in removing him from office. Which proves the American electorate isn't as gullible as you...... and all your folly at trying to trip peoples triggers will be in vain...... In fact the dems already know this.... is evident in how many times they keep trying to fool the electorate with their games of desperation and deceit.........see a correlation here?

When your polling shows Trump gaining ground with disproportionate amount of liberal respondents the games over.......LOL
 

wetmule

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Exactly, he knows the Dems won't accept the 2020 election results again - and their vote by mail ballot push due to "Wuhan Flu" assures massive fraud & delays. That's their plan & I'm sure a whole shitload of dem attorneys are on retainer preparing their arguments.
Rule of thumb - whatever they are accusing him of, they are guilty of actually doing.
 

bullskin

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Exactly, he knows the Dems won't accept the 2020 election results again - and their vote by mail ballot push due to "Wuhan Flu" assures massive fraud & delays. That's their plan & I'm sure a whole shitload of dem attorneys are on retainer preparing their arguments.
Rule of thumb - whatever they are accusing him of, they are guilty of actually doing.
At least for now, the only group anticipating the rejection of election results are Trump supporters under the assumption that mail-in ballots encourage fraud. Meanwhile there appears to be no evidence of this claim (according to the Brookings Institute). Even the data displayed on the White House website shows a greater incidence of voter fraud in Alabama, for example, (which does not allow no-excuse mail-in balloting) than in Oregon which has permitted mail-in balloting for decades. So, where is the evidence to support your claim?

In any event, election abnormalities have been recognized for years, yet nothing has been done to address them at a Federal level. By what logic, then, should Republicans contest the electoral process? At this point, we have no choice but to leave it to the states to determine the most appropriate practices--as is their prerogative under the Constitution unless Congress passes laws to effect change.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
Here an article of enlightenment for some of you naysayers that think Trumps tweets are dumb.......except when he has an intent........and if you read this you will see the grasshopper is as dumb as a fox.....so Bullskin gave him credit for being a politician........Was there an intent?..

Bullskin the Brooking Institute knowingly promoted the false Russian Collusion Hoax .......there's a thread on this forum that supports that fact. So we know they do studies to support the party's position on things.....Not too credible when they write fake news!! We also know there's been proof of cheating in elections and Obama telling the illegals to vote in the last election was well documented since he did it in a speech!




 
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bullskin

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I cannot own the suggestion that people believe Trump's tweet was "dumb"--that came from RookieWY.

I share President Trump's concern for election integrity, but I do wonder why it has taken three and one-half years for him to consider action toward that goal. Regardless, I will give him credit for initiating the conversation. I find it remarkable (as an "accomplished negotiator"), however, that he jumped straight to a solution without first elucidating his rationale, providing evidence that his solution would achieve the desired result, and discussing it with those who must ultimately make the decision. Perhaps his suggestion will motivate serious action on the part of Congress, and that is a good thing.

If there are to be any valid conclusions regarding the question of mail-in ballots they must begin with good data. With regard to the Brookings Institute, the data compiled by that group is cited equally by conservative and liberal causes alike, belying any argument intended to portray them as biased. Of course, there are many other sources of data on this matter, so which would you prefer?

Regarding the "false collusion hoax," I do not know what position Brookings took on that matter, but if it supported the investigation, then that was hardly a bad decision even if it turns out that there was no malfeasance involved. One cannot tell what any investigation will reveal until it is complete. I do not understand why any neutral party would prevent an investigation of possible wrongdoing on the grounds that they cannot ensure the finding of guilt. That is the action of a political partisan. Instead, I would have preferred that both parties laid all information on the table in order to achieve swift and accurate justice and accountability to the American people.

Finally, as for Obama, I am not familiar with the statements you describe, but do believe that he should be held accountable. Again, we would be better off if all information were on the table so that Americans might make informed decisions. Regardless, I do not believe that Obama's behavior excuses Trumps', or vice versa, as you appear to suggest. By that standard, we should expect no accountability by any public servant.
 

grizzly

Long Time Member
Grizz you may want to have to sit down for this but Trump is going to win because America has seen thru the charades your party thought would work in removing him from office.
You don't know my party and I've never said he wouldn't win. Wise up.
 

grizzly

Long Time Member
Edit... No reason for me to get sucked into the personal attack crap. I'll leave that to the Trumpeters
 
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Boskee

Long Time Member
You keep trying to flex those short legs and yet can't seem to be able to make a valid point or keep up. It's a roll that fit's you well. One things for sure your little legs go faster than your small mind. It sure explains why you keep tripping over your own lack of acumen on a political forum.

By the way how's that legal action going on deterring Trump on progressing with the wall..........

Oh wait I'll help you


Supreme Court won’t intervene in last stages of border-wall construction projects..........Hmmm
 
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hossblur

Long Time Member
I started to ignore Tristate. But he does suck dudes in with bullshit. Trump I think gets an ego trip from getting idiots foaming at the mouth.

Tristate does
 

antlerradar

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I believe better government requires that EVERY politician be exposed to scrutiny.
Then you will be voting straight Republican this fall because the 95% of people that are charged with doing the scrutinizing will say nothing critical of the democratic party. Instead they fail to cover or deflect when a democrat is in the wrong.
There was a time when I voted for some center left democrats, I still agree with the party on some issues, but I can not vote for a person if I can not trust the media to hold them accountable.
 

eelgrass

Long Time Member
Postpone the election? On the surface it would seem like something to consider with all the covid fear and the cluster chaos that is bound to happen with the Nov. 3rd date. Mail in ballots, what an expensive mess that will be. They better start now if that's the plan.

