Ryan Hatch update

[Twoshooter]

For those following this.
Jury trial ended in Utah last night. Guilty of 3rd degree Felony. Sentencing in February. Arizona trial still to come.
SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT-Kanab MANDY LARSEN December 09, 2022 Friday 09:00 AM 1 TRIAL-JURY WLR 211600067 State Felony STATE OF UTAH ATTY: VAN DYKE, ROBERT STOTT, JEFFREY VS. HAMBERLIN, ALAN DUDLEY ATTY: LAW, GREG OTN: DOB: 10/13/1948 F3 - WANTON DESTRUCTION OF PROTECTED WILDLIFE - 10/26/20 SHERIFF #: LEA #: 20-003571 > NO OTN NUMBER < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2 TRIAL-JURY WLR 211600066 State Felony STATE OF UTAH ATTY: VAN DYKE, ROBERT STOTT, JEFFREY VS. HATCH, RYAN SCOTT ATTY: FLINT, EDWARD OTN: 48271811 DOB: 09/17/1966 F3 - WANTON DESTRUCTION OF PROTECTED WILDLIFE - 10/26/20 MA - OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE - 10/26/20

 

[roadrunner]

Whew! Man it's been a nail-biter...

 

[hornkiller]

How about the wlh crap?

 

[Tristate]

Very interesting. I wonder how he obstructed justice?

 

[Weiserbucks]

Very interesting. I wonder how he obstructed justice?

Lying to law enforcement is considered obstruction of justice in some states.

 

[BrowningRage]

Very interesting. I wonder how he obstructed justice?

Maybe parking his truck to block a road...
Woops, wrong muley celebrity

 

[roadrunner]

Lying to law enforcement is considered obstruction of justice in some states.

Obstruction of justice is often used as one of those made up things to get one's way...

 

[Twoshooter]

Lying to law enforcement is considered obstruction of justice in some states.

They may have dropped the obstruction charge at the end based on juristictional issues with Arizona.

 

[Twoshooter]

Very interesting. I wonder how he obstructed justice?

The obstruction probably had to do with him leaving camp with a phone and a set of antlers that disapeared somewhere before they caught up with him.

 

[Founder]

Wow! I wonder if he could get actual jail time?

 

[Utah400Elk]

Sure could. The bigger issue for him (IMO) will be the lifetime ban on firearms that come with the felony conviction.

 

[Weiserbucks]

Wow! I wonder if he could get actual jail time?

For a felony? What do you think? Do you think he shouldn't do time, especially considering he's a repeat offender?

 

[Weiserbucks]

Sure could. The bigger issue for him (IMO) will be the lifetime ban on firearms that come with the felony conviction.

You don't need a gun to poach.

 

[one_dryboot]

Amazing The lengths some people will go to keep their face relevant on the cover of magazines.

 

[hossblur]

Look at the difference in this one vs Berryblaster.


One stands up admits a possible mistake and takes the hit. The other is Hatch.

For a deer😳.

 

[elkantlers]

Look at the difference in this one vs Berryblaster.


One stands up admits a possible mistake and takes the hit. The other is Hatch.

For a deer😳.

what happened to BB

 

[Tikka]

It truly is sad what one will do to stay relevant…

 

[Deerdon]

Sure could. The bigger issue for him (IMO) will be the lifetime ban on firearms that come with the felony conviction.

Him an Hamberlin as well!

 

[hossblur]

what happened to BB

Elk forum

 

[lif]

So hamberlin was guilty as well?

 

[Twoshooter]

So hamberlin was guilty as well?

Yes, both guilty. They were tried simultaneously.

 

[Joe2Kool]

Yes, both guilty. They were tried simultaneously.

Interesting. The prosecution must have proven he knew what was happening.

A matter of miles - trial begins for Utah/Arizona poaching case

In a trial beginning on Tuesday, December 6, 2022, hunter Alan Hamberlin and guide Ryan Hatch have been charged with the “wanton destruction of protected wildlife” - put in layman’s terms, the pair are charged with poaching a trophy buck within Utah borders. The allegations of the case involve...

www.sunews.net

Reading the charges, I'd say shooting an animal in one unit/state, and it running into another unit/state before dying happens. I guess the right thing to do is contact the local game warden prior to proceeding.

