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Did anyone draw early archery bull resident pool bonus pass with 14 to 18 points? I am specifically interested in units 10 and 3a3c.
I'm curious as well. My dad didn't draw 10 with 18 points. Last year it was 100% with 14 points. I can't recall any hunt in any state for any species creeping 4+ points in one year.Did anyone draw early archery bull resident pool bonus pass with 14 to 18 points? I am specifically interested in units 10 and 3a3c.
Still finding it hard to believe some of these hunts are jumping 4-5 points. There's not enough super high point guys avaliable to make that happen over that many hunts. I guess the reports with show us but I have a feeling there's some major errors in the draw this year.I am not shocked to hear this honestly. I spoke with one outfitter as a non res with 20 points about a hunt that I would "should" have been guaranteed based off of past #s. That hunt was going to go to 25 points this year for non res. I know this isn't a fair comparison but it doesn't take many of these situations to rattle a point system. they have both Res and Non res clients starting to come terms with their age or where they are in the pool.
I think there are a lot of factors in play right.
Date Change
Non Res changing to Res
Realization of status in the point pool and people just wanting to hunt.
Moisture - I think there are a lot of people burning points based off the monsoon / winter combo
Crossbow Permits - Whether you agree with it or not rifle guys can convert to archery much easier now.
Draw report this year is going to be a fun one to break down
Im with you @longranger . I just have a gut feeling after talking to a number of outfitters and residents that we are going to see some weird shifts. I wish AZFG would include the 3000 code on the draw report. That would show you how many were in the shadows that could also disrupt these things.
What tag number did he get?My son drew 3A3C early archery resident 18 points. I had 10 was going to put in together average 14, but thought better of it. Point creep is getting unpredictable.
I think my dad drew #10 with 17 BP.What tag number did he get?
Is that unit 10 with 17 points or tag #10 unit 3a3c with 17 points?I think my dad drew #10 with 17 BP.
He's saying tag #10 for 3c with 17 points. So that proves the theory you were thinking. Time to give them a call.Is that unit 10 with 17 points or tag #10 unit 3a3c with 17 points?
I agree, make that call. I hope other people who drew unit 10 or 3a-3c post up how many points they had and their tag #.He's saying tag #10 for 3c with 17 points. So that proves the theory you were thinking. Time to give them a call.
The problem being seen is a few guys with lifetime licenses who should be in the resident pool didn't get tags with 18 points.The creep on 3C must have been ugly this year. Last year 15 was enough for 100% draw rate. Looks like this year 17 is probably the bar to clear.
I would suggest going on coueswhitetail.com in the campfire forum and bowsite.com AZ forum and ask the same question. Good LuckDid anyone draw early archery bull resident pool bonus pass with 14 to 18 points? I am specifically interested in units 10 and 3a3c.
I don't remember if you have to specify res or non-res when applying. maybe the issue is putting in non-res when applying but should be putting in res if you are a lifetime license holder?The problem being seen is a few guys with lifetime licenses who should be in the resident pool didn't get tags with 18 points.
They specify that you have to check non resident but that their system is "smart" and will recognize your lifetime license # and put you into the resident pool. Lol the fact that they think they are capable of coding that when they can't do anything else is nuts. I've heard abiut this a few times over the years but guys get the runaround from azgfd and they don't get anywhere. Many times they will resort to claiming your card was rejected to that's why you weren't drawn but its all BS.I don't remember if you have to specify res or non-res when applying. maybe the issue is putting in non-res when applying but should be putting in res if you are a lifetime license holder?
In any event I would be calling G&F office to find out the issue.
has anyone experienced this in the past? Or is this year the first time this snafu has shown up?
Ive drawn 3 tags with a lifetime license that wouldn’t have been possible if the computer hadn’t recognized my LH hunting license number. None this year however.They specify that you have to check non resident but that their system is "smart" and will recognize your lifetime license # and put you into the resident pool. Lol the fact that they think they are capable of coding that when they can't do anything else is nuts. I've heard abiut this a few times over the years but guys get the runaround from azgfd and they don't get anywhere. Many times they will resort to claiming your card was rejected to that's why you weren't drawn but its all BS.
It seems to me, that if there is a problem it started with the new system. Hopefully it is just a few of us that got caught in a minor glitch with this year's elk draw. I am in AZ right now and I am planning on going to the Tucson office tomorrow to see if anyone there might be able to give me any answers. I have a feeling they will not do anything until the draw summary goes public.I
Ive drawn 3 tags with a lifetime license that wouldn’t have been possible if the computer hadn’t recognized my LH hunting license number. None this year however.
I wonder what that one non-resident with 33 points is waiting for? Time off from work?I don't know if can see it, but here is the 3000 hunt code info from 7 of 2022
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I realized this after i posted the comment with it. Yes, I misspoke. SorryThat's not the 3000 hunt code, that's total sportsmen by point level after the draw. It includes 3000 point buyers as well as unsuccessful apps who gained a point.
I am aware of what you guys are questioning. I was making my own observation about the amount of creep this year.The problem being seen is a few guys with lifetime licenses who should be in the resident pool didn't get tags with 18 points.
My son drew 3A3C early archery resident 18 points. I had 10 was going to put in together average 14, but thought better of it. Point creep is getting unpredi
You are spot on IMHO plus the realization that with point creep your waiting 25 years to draw an early rifle.I am not shocked to hear this honestly. I spoke with one outfitter as a non res with 20 points about a hunt that I would "should" have been guaranteed based off of past #s. That hunt was going to go to 25 points this year for non res. I know this isn't a fair comparison but it doesn't take many of these situations to rattle a point system. they have both Res and Non res clients starting to come terms with their age or where they are in the pool.
I think there are a lot of factors in play right.
Date Change
Non Res changing to Res
Realization of status in the point pool and people just wanting to hunt.
Moisture - I think there are a lot of people burning points based off the monsoon / winter combo
Crossbow Permits - Whether you agree with it or not rifle guys can convert to archery much easier now.
Draw report this year is going to be a fun one to break down
Maybe I can figure out who it is and point share with him. Then he can use his Point Guard and keep building points!!I wonder what that one non-resident with 33 points is waiting for? Time off from work?
Maybe I can figure out who it is and point share with him. Then he can use his Point Guard and keep building points!!
Sorry guys. Couldn't resist.
You are spot on!I am not shocked to hear this honestly. I spoke with one outfitter as a non res with 20 points about a hunt that I would "should" have been guaranteed based off of past #s. That hunt was going to go to 25 points this year for non res. I know this isn't a fair comparison but it doesn't take many of these situations to rattle a point system. they have both Res and Non res clients starting to come terms with their age or where they are in the pool.
I think there are a lot of factors in play right.
Date Change
Non Res changing to Res
Realization of status in the point pool and people just wanting to hunt.
Moisture - I think there are a lot of people burning points based off the monsoon / winter combo
Crossbow Permits - Whether you agree with it or not rifle guys can convert to archery much easier now.
Draw report this year is going to be a fun one to break down
Kool! Looking forward to seeing how close I'm NOT to getting drawn!!Update from azgfd today is they plan on posting the draw reports by next week.
Yes it's confusing.Speaking of AZGFD, have you seen their new website? I thought my computer went into safe mode when I first visited it. Lol
That’s going to take some time getting used to.
Having the log in button at the bottom of the page is dumb! Even if you select the three lines in the upper right, it doesn’t render good in landscape mode on my iPad and I have to rotate to portrait mode to see the login button from there,
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