The way the US is handling the virus, it could be here for a couple more years. Sweden is pretty much back to normal and they never shut down schools or their economy. But I digress.....
 

bullskin

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Then you will be voting straight Republican this fall because the 95% of people that are charged with doing the scrutinizing will say nothing critical of the democratic party. Instead they fail to cover or deflect when a democrat is in the wrong.
There was a time when I voted for some center left democrats, I still agree with the party on some issues, but I can not vote for a person if I can not trust the media to hold them accountable.
I agree with your assessment except for the apparent conclusion that Republicans do not similarly seek cover and so deserve my support.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
Bullskin The Brookings Institute got caught writing knowingly false articles to support the Russian Collusion Hoax. That tends to support them being a propaganda arm rather than a think tank. The fact well educated people wrote propaganda to support other false publications is quite telling and exposes to what length's the dems went to in the damn mess.

It's time to open your peepers and face reality instead of sitting back and keep going with the Orange Man bad crapola.

You keep wanting accountability but yet keep rejecting it when it involves the dems..........can you see a pattern here.

Can your grasp the fact they used the Brookings Institute to try to lend support to their Russian Collusion Hoax as a point of credibility to help dupe people. They did the same thing with the voter fraud issue and they know they've been caught at that many times before but denial works. You think Obama telling all the illegal's to vote wasn't illegal? Come on you're smarter than that. If they lied to the entire population of this country and the rest of the world, to perpetrate their fraud you don't think they'll lie to you about other items? It seems your accountability meter needs to be recalculated........it's not able to pick up the BS factor or untruth's correctly!
 

Gunnihunter

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Trump has no filter. A thought comes to his head and he speaks it or tweets it. The election will determine the future of the country, socialism or a republic. If you want America turned on it head, vote for Biden. If you care at all for the America we have known since 1776 vote for Trump, even if you hate him. To save the country there is no other choice.
 

grizzly

Long Time Member
You think Obama telling all the illegal's to vote wasn't illegal? Come on you're smarter than that.

It seems your accountability meter needs to be recalculated........it's not able to pick up the BS factor or untruth's correctly!
It's time to look in the mirror, my friend.

FAKE NEWS!!!

AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHY TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE CALLED LOW INFORMATION VOTERS!!!

Edited Fox News Propaganda...


Unedited Version...


Snopes Link... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

As Trump's former Chief of Staff said, "If you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
 

RELH

Long Time Member
On the other hand, Obama never took steps to stop the illegal immigrants being allowed to vote in CA. by our liberal Democrat politicians who allowed them to have driver a license that can be used to register for voting.
Trump has tried to take steps to make sure only lawful citizens are allowed to vote and the Democrats keep fighting it tooth and nail.
In other words Obama encouraged illegals to vote by turning his head and ignoring the problem.
RELH
 

bullskin

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Bullskin The Brookings Institute got caught writing knowingly false articles to support the Russian Collusion Hoax. That tends to support them being a propaganda arm rather than a think tank. The fact well educated people wrote propaganda to support other false publications is quite telling and exposes to what length's the dems went to in the damn mess.

It's time to open your peepers and face reality instead of sitting back and keep going with the Orange Man bad crapola.

You keep wanting accountability but yet keep rejecting it when it involves the dems..........can you see a pattern here.

Can your grasp the fact they used the Brookings Institute to try to lend support to their Russian Collusion Hoax as a point of credibility to help dupe people. They did the same thing with the voter fraud issue and they know they've been caught at that many times before but denial works. You think Obama telling all the illegal's to vote wasn't illegal? Come on you're smarter than that. If they lied to the entire population of this country and the rest of the world, to perpetrate their fraud you don't think they'll lie to you about other items? It seems your accountability meter needs to be recalculated........it's not able to pick up the BS factor or untruth's correctly!

False articles are news to me. I am curious to learn where your own reality is founded. May I ask where I may locate this information? My own google search of your claim yielded nothing.

As far as my rejection of Dem accountability, I believe you are hallucinating. I have never spoken in support of the Dems. Many among them are as dishonest as Trump. How did you ever arrive at the conclusion that I believe "Obama telling all the illegal's to vote wasn't illegal?"
 

bullskin

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Trump has no filter. A thought comes to his head and he speaks it or tweets it. The election will determine the future of the country, socialism or a republic. If you want America turned on it head, vote for Biden. If you care at all for the America we have known since 1776 vote for Trump, even if you hate him. To save the country there is no other choice.
Why must every political question turn into a referendum on Trump? Are we to avoid discussing these issues altogether in order to avoid holding our elected officials accountable? That is exactly the attitude that created the swamp to begin with. And, if we have no choices now but Trump and Biden, then it is because we failed to seek accountability when we had the chance. If we lose the country in November it is because too many clung to their own short-term advantages at the risk of long-term failure. That is the most important lesson here.
 

antlerradar

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I agree with your assessment except for the apparent conclusion that Republicans do not similarly seek cover and so deserve my support.
Not sure I follow you. Republicans often try to cover for them selves and when they do I can count on the press to hold them to task.
No one should expect the party to hold its self accountable.( It would be nice if they did.) That is the job of a free press. Sadly when it comes to Democrats we can no longer count on the press to do the job.
 