 

[JakeH]

Very interesting. I wonder how he obstructed justice?

"The state is also charging Hatch with obstruction of justice, alleging that he withheld evidence in the form of the buck’s head, phone records of the event and misleading investigating officers in stating where the actual hunt took place. According to the state’s report, this incident occurred on or around October 26, 2020. "

 

[bucks]

Does anyone have a photo of the deer shot?

 

[lif]

I think the head and cape was shared in this thread. Scroll up

 

[lif]

Or maybe it got taken down for some reason

 

[smokepolejohnson]

Hopefully justice is served, At Ryan’s age he may want to go the route of the garage sale for finding those show stopper buck.

 

[Twoshooter]

Does anyone have a photo of the deer shot?

 

[elkassassin]

Nice Brows & Bases!

Outside of That The Buck Ain't Worth What It's Gonna Cost Somebody!

 

[Deerdon]

Interesting. The prosecution must have proven he knew what was happening.

A matter of miles - trial begins for Utah/Arizona poaching case

In a trial beginning on Tuesday, December 6, 2022, hunter Alan Hamberlin and guide Ryan Hatch have been charged with the “wanton destruction of protected wildlife” - put in layman’s terms, the pair are charged with poaching a trophy buck within Utah borders. The allegations of the case involve...

www.sunews.net

Reading the charges, I'd say shooting an animal in one unit/state, and it running into another unit/state before dying happens. I guess the right thing to do is contact the local game warden prior to proceeding.

The charges (prosecution) indicated the buck was tracked and shot in Utah. The defense was that it was shot in AZ and then ran into Utah. The jury seems to have felt the evidence did not support the defenses version.

 

[deadibob]

Very interesting. I wonder how he obstructed justice?

Farted in a DWR truck while being questioned.

 

[Vanilla]

Nice Brows & Bases!

Outside of That The Buck Ain't Worth What It's Gonna Cost Somebody!

Is any buck worth losing your business and career?

It’s too bad people have to stoop to these levels. All for a deer? When there are a bunch of other giant deer on the unit you could have actually legally hunted? It will never make sense to me.

 

[lostinOregon]

Awesome buck

 

[elkassassin]

I Talked With Ryan a Few Weeks ago!

Think about what You Just Said Niller!

Think!

There Isn't a Bunch Of Giant Deer Left on any Unit!

If There Was,People That Live/Guide On The Unit Would Still Be Harvesting Them In Perty Good Numbers!

Please Niller!

Get Hold Of Websters & Re-Write The Definition GIANT DEER!

Is any buck worth losing your business and career?

It’s too bad people have to stoop to these levels. All for a deer? When there are a bunch of other giant deer on the unit you could have actually legally hunted? It will never make sense to me.

 

[Weiserbucks]

There Isn't a Bunch Of Giant Deer Left on any Unit!

If There Was,People That Live On The Unit Would Still Be Harvesting Them In Perty Good numbers!

You can't get a tag every year or even every 20 years where the giants live, and I mean where they're at on a consistent basis. Quit kidding yourself about locals slaying giants every year OTC.

 

[S-3 Ranch]

Is any buck worth losing your business and career?

It’s too bad people have to stoop to these levels. All for a deer? When there are a bunch of other giant deer on the unit you could have actually legally hunted? It will never make sense to me.

I’m sure he’s kicking himself thinking about it

 

[Deerdon]

You can't get a tag every year or even every 20 years where the giants live, and I mean where they're at on a consistent basis. Quit kidding yourself about locals slaying giants every year OTC.

Don’t forget the shooter, Alan Hamberlin, has a checkbook that is MORE than capable of purchasing gov tags, landowner tags… etc. So he indeed does have the ability to give himself an edge and hunt in areas in which the giants do live.