Gunnihunter

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Why must every political question turn into a referendum on Trump? Are we to avoid discussing these issues altogether in order to avoid holding our elected officials accountable? That is exactly the attitude that created the swamp to begin with. And, if we have no choices now but Trump and Biden, then it is because we failed to seek accountability when we had the chance. If we lose the country in November it is because too many clung to their own short-term advantages at the risk of long-term failure. That is the most important lesson here.
It is what it is. I wish there was another choice, but there is not. In this election the choice is clear, socialism or a republic. If your honest with yourself, you will see this, it is so evident.
 

bullskin

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Not sure I follow you. Republicans often try to cover for them selves and when they do I can count on the press to hold them to task.
No one should expect the party to hold its self accountable.( It would be nice if they did.) That is the job of a free press. Sadly when it comes to Democrats we can no longer count on the press to do the job.
I don't believe that most news outlets reliably hold both parties to task. While CNN and the Washington Post cover for Dems, Fox and Washington Times cover for Republicans. The result is a divided nation, with viewers/readers on either side convinced that they, alone, understand the truth.
 

grizzly

Long Time Member
False articles are news to me. I am curious to learn where your own reality is founded. May I ask where I may locate this information? My own google search of your claim yielded nothing.

As far as my rejection of Dem accountability, I believe you are hallucinating. I have never spoken in support of the Dems. Many among them are as dishonest as Trump. How did you ever arrive at the conclusion that I believe "Obama telling all the illegal's to vote wasn't illegal?"
Check out post 29. That never happened.
 

bullskin

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It is what it is. I wish there was another choice, but there is not. In this election the choice is clear, socialism or a republic. If your honest with yourself, you will see this, it is so evident.
This seems a false choice. Socialism and Republicanism are not even opposites, and neither precludes the other. Socialism manipulates ownership and production; Republicanism assigns power to the representatives of the people.

At its worst, I see this election as a choice between two forms of demagoguery--each focused on the interests of only a small fraction of society.
 

wetmule

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False articles are news to me. I am curious to learn where your own reality is founded. May I ask where I may locate this information? My own google search of your claim yielded nothing.

As far as my rejection of Dem accountability, I believe you are hallucinating. I have never spoken in support of the Dems. Many among them are as dishonest as Trump. How did you ever arrive at the conclusion that I believe "Obama telling all the illegal's to vote wasn't illegal?"
Bull, the Brookings is a far left swamp think tank with many ties to all those involved in this fiasco. FBI claimed that one of their primary sources for the bogus "Steele Dossier" (you know the thing they claimed was the basis for this whole Russia hoax) was living in Russia & they couldn't possibly give him up or reveal who he is. Turns out it's a guy named Igor Danchenko living in D.C. and working for the Brookings Institue... hmmm! Turns out Fiona Hill, witness of recent Ukraine phone call impeachment testimony against Trump also worked with the guy for Brookings.... hmmm!

There's lots of recent articles out there, here's a couple. One thing is for sure the swamp is deep. If the Republicans are part of the swamp as you suggest they live in the inflatable baby pool and the Dems occupy the deep end of the nasty La-Brea Tar Pit swamp pool.


 

bullskin

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Bull, the Brookings is a far left swamp think tank with many ties to all those involved in this fiasco. FBI claimed that one of their primary sources for the bogus "Steele Dossier" (you know the thing they claimed was the basis for this whole Russia hoax) was living in Russia & they couldn't possibly give him up or reveal who he is. Turns out it's a guy named Igor Danchenko living in D.C. and working for the Brookings Institue... hmmm! Turns out Fiona Hill, witness of recent Ukraine phone call impeachment testimony against Trump also worked with the guy for Brookings.... hmmm!

There's lots of recent articles out there, here's a couple. One thing is for sure the swamp is deep. If the Republicans are part of the swamp as you suggest they live in the inflatable baby pool and the Dems occupy the deep end of the nasty La-Brea Tar Pit swamp pool.


Thank you. I do not intend to defend Brookings. I understood when I used that citation that both parties characterize Brookings as a tool of the other, which is why I invited Boskee to provide a more reliable source of information to support the claim that mail-in balloting increases voter fraud. So far, no suggestions have been offered and no evidence presented to support it, which is the relevant question under the circumstances of this thread.
 

bullskin

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It's time to look in the mirror, my friend.

FAKE NEWS!!!

AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHY TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE CALLED LOW INFORMATION VOTERS!!!

Edited Fox News Propaganda...


Unedited Version...


Snopes Link... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

As Trump's former Chief of Staff said, "If you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Wow. It is clear here that even Cavuto misunderstood Obama's reply. The woman did not ask if an illegal alien trying to vote might be apprehended, but rather whether the illegal family of a US citizen might suffer that fate. While I disagree with the right of any person born on this soil to automatically become a citizen regardless of the illegal status of their parents, it is what it is, and neither party appears eager to change it. And the law provides that every legal citizen can vote. Under the circumstances, Obama told the truth--the citizen exercising her right to vote does not jeopardize the family. I would also liked to have heard him say that they really ought to pack it back to Mexico and apply for legal citizenship, but, given that Obama deported more illegals than even the preceding six Republican presidents combined, I do not believe he neglected US immigration law enforcement.

How do you respond to Griz's point, Boskee? Have you exercised due caution in selecting your resources?
 
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Bluehair

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It's time to look in the mirror, my friend.

FAKE NEWS!!!

AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHY TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE CALLED LOW INFORMATION VOTERS!!!

Edited Fox News Propaganda...


Unedited Version...


Snopes Link... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

As Trump's former Chief of Staff said, "If you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Obama paraded illegals across the stage at the White House while I had to certify under penalty of jail that I verified the immigration status of the people I hired.

Don't give me that lame bullsquirt that just because Obama didn't get caught saying it, it isn't what he wished for. You can do better.

I can't really articulate what a POS I think Obama is.
 

bullskin

Active Member
Boskee -- "You keep wanting accountability but yet keep rejecting it when it involves the dems"

If I "keep" rejecting accountability as you say, then surely you can provide a few examples where I have done so. What are you even talking about?
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
It's time to look in the mirror, my friend.

FAKE NEWS!!!

AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHY TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE CALLED LOW INFORMATION VOTERS!!!

Edited Fox News Propaganda...


Unedited Version...


Snopes Link... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

As Trump's former Chief of Staff said, "If you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Once again you prove your own ignorance using snopes to fact check anything........Get serious LOL It would appear your keep bringing a knife to a gunfight......and since you think snopes is reliable you just showed who the low information source is..........YOU!!
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
Boskee -- "You keep wanting accountability but yet keep rejecting it when it involves the dems"

If I "keep" rejecting accountability as you say, then surely you can provide a few examples where I have done so. What are you even talking about?
You can;t really be that naive can you. I cited the article on another thread on this forum....go look it up, here we'll make it easy for you The Left's Brooking Institute Key Collaborator on page 2 of this forum. Can you handle that?

Then to the voter issue is a voter required to be a US citizen to vote? It's a yes or no question

Then since the dems are changing the laws in many states to allow drivers licenses for illegals and ALLOW a drivers license as a acceptable form of ID to vote, can you open your mind enough to see the correlation. Now since i live in a border state and the activist organizations are going out and enrolling voters that have drivers licenses for id let's see you try to debunk the fact it's happened. Then a few years back one of those little activists got caught dropping off a few hundred bundled ballots at a voting office with a big fat picture on a camera. Now Einstein how is it possible for one individual to get his hands on that many ballots when they're were supposed to be mailed in? OOPs The law got changed right after that little incident wonder why?

Why does CA. allow ballot harvesting? Do you even know what the hell that is? It's time to open your eyes Bullskin. You admit politics is a dirty business yet can't fathom illegal voting or a union boss telling his employees to vote one way to keep their job. It's been going on for years why in the hell do you think the dems OPPOSE LEGAL VOTER ID..........It would seem a major political party wouldn't be opposed to that but then they always are.......EVEN WHEN OFFERED AS FREE. Think about it the party that lied to you for 3.5 years is against free legal voter picture id........WHY?

And yes Obama did get caught saying it would be ok for illegals to vote if they could......The fact information is purged off the internet doesn't discount the fact he said those words in a public setting. Let's see we're now banking on the reliability of the guy whose administration launched an illegal investigation into a sitting president to spy on him, used the IRS illegally, sold guns to drug cartels to kill innocent civilians, and left Americans to die from a terrorist attack, and them blamed the whole mess on an internet movie, destroyed servers and evidence incapable of telling illegals to vote? You two clowns just lowered the bar on the democrats standard of loyalty over fact to new lows. Congratulations......here's your sign......LOL

By the way here's a link that show's Obama implying illegals won't be investigated for voting.......The simple answer would have been No you can't vote but he chose his words to work around the issue not openly tell them they couldn't vote. . This is typical Obama and liberaleze for another work around to an issue he couldn't control.. He even amazed Cavoto with his response. Cavuto wasn't fooled he was astounded at what he just heard. Listen to his critique of the comment and then reflect on Obama knowing exactly what he did......just like DACA.

 
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antlerradar

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I don't believe that most news outlets reliably hold both parties to task. While CNN and the Washington Post cover for Dems, Fox and Washington Times cover for Republicans. The result is a divided nation, with viewers/readers on either side convinced that they, alone, understand the truth.
When it is hard to tell what side is getting the favorable press coverage it is best to follow the money. Ninety percent of the political donations by members of the press go to democrats.
 

bullskin

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You can;t really be that naive can you. I cited the article on another thread on this forum....go look it up, here we'll make it easy for you The Left's Brooking Institute Key Collaborator on page 2 of this forum. Can you handle that?

Then to the voter issue is a voter required to be a US citizen to vote? It's a yes or no question

Then since the dems are changing the laws in many states to allow drivers licenses for illegals and ALLOW a drivers license as a acceptable form of ID to vote, can you open your mind enough to see the correlation. Now since i live in a border state and the activist organizations are going out and enrolling voters that have drivers licenses for id let's see you try to debunk the fact it's happened. Then a few years back one of those little activists got caught dropping off a few hundred bundled ballots at a voting office with a big fat picture on a camera. Now Einstein how is it possible for one individual to get his hands on that many ballots when they're were supposed to be mailed in? OOPs The law got changed right after that little incident wonder why?

Why does CA. allow ballot harvesting? Do you even know what the hell that is? It's time to open your eyes Bullskin. You admit politics is a dirty business yet can't fathom illegal voting or a union boss telling his employees to vote one way to keep their job. It's been going on for years why in the hell do you think the dems OPPOSE LEGAL VOTER ID..........It would seem a major political party wouldn't be opposed to that but then they always are.......EVEN WHEN OFFERED AS FREE. Think about it the party that lied to you for 3.5 years is against free legal voter picture id........WHY?