 

[Tikka]

I hunted with Ryan in the early nineties, I can tell you it’s all about him… but I would’ve thought his old ways would’ve changed…

 

[Vanilla]

I Talked With Ryan a Few Weeks ago!

Oh…I’m jealous! Did he tell you all about how he isn’t going to be able to hunt or guide anymore?

 

[Vanilla]

There Isn't a Bunch Of Giant Deer Left on any Unit!

If There Was,People That Live On The Unit Would Still Be Harvesting Them In Perty Good Numbers!

This is silly, even for you.

If that’s true, you need to quit blaming the DWR as they can’t control Arizona!

 

[elkassassin]

I Made A Small Revision & Added Guides/People So You 2 JOKERS Can See The Light!

GEEZUS!

I Never Said People Were Getting Tags Every F'N Year!

WAKT THE F Up!

 

[Weiserbucks]

I Never Said People Were Getting Tags Every F'N Year!

WAKT THE F Up!

Wake up to what? I'm 39 and I'll probably die before you get the tag you want. Quit kidding yourself.

 

[Vanilla]

I Made A Small Revision & Added Guides/People So You 2 JOKERS Can See The Light!

GEEZUS!

I Never Said People Were Getting Tags Every F'N Year!

WAKT THE F Up!

If the bucks on the Pauns and Arizona Strip aren’t big enough for you bessy, then the problem is you.

God bless ya! Come to the expo before Saturday so you can buy me a Dew Zero.

 

[Bluehair]

More deer reduces poaching……but to get more deer we can’t hunt them as hard, so the poaching is justified.

Thats sarcasm for the hard of hearing.

 

[elkassassin]

Gonna Buy You a 64 Oz DEW +++!

Well Niller!

How Many 38"ERS Do You Think Were Harvested off the PAUNS This Year?

I'm Talkin Width!

Not Total Inches!

You Mighta Took The Last One!

That Makes You The Problem!

If the bucks on the Pauns and Arizona Strip aren’t big enough for you bessy, then the problem is you.

God bless ya! Come to the expo before Saturday so you can buy me a Dew Zero.

 

[Vanilla]

Sentencing is February 9th. It will be interesting to see what the court does, but much more interesting what DOPL and the DWR do.

 

[slamdunk]

Guessing that'll free up a big space at the Expo.....

 

[Deerdon]

Sentencing is February 9th. It will be interesting to see what the court does, but much more interesting what DOPL and the DWR do.

There was also mention of additional issues pending in Arizona. Anyone have any info on what that may involve...dates/charges?

 

[jagz]

who is Ryan Hatch and why should this forum care?

 

[hossblur]

Sentencing is February 9th. It will be interesting to see what the court does, but much more interesting what DOPL and the DWR do.

Dopl is pretty spineless. He'll just have his wife get licensed and be back in business by Feb

 

[smokepolejohnson]

Hopefully Tory B. Gets called for jury duty.

 

[Deerdon]

Wow! I wonder if he could get actual jail time?

I think the odds of jail time for poaching the buck are probably a bit slim. However, I have heard a few references indicating that this may very well have been a violation of the "Lacey Act" as well. A simple google search showed this: "The penalties for violating the Lacey Act include both felony and misdemeanor prison terms of up to five years, and fines as high as $250,000 for an individual." I'm no legal expert but if the buck was poached in Utah, and then transported to Arizona....?????

 

[accumark]

who is Ryan Hatch and why should this forum care?

Who are you? and why does anybody care about you? total freak

 

[Zeke]

Ya, that'll leave a mark on Ryan that'll be tough to rub out. Ouch!

Zeke

 

[ORIONTHEHUNTER]

His first offense didn't hurt him too much hopefully this one does

 

[ORIONTHEHUNTER]

Guessing that'll free up a big space at the Expo.....

Doubtful just like I bet muley freak has a booth there again and he is going on his third offense right now

 

[HikeHunt61]

I think the odds of jail time for poaching the buck are probably a bit slim. However, I have heard a few references indicating that this may very well have been a violation of the "Lacey Act" as well. A simple google search showed this: "The penalties for violating the Lacey Act include both felony and misdemeanor prison terms of up to five years, and fines as high as $250,000 for an individual." I'm no legal expert but if the buck was poached in Utah, and then transported to Arizona....?????

Well, if these dudes didn't go to prison for poaching, nobody ever will:

Wyoming Game and Fish Department - Three men convicted of numerous charges in one of the largest poaching cases in Wyoming history

wgfd.wyo.gov

 

[hossblur]

I think the odds of jail time for poaching the buck are probably a bit slim. However, I have heard a few references indicating that this may very well have been a violation of the "Lacey Act" as well. A simple google search showed this: "The penalties for violating the Lacey Act include both felony and misdemeanor prison terms of up to five years, and fines as high as $250,000 for an individual." I'm no legal expert but if the buck was poached in Utah, and then transported to Arizona....?????

I wondered about the Lacey Act as well.

 

[Founder]

I think the odds of jail time for poaching the buck are probably a bit slim. However, I have heard a few references indicating that this may very well have been a violation of the "Lacey Act" as well. A simple google search showed this: "The penalties for violating the Lacey Act include both felony and misdemeanor prison terms of up to five years, and fines as high as $250,000 for an individual." I'm no legal expert but if the buck was poached in Utah, and then transported to Arizona....?????

I just saw that a 3rd degree felony could result in jail time. It'll be interesting to see. Fines just don't seem strong enough on this one.

 

[hossblur]

Ya, that'll leave a mark on Ryan that'll be tough to rub out. Ouch!

Zeke

I don't know. WLH hasn't been harmed. In fact it seems in a weird way the deep.pocket crowd is more willing to hire a guide who will go to any length to get them that trophy. Legal or otherwise.

 

[jagz]

I don't know. WLH hasn't been harmed. In fact it seems in a weird way the deep.pocket crowd is more willing to hire a guide who will go to any length to get them that trophy. Legal or otherwise.

actually a very good point, Hossblur. A $150-200k dude wants his moneys worth and they don't care about the reputation of the despot that'll help achieve the goals set

 

[Wiszard]

Sure could. The bigger issue for him (IMO) will be the lifetime ban on firearms that come with the felony conviction.

Criminals can get guns....

 

[Vanilla]

A third degree felony, what Hatch was convicted of, can be punished by 0-5 years in prison. (Utah has indeterminate prison sentences.) The chances of him going to prison are zero. We don’t put dangerous criminals in prison throughout most of the state of Utah anymore, so a poacher isn’t going to prison. A short jail stint is a possibility, however.

I’m guessing that will depend upon how egregious the behavior was, and I don’t know all the facts. At a minimum, he’s convicted felon with a forever tarnished reputation, and I’m guessing the DWR will take some sort of action on his hunting privileges.

I hope that seized buck that won’t ever hang in his expo booth or shop or home of the hunter was worth it. I really hope it was worth it.

 

[S-3 Ranch]

I wondered about the Lacey Act as well.

Utah convicted them
Arizona is next
then he feds get a bite of the apple under Lacey act?

 

[Tristate]

Is he a Utah resident?

 

[Joe2Kool]

who is Ryan Hatch and why should this forum care?

Short version, a guide who had a client with an Arizona deer tag. Client allegedly killed a deer in Utah and tagged it with his AZ tag.

Prosecution said deer was killed in Utah illegally.
Defense said he shot the deer in Arizona and it ran into Utah and died. Prosecution won the case.

From what I've read and gathered, this isn't the first time he's been accused (convicted?) of game law infractions.

Google Ryan Hatch Arizona and you'll get more details.

 

[Vanilla]

Is he an Utah resident?

Not sure. His business is in Utah, but they are right on the border there so he could very easily live in Arizona. I’m guessing he lives in Utah based off prior interactions, however.

 

[Tristate]

Let me rephrase the question. Is the person who possessed the tag and shot the deer from Utah?

 

[Homer]

who is Ryan Hatch and why should this forum care?

well you're just a fireball newbie.....go jagz go.....