And yes Obama did get caught saying it would be ok for illegals to vote if they could......The fact information is purged off the internet doesn't discount the fact he said those words in a public setting. Let's see we're now banking on the reliability of the guy whose administration launched an illegal investigation into a sitting president to spy on him, used the IRS illegally, sold guns to drug cartels to kill innocent civilians, and left Americans to die from a terrorist attack, and them blamed the whole mess on an internet movie, destroyed servers and evidence incapable of telling illegals to vote? You two clowns just lowered the bar on the democrats standard of loyalty over fact to new lows. Congratulations......here's your sign......LOL

By the way here's a link that show's Obama implying illegals won't be investigated for voting.......The simple answer would have been No you can't vote but he chose his words to work around the issue not openly tell them they couldn't vote. . This is typical Obama and liberaleze for another work around to an issue he couldn't control.. He even amazed Cavoto with his response. Cavuto wasn't fooled he was astounded at what he just heard. Listen to his critique of the comment and then reflect on Obama knowing exactly what he did......just like DACA.

"I cited the article on another thread on this forum....go look it up, here we'll make it easy for you The Left's Brooking Institute Key Collaborator on page 2 of this forum."

I have no idea why you are making this reference. I mentioned Brookings as one source that denies an increased risk of fraud by mail-in balloting but also acknowledged that both Dems and Republicans characterize Brookings as a tool of the other, which is why I invited you to provide a more reliable source of information to support the claim that mail-in balloting increases voter fraud. So far, none have been offered and no evidence presented to support it, which is the relevant question under the circumstances of this thread.

"Then since the dems are changing the laws in many states to allow drivers licenses for illegals and ALLOW a drivers license as a acceptable form of ID to vote"

Again, the statement is a pointless rebuttal as I have never suggested that a driver's license in the hands of an illegal alien should serve as adequate ID to vote. Stay on topic. If a driver's license is all it takes to vote, then it hardly matters whether one votes by mail or in person, does it? These states need to clean up their act for sure, but, again, where is the evidence that mail-in voting increases fraud? I am not suggesting that instances of mail-in fraud do not exist. There are many examples of fraud and failure that involve in-person voting (ballot harvesting, union/employer pressure, etc). But that is not the issue addressed in this thread, is it? The question is whether the election should be postponed based upon the claim that mail-in voting lends itself to more fraud, and whether evidence supports that conclusion.

"And yes Obama did get caught saying it would be ok for illegals to vote if they could"

That is not what I just witnessed in the video clips posted on this thread and intended to support that very claim. If you have any evidence of this, then please provide it and I will happily accept it. I have always liked Cavuto and would hate to discover that he is as untrustworthy as most of the other talking heads on Fox and those who repeat their rhetoric without question.

The condemnation of Obama that follows in the rest of your paragraph may be spot-on, but, again, irrelevant to the question of mail-in ballots and fraud. Stay on topic, if you can. Do not expect me to defend Obama. I have no more love for him than for liars, generally. And thanks for the link, but Grizzly already provided Cavuto's snippet along with the entire interview in order that viewers might see how Fox edited his statement to mislead viewers. I have already addressed that issue above. But, again, your entire statement has nothing to do with mail-in balloting. Stay on topic. Should the election be postponed, and why? If you could hold that thought long enough to compose two sentences into some form of insightful analysis that would be best. This does not have to become a referendum on Trump or Obama, both of which appear to be distractions from one simple question that may be decided concisely and objectively: Election? Postpone?
 

bullskin

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When it is hard to tell what side is getting the favorable press coverage it is best to follow the money. Ninety percent of the political donations by members of the press go to democrats.
Some outlets consistently criticize one party while consistently praising the other. The relative impact of this bias depends upon the number of viewers of each, which appears to be evenly spit.

Solution? Ignore those outlets and work hard to identify those without bias. No member of the press should ever donate to any political party. Michael Smerconish argues that they should not even vote to help avoid bias. I would not go that far, but I do believe that most of the press does not live up to a very high standard in that regard. Business Insider, Market Watch, AllSides, and others that study bias in media may help viewers identify outlets to be avoided. Sadly, the worst of the bunch are often the most popular among partisans on both sides, and their programming is designed to increase their own audience. It seems pretty clear that most Americans are misled. We must rely on reputable, not necessarily popular, outlets to help us form our decisions. These are the only ones working to keep both sides honest. The rest are just reality TV dressed up as news.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
Bullskin...You're a little devoid of logic. Brooking discredited themselves by writing propaganda articles or is that over your head? Your source isn't reliable. For the same reason people don't quote the NY Times or Washington post unless they verify the source information because they write nonfactual crap. Can you comprehend the correlation.

Go listen to the video i posted on this thread and rethink your answer. Notice the smirk on her face when she calls illegals citizens and Obama states that if you vote you're a citizen but nobody will investigate it if you do. Once again your devoid of logic. He could have easily answered NO you can't vote but didn't. Notice my comments on Cavuto and his comments where he couldn't believe what he just heard. Now unless you're challenged to comprehend the spoken dialect of this country the former president just told them they could vote and nobody would check it. Do you know what plausible deniability is? He chose his words carefully but didn't state the obvious answer can you grasp that? If not that's your issue not Cavuto's or mine of the author in the article. So let me ask you this given the timeframe involved don't you think other things could be edited. If you take Obama's words and beleive me millions of us heard them it was clear as a bell. In fact if you go back on this forum you'll find old threads addressing it on other topics.