 

[smokepolejohnson]

Let me rephrase the question. Is the person who possessed the tag and shot the deer from Utah?

The Tag holder is a AZzhat resident, Ryan’s a tried and trued blue blood first class Utarrrd

 

[Homer]

Well, if these dudes didn't go to prison for poaching, nobody ever will:

Wyoming Game and Fish Department - Three men convicted of numerous charges in one of the largest poaching cases in Wyoming history

wgfd.wyo.gov

uh....two of them got jail time...or I can't read.....

 

[Tristate]

The Tag holder is a AZzhat resident, Ryan’s a tried and trued blue blood first class Utarrrd

Then lacey act is likely to apply.

 

[elkassassin]

Sounds Like Big Money!

But That Money Won't Even Help Replace The Game Animals They Poached/Stole!

Can You Imagine The Damage They've Done That Nobody Knows About?

Well, if these dudes didn't go to prison for poaching, nobody ever will:

Wyoming Game and Fish Department - Three men convicted of numerous charges in one of the largest poaching cases in Wyoming history

wgfd.wyo.gov

 

[Wiszard]

well you're just a fireball newbie.....go jagz go.....

@jagz Muley Crazy magazine/videos....Ryan Hatch is the owner and is/was known for finding and killing big deer.

 

[HikeHunt61]

uh....two of them got jail time...or I can't read.....

You're right- I missed it below...

 

[kickerbuck]

I think the odds of jail time for poaching the buck are probably a bit slim. However, I have heard a few references indicating that this may very well have been a violation of the "Lacey Act" as well. A simple google search showed this: "The penalties for violating the Lacey Act include both felony and misdemeanor prison terms of up to five years, and fines as high as $250,000 for an individual." I'm no legal expert but if the buck was poached in Utah, and then transported to Arizona....?????

Yes, if the buck was shot in Utah illegally then transported over the state line of Arizona you have a Federal Wildlife crime. But Utah or Arizona will have to get the USFW service involved for those charges.

 

[Shadow]

Criminals can get guns....

Common sense gun laws could fix that….or so we’re told.

 

[anonymousinutah]

For those following this.
Jury trial ended in Utah last night. Guilty of 3rd degree Felony. Sentencing in February. Arizona trial still to come.
SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT-Kanab MANDY LARSEN December 09, 2022 Friday 09:00 AM 1 TRIAL-JURY WLR 211600067 State Felony STATE OF UTAH ATTY: VAN DYKE, ROBERT STOTT, JEFFREY VS. HAMBERLIN, ALAN DUDLEY ATTY: LAW, GREG OTN: DOB: 10/13/1948 F3 - WANTON DESTRUCTION OF PROTECTED WILDLIFE - 10/26/20 SHERIFF #: LEA #: 20-003571 > NO OTN NUMBER < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2 TRIAL-JURY WLR 211600066 State Felony STATE OF UTAH ATTY: VAN DYKE, ROBERT STOTT, JEFFREY VS. HATCH, RYAN SCOTT ATTY: FLINT, EDWARD OTN: 48271811 DOB: 09/17/1966 F3 - WANTON DESTRUCTION OF PROTECTED WILDLIFE - 10/26/20 MA - OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE - 10/26/20

Hey ya'll. Jury member here. We found him not guilty of the obstruction charge because the prosecution failed to make a case for it and therefore had to ask us not to find him guilty. But that charge was brought because he stated first that his cell did not have gps or onx, but then later stated he didn't have his phone at all when he was pulled over later after they found the dead carcass. I can answer any and all questions now that the case is over!

 

[JakeH]

Hey ya'll. Jury member here. We found him not guilty of the obstruction charge because the prosecution failed to make a case for it and therefore had to ask us not to find him guilty. But that charge was brought because he stated first that his cell did not have gps or onx, but then later stated he didn't have his phone at all when he was pulled over later after they found the dead carcass. I can answer any and all questions now that the case is over!

Was the states case pretty cut and dry as far as where the deer was shot?