So since you think you're so astute..... Why didn't Obama offer up the simple legally correct answer? NO explain that, then correlate it into their illegal activities involving aliens........So you want us to accept the premise that coming in here illegally , drawing unemployment on a false SSN, and taking other benefits illegally supported by the left draws the line at voting when the highest elected official in the land didn't offer the correct response? Get serious You and your little sidekick are delusional. By the way I didn't have to do an damn internet search to find out if it happened. I pulled it right out of the old grey matter.

As to your instructions to stay on topic when you're not bright enough to see the fallacy of what you're professing as truth and all the other illegal acts that completely obliterate your feckless opinion, maybe it's you that actually needs to think about that which you opine. The fact illegals are voting supports my position quite easily and is factual if you did your own damn research you'd find it's easily supported. My statement above has everything to do with mail in balloting because that little guy that git caught on camera.had hundreds of ballots. If you had bothered to actually read and comprehend that it was crystal clear.

If you actually had the mental capacity to comprehend the written word you could have easily figured out the president doesn't have the power to change or postpone the election. Nemont commented on it and I supported his conclusion above in this thread.. You know I'm almost 80 years old and it would appear your education and reading comprehension skills could use a little work. So spare me your feelings of righteous indignation when it's clearly you that can'r seem to connect the dots or comprehend what going on in elections in this country.

People like you are easy marks for the dem party and the way they do things because frankly your like a damn lamb going to slaughter. By the way i did manage to hold a few thoughts while writing this so please make an effort to try to discern the content. If the vocabulary was over your head or the logic too concise for your comprehension seek clarity elsewhere.

Your ignorance abounds especially when you think Obama's actions and legislating from the bench don't effect the political process in this country especially when we know there's more than 30 million illegals in this country many of which have social security numbers, drivers licenses, and are getting benefits and actually voting.
The fact they may be opposing your choices as a legal voter and effecting the outcomes of our elections with their choices instead of yours only shows your lack of comprehension on the subject matter. So forgive me for being curt....... but it's time for you to go back to school and actually learn about our elective process then when one offers some information that can effect it in some manner you'll be able to grasp the subject matter.
 

bullskin

Active Member
Bullskin...You're a little devoid of logic. Brooking discredited themselves by writing propaganda articles or is that over your head? Your source isn't reliable. For the same reason people don't quote the NY Times or Washington post unless they verify the source information because they write nonfactual crap. Can you comprehend the correlation.

Go listen to the video i posted on this thread and rethink your answer. Notice the smirk on her face when she calls illegals citizens and Obama states that if you vote you're a citizen but nobody will investigate it if you do. Once again your devoid of logic. He could have easily answered NO you can't vote but didn't. Notice my comments on Cavuto and his comments where he couldn't believe what he just heard. Now unless you're challenged to comprehend the spoken dialect of this country the former president just told them they could vote and nobody would check it. Do you know what plausible deniability is? He chose his words carefully but didn't state the obvious answer can you grasp that? If not that's your issue not Cavuto's or mine of the author in the article. So let me ask you this given the timeframe involved don't you think other things could be edited. If you take Obama's words and beleive me millions of us heard them it was clear as a bell. In fact if you go back on this forum you'll find old threads addressing it on other topics.

So since you think you're so astute..... Why didn't Obama offer up the simple legally correct answer? NO explain that, then correlate it into their illegal activities involving aliens........So you want us to accept the premise that coming in here illegally , drawing unemployment on a false SSN, and taking other benefits illegally supported by the left draws the line at voting when the highest elected official in the land didn't offer the correct response? Get serious You and your little sidekick are delusional. By the way I didn't have to do an damn internet search to find out if it happened. I pulled it right out of the old grey matter.

As to your instructions to stay on topic when you're not bright enough to see the fallacy of what you're professing as truth and all the other illegal acts that completely obliterate your feckless opinion, maybe it's you that actually needs to think about that which you opine. The fact illegals are voting supports my position quite easily and is factual if you did your own damn research you'd find it's easily supported. My statement above has everything to do with mail in balloting because that little guy that git caught on camera.had hundreds of ballots. If you had bothered to actually read and comprehend that it was crystal clear.

If you actually had the mental capacity to comprehend the written word you could have easily figured out the president doesn't have the power to change or postpone the election. Nemont commented on it and I supported his conclusion above in this thread.. You know I'm almost 80 years old and it would appear your education and reading comprehension skills could use a little work. So spare me your feelings of righteous indignation when it's clearly you that can'r seem to connect the dots or comprehend what going on in elections in this country.

People like you are easy marks for the dem party and the way they do things because frankly your like a damn lamb going to slaughter. By the way i did manage to hold a few thoughts while writing this so please make an effort to try to discern the content. If the vocabulary was over your head or the logic too concise for your comprehension seek clarity elsewhere.

Your ignorance abounds especially when you think Obama's actions and legislating from the bench don't effect the political process in this country especially when we know there's more than 30 million illegals in this country many of which have social security numbers, drivers licenses, and are getting benefits and actually voting.
The fact they may be opposing your choices as a legal voter and effecting the outcomes of our elections with their choices instead of yours only shows your lack of comprehension on the subject matter. So forgive me for being curt....... but it's time for you to go back to school and actually learn about our elective process then when one offers some information that can effect it in some manner you'll be able to grasp the subject matter.
Don't like Brookings? I have repeatedly invited you to provide a better source if you disagree with their assessment.

You assume that Obama adopts the same definition of "citizen" as Ms. Rodriguez, who incorrectly applies the term even to illegals. When he speaks of "citizens" voting he is not applying the same definition. Indeed, "citizens" of the sort described by Ms Rodriguez CANNOT vote, and so he is clearly speaking about legal citizens voting, and honestly stating that the illegal family members of legal citizens are not at risk. He even adds "if you have a family member who is undocumented, then you [as a legal citizen] have a greater reason to vote..." Now, I would have preferred that he advised then all to go home, and do not accept that supporting the interests of non-citizens is a legitimate concern of a president we have elected, but he did, in fact, answer the question honestly, and that alone is a refreshing improvement over today's political environment.

There is no doubt that Dems are unwilling to enforce our own laws regarding immigration, but, sadly for you, this video does not demonstrate that claim that Obama encouraged illegal voting. You had better listen to the entire transcript, not just the snippet Fox fed you. And, if you have time to compose thousands of comments on this forum, then certainly you have time enough to ensure their accuracy. Maybe less is more...?

"If you actually had the mental capacity to comprehend the written word you could have easily figured out the president doesn't have the power to change or postpone the election."

And, if you could read, then you would understand that I never suggested that Trump did have that power. What he did do was "suggest" that the election be postponed---and that is what I wrote. I did not respond to NeMont's point since it was an independent comment on this thread and not obviously in reply to my own.

Finally, in response to the suggestion that I am either not aware of, or concerned about, illegal immigrants I can only say that you misread me. Actually, you fictionalize me. I have never said anything to condone their presence or excuse their impacts on the rest of us. It is almost as though you are so overwhelmed that you cannot even address one relatively simple question (Election Security?) without becoming wrapped up in other important, but tangential, issues. It must be difficult to form logical judgements on "big picture" ideas when one cannot even analyze the pieces that make up this picture.
 
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Boskee

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Bully bully, In case you hadn't noticed it's you that seems to have issues not being able to discern things that's why you keep asking folks for information and good news sources. The conservative point of view is under attack and the internet providers have been sanitizing and purging content from the public for years. In fact it's such and issues we just had a congressional hearing about that very fact and a few others. 2 people can hear a conversation and hear it completely different based on intent. Why would the gal admit she likes to call illegals citizens? Why didn't Obama offer up the easy answer? Hell he admitted he didn't have the power to legalize aliens for years and then he did DACA? So his intent more closely aligns with my hearing comprehension not your's. If you were right Obama would have enforced our laws instead of abusing them with the illegals. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year as an added expense for their insanity in not enforcing our laws. Why?

Don'r give me the argument because they care about humanity that's a false flag. If they cared about humanity they wouldn't be so pro-abortion and kill hundreds of thousands each and every year.of potential democrat voters. If they cared about humanity they wouldn't oppose the death penalty for mass murderers. If they were interested in humanity they wouldn't pay activists to tear apart this country and destroy peoples lives and beat and kill innocent civilians and policemen. If they cared about humanity they'd just follow the rules of this nation that gives them the vehicle to change our laws in a long established manner.

' If they cared about humanity they wouldn't fund the illegals risking death crossing our deserts to come here for a better life, many never making it. They can easily apply to come here legally like hundreds of thousands do every year.

If they cared about humanity they wouldn't have played politics with the COVID 19 virus throwing the sick back into infected nursing homes, resulting in more fatalities, then lie to hide the facts their plan wasn't working, and then blame the GOP. If they cared about humanity they wouldn't have traveled to other states with lower infection rates and drove up their infection rate. If you really think about that, it's something that should shock you because they were playing Russian roulette with people in other states with lower infection rates. Many states had things under control until the influx of the masses coming from Mexico and other higher infection rate states, drove up their numbers.

These are all examples of many things the dems do to try to tear this nation apart using their complicit media machine to lay the blame at Trumps and the GOP feet. Why would they launch a 3.5 year fraudulent investigation trying to remove a duly elected President? Why would any law abiding political party do this to their own people? It all comes down to one word.....POWER..... and with that word comes control and corruption. If they hold the power we don't need the laws and they can do anything they want, just like they do in socialist countries. The leaders & elites will scoop off the profits and throw the crumbs to the masses just like Russia and many other failed socialist countries around the world.

You see bullskin while you're busy splitting hairs the democrats are busy figuring our a way to conspire to steal your nation. You really don't seem up to being able to grasp the big picture instead focusing on the minutia they want you to focus on. So you keep worrying about the small stuff and they'll be happy you're playing with your rattle and your binky, while they're tending to the sordid business at hand.

Many of the other members on here with the ability to see the reality that confronts us won't buy the propaganda or fall for the ruse and hopefully can muster up enough support to save the republic from these lawless heathens who wish to take control.

If their intentions were so damn pure and honest they wouldn't need to be breaking our laws and spitting on the constitution, or lying to us on TV on every newscast, They would have rolled up their sleeves and went to work continuing to build the greatest nation on earth and fixing our issues within our laws and adherence to our constitution, rather than tearing it apart and breaking them.
 

bullskin

Active Member
...but nothing about hyperpartisan??
In terms of positioning, they rank OAN on the right as they rank MSNBC on left-"hyperpartisan". They conclude CNN is more centrist than either.
Bully bully, In case you hadn't noticed it's you that seems to have issues not being able to discern things that's why you keep asking folks for information and good news sources. The conservative point of view is under attack and the internet providers have been sanitizing and purging content from the public for years. In fact it's such and issues we just had a congressional hearing about that very fact and a few others. 2 people can hear a conversation and hear it completely different based on intent. Why would the gal admit she likes to call illegals citizens? Why didn't Obama offer up the easy answer? Hell he admitted he didn't have the power to legalize aliens for years and then he did DACA? So his intent more closely aligns with my hearing comprehension not your's. If you were right Obama would have enforced our laws instead of abusing them with the illegals. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year as an added expense for their insanity in not enforcing our laws. Why?