How did they prove the deer was shot in utah?

 

[Homer]

this should be fun.....popcorn time

 

[anonymousinutah]

No it wasn’t, I think they totally could’ve done better to prove their case, but it came down to did we believe the deer could’ve ran as far as the defense said it did (from in AZ to UT about 3 miles away) with shrapnel it’s in heart? And we decided based on expert testimony that no.

 

[Homer]

No it wasn’t, I think they totally could’ve done better to prove their case, but it came down to did we believe the deer could’ve ran as far as the defense said it did (from in AZ to UT about 3 miles away) with shrapnel it’s in heart? And we decided based on expert testimony that no.

wow...3 miles??.....smart jury. 3 miles into Utah?

 

[elkassassin]

SWEET GEEZUS!!!

 

[Wiszard]

What was the defendants demeanor like in court? Was there ever any discussion within the jury members that he'd been in trouble before and got off with a slap on the wrist and that wasn't going to happen on this offense?

 

[anonymousinutah]

What was the defendants demeanor like in court? Was there ever any discussion within the jury members that he'd been in trouble before and got off with a slap on the wrist and that wasn't going to happen on this offense?

No we weren’t allowed to google search at all so I had no idea! That’s what I’m saying about the prosecution I don’t know why they didn’t bring that up that totally would’ve pushed to come to a decision faster haha

Their demeanor was just emotionless. I couldn’t read them at all!

 

[anonymousinutah]

wow...3 miles??.....smart jury. 3 miles into Utah?

Yes

 

[elkassassin]

Was The Guyde That Turned Him In There & Did He Testify?

 

[anonymousinutah]

Yes, Sam Deiringer. We think him and his buddies were salty because their buck was taken from them (they testified they were watching and waiting for the same buck to go into AZ so they could take it), however the law is the law and our job was to determine whether or not they broke it, not if we think it was fair to report them for that reason. If that makes sense.

 

[lif]

So the buck died 3 miles into Utah north of the Arizona border? Where about in Utah did it die?did either of the two defendants testify?

 

[anonymousinutah]

So the buck died 3 miles into Utah north of the Arizona border? Where about in Utah did it die?did either of the two defendants testify?

Northwest of the border, they said they shot it southeast of the border in AZ. Alan testified Ryan did not.

 

[lif]

They didn’t give you an actual location on the map?

 

[Deerdon]

So it has been clearly determined the buck was taken in Utah. However, was there testimony, or actual evidence , that the buck was transported into Arizona? BTW: Anonymous…THANKS SO MUCH for coming on here and sharing info!

 

[anonymousinutah]

They did it’s just hard for me to explain without showing a picture, it was all country no mile markers or anything

 

[anonymousinutah]

So it has been clearly determined the buck was taken in Utah. However, was there testimony, or actual evidence , that the buck was transported into Arizona?

Oh yeah that was proven they went into Utah and packed it and brought it back that was admitted for sure.

 

[Deerdon]

Oh yeah that was proven they went into Utah and packed it and brought it back that was admitted for sure.

Wow! This sure seems to be exactly the type of behavior that would lead to an issue with the “Lacey Act!”

 

[lif]

Was there any other condemning evidence besides the ridiculous idea that the deer went 3 miles with lead in the heart?

 

[elkassassin]

If Ryan Didn't Have His Phone!

And He Didn't Have OnX!

How The Hell Did He Know Where He Was?

 

[Deerdon]

Did the head/cape disappear… or is its location known?

 

[anonymousinutah]

Wow! This sure seems to be exactly the type of behavior that would lead to an issue with the “Lacey Act!”

Yeah I’m not a hunter at all so I didn’t know about the Lacey act nor did they tell us any details about the AZ case. I’ll have to find out if they’ll be tried federally as well.

 

[anonymousinutah]

If Ryan Didn't Have His Phone!

And He Didn't Have OnX!

How The Hell Did He Know Where He Was?

Right! And he claimed he had no service so that was why he couldn’t call it in but yet he texted his buddy to bring them food and water lol