Don'r give me the argument because they care about humanity that's a false flag. If they cared about humanity they wouldn't be so pro-abortion and kill hundreds of thousands each and every year.of potential democrat voters. If they cared about humanity they wouldn't oppose the death penalty for mass murderers. If they were interested in humanity they wouldn't pay activists to tear apart this country and destroy peoples lives and beat and kill innocent civilians and policemen. If they cared about humanity they'd just follow the rules of this nation that gives them the vehicle to change our laws in a long established manner.

' If they cared about humanity they wouldn't fund the illegals risking death crossing our deserts to come here for a better life, many never making it. They can easily apply to come here legally like hundreds of thousands do every year.

If they cared about humanity they wouldn't have played politics with the COVID 19 virus throwing the sick back into infected nursing homes, resulting in more fatalities, then lie to hide the facts their plan wasn't working, and then blame the GOP. If they cared about humanity they wouldn't have traveled to other states with lower infection rates and drove up their infection rate. If you really think about that, it's something that should shock you because they were playing Russian roulette with people in other states with lower infection rates. Many states had things under control until the influx of the masses coming from Mexico and other higher infection rate states, drove up their numbers.

These are all examples of many things the dems do to try to tear this nation apart using their complicit media machine to lay the blame at Trumps and the GOP feet. Why would they launch a 3.5 year fraudulent investigation trying to remove a duly elected President? Why would any law abiding political party do this to their own people? It all comes down to one word.....POWER..... and with that word comes control and corruption. If they hold the power we don't need the laws and they can do anything they want, just like they do in socialist countries. The leaders & elites will scoop off the profits and throw the crumbs to the masses just like Russia and many other failed socialist countries around the world.

You see bullskin while you're busy splitting hairs the democrats are busy figuring our a way to conspire to steal your nation. You really don't seem up to being able to grasp the big picture instead focusing on the minutia they want you to focus on. So you keep worrying about the small stuff and they'll be happy you're playing with your rattle and your binky, while they're tending to the sordid business at hand.

Many of the other members on here with the ability to see the reality that confronts us won't buy the propaganda or fall for the ruse and hopefully can muster up enough support to save the republic from these lawless heathens who wish to take control.

If their intentions were so damn pure and honest they wouldn't need to be breaking our laws and spitting on the constitution, or lying to us on TV on every newscast, They would have rolled up their sleeves and went to work continuing to build the greatest nation on earth and fixing our issues within our laws and adherence to our constitution, rather than tearing it apart and breaking them.
I prefer honest answers over "easy" answers. You may be correct that Obama did not take a strong stand against illegals, but the "evidence" presented in video form here does not support the claim that he encouraged them to vote. My defense of Obama exists only as a correction to the record. Undoubtedly, both Dems and Republicans should have stood stronger against illegal immigration (as I have already argued), but my response here is limited to one specific and erroneous claim. And neither am I asking you to find such evidence on my behalf as it has nothing to do with the point of this thread. I address it now only because you feel compelled to take every issue and turn it into a referendum on president Trump.

The most dangerous question in politics today, I believe, is not Democratic policy or Republican policy. It is the lack of honesty, integrity and accountability in both parties. The real point of this thread (and others I have posted) is to challenge people to support their assertions one issue at a time, in order to avoid the partisan tactic of intentionally muddying the water with irrelevant information. There are plenty of strong opinions stated on these pages, and it is worth asking whether or not the facts merit such conclusions. It is worth taking time to judge our sources critically, and so I have left it open to others to question my sources as well as their own.

It is amazing to me that you have posted nine times and never actually addressed the question of postponing the election. Hundreds of words, yet you profess "not to have time...[to fact check]"? I get it that Trump is your boy, and that it is easier to speak in generalities and ask questions like "Why would...?," than address specifics, but none of this has the least relevance to the question of postponing the election. Not abortion. Not support for police. No one here is proclaiming the motives of every Democrat to be "pure." I expect that I am not alone here in believing the same can be said for every Republican. There is no doubt that, as parties, both are corrupt. Fortunately, disciplined individuals may still hold meaningful discussion on specific issues because they do not allow themselves to become distracted by questions irrelevant to those concerns. If you have anything to say about postponing the election, then say it, otherwise I suggest we move on.
 
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Boskee

Long Time Member
I answered your question way up above if you can read and reread the repeated answer. It doesn't matter one damn bit if any of us want to postpone the election we don't have the power to do so easily. So get down off your damn soapbox and go read some factual information about our elective process so you won't harp about things we have no control over and you simply have to ask about repeatedly to try to justify your ignorance.

As to your honesty in elections point until they change the laws it is non event. Politician's will never give up that cloak of protection that allows them to lie legally and get away with many more things that would astound you. I'll leave that topic for you to wrap yourself around to see just how honest you think those politicians really are.......But I won't answer any more of your questions on politics on this forum.
 
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bullskin

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While "we" may not change the date of the election, Congress can do so if it chooses, and so Trump's suggestion is not merely a hypothetical (although it is absurd, given that Congress will not act on it).

And I am not asking Congressmen to "give" up their cloak of protection--I am suggesting that we take it from them by holding then accountable--by demanding integrity in our elected leadership. The illegal actions of politicians are on us if we choose not to stand against them.
 

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