Should Idaho Have a Land owner voucher system?

JPickett

Member
No. A lot of these land owners already think they “own” the animals in it and can do as they please. Just because you can buy property doesn’t make you special. The wildlife belongs to the public regardless of who owns the land. Want to do as you please with game on your property? Put up a high fence and raise your farm animals to shoot, otherwise get in line like everyone else and draw a tag if your property is in a controlled hunt area
 

Homer

Long Time Member
so.....you don't think your deer and elk eating a private property owner's alfalfa should be compensated in some way???....

Does your neighbor feed your dog for free??
 

Howler

New Member
so.....you don't think your deer and elk eating a private property owner's alfalfa should be compensated in some way???....

Does your neighbor feed your dog for free??
What about the private property owners who run livestock on the public 4, 7, or 12 months out of the year? I’d say a few elk in there hayfield in the fall is a fair trade?
 

Howler

New Member
Your right, I bet 99 percent of them pay their usage fees and abide by the rules. I’m not saying they don’t. Lots of permittees pump water all spring, summer, and fall for their cattle and sheep. The same water the “publics” animals drink. That’s great, I appreciate that as a Sportsmen. All I’m saying is that the “public” allows those permittees on the range, is it going to kill them if they have a few elk And deer in the hayfield September and October?
 

Homer

Long Time Member
have you ever witnessed what a "few" look like on some ranches??

Have you ever witnessed deer in Winnemuca hay fields in april, may, june, july, august.............
 

Deepcolor

Active Member
Idaho is a fence out state, if they don't want game on their property they should build a fence .
This statement leads me to believe that you have never built or maintained any type of fence. Bordering on ignorant from my point of view.

The landowner tags are for landowners that own land that supports wildlife. This includes mountain ground for deer, elk, moose and any other wild creature that chooses to live on your land. The list could go on for a mile of all the different scenarios where a landowner provides a living space for a wild animal but you focus on a fence and a hay field. I strongly oppose the option to sell those tags for profit but fully support a tag system for landowners that provide habitat for “your” animals.
 
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JPickett

Member
Yeah these guys really want the tags for “ property damage “ give me a break. “ yup it that damn 190 buck and 380 bull eatin up all my crops” what a bunch of BS. Fish and game gave a million dollars to one land owner in Fairfield last year and shot 200 plus elk of I think the same guys property. Yes, build a F’n fence
 

Homer

Long Time Member
most of the depradation on private happens long after seasons are closed and you are home in your warm house while a rancher is trying to scrape up round bales flattened and two thirds eaten by elk and fed to a penned herd of cows..........hunting there during season would piss you off too for lack of game......
 

JPickett

Member
And you can’t hunt winter range without drawing essentially a once in a lifetime tag so I’m sure your perfectly fine with the tribes going out there and slaughtering bucks and bulls right? Slippery slope....
 

Mallards_Only

Active Member
As a farmer and landowner, I suspect I have a different view on this than most greedy farmers. If you choose to own land and farm it in an area with native species, then you should accept that as part of the risk of farming in that area. It's no different than battling weeds, insects, and other pests that are part of normal cultivation practices. If you don't want elk/deer eating your crop, build a fence. It's done all the time. Too hard to maintain??? Cry me a river. If done properly and if your crop damages are that extensive, the fence pays for itself in a short time. The state has made it too easy for farmers to augment their income by making wildlife loss claims. It's just more corrupt politicians in bed with the farm lobby stroking each other's backs.
 

N_Corey

Active Member
most of the depradation on private happens long after seasons are closed and you are home in your warm house while a rancher is trying to scrape up round bales flattened and two thirds eaten by elk and fed to a penned herd of cows..........hunting there during season would piss you off too for lack of game......
A farmer allowing elk to get into stored round bails is far different than crop damage. There’s absolutely no reason why a farmer can’t properly secure his winter feed so that elk aren’t able to get into it.
 

hornguy

Member
I think with alot of conditions this would be alright. I would also say that what the ranchers receive from F & G should be the same price as the rancher pays for aum's on public land. Think this year it is $1.38 per cow/calf pair per month. The ranchers in my area, Challis are pretty good about letting people hunt, but the growing majority are either corporate land owners or people who come to their ranch once a year.
 

JPickett

Member
Mallards understands. I know one of the biggest land owners in a controlled hunt unit. Friend of mine in his 60’s now and his family’s owned it since the area was homesteaded by his family. He told me the story of his dad way back in the day (60’s/70’s) and how he would grow and put out feed for the elk on the wintering grounds each year. Fish and game even came in and tried to supply feed and he wouldn’t let them through the gates. Said” I’ve worked too hard to keep this land weed free and won’t take your feed”

guy never took a dime or a hand from the state. Understood it was part of the life. Too bad those guys are all but gone. Good on you mallard
 

JPickett

Member
He also wouldn’t post all his property he owned damn near half unit. Would say “ you have to leave something for the hunters” he’d post what he wanted guys to stay out of but there was a lot he left open
 

THEBUTE

Member
JPickett I believe you're right farmers & ranchers do not own the wildlife. Just wondering if there isn't a better way to compensate them for cost of wildlife friendly fencing, pumping water, and feeding. IF&G issues tags to outfitters to sale.
Mallards_Only
I knew going in that I would have interaction with wildlife. Most agricultural people would never fence out wildlife from food, and water.
Idaho is a fence out state most landowners share the cost but not the Government (BLM). The cost to graze with a BLM permit is what keeps the price of beef down. This also hurts the rancher the doze not run on BLM range thy sells their beef on the same market. I believe there is a better way that IF&G can work with the landowners rather than landowner appreciation tag drawing. Maybe give them some control of there property.
 

JPickett

Member
So it sounds like you are looking for supplemental income. Tags to sell. Exactly what should not happen. And you Do have full control of your land. You want to let people on your land to hunt it your fully free to do so. Can even charge a trespass fee. You want to put up a fence, free to do so. What your not due is anything the rest of the population is in regards to the game in this state. I’m pretty sure we can all agree game for sale is a bad precedent
 

BrianID

Very Active Member
I'm strongly opposed to landowners being given tags that they can sell for $$$. It may seem like a reasonable idea at first but we have many examples of how it has been bad in other states.
 

IDbulls

Member
My biggest gripe with land owners...my daughter drew a coveted bull elk tag that opened Oct 1 near Leadore. There were hundreds of elk on the alfalfa fields. Not one land owner would let us on. Some signs said, “don’t even ask”
These same ranchers were the first in line crying for depredation relief later that same year when it was time to bring the cattle in from the derange and they no longer wanted the elk on their property. Screw them. They should get no relief when they lock out honest sportsmen and refuse “help” in September and October.
 

THEBUTE

Member
I am not looking to supplemental my income. I never in-played I wonted to sale tags. Landowner tags can not be sold. I only would like to have a better way to receive landowner tag than the existing process. Some landowners receive 2 and more tags others receive 0. Landowners put in to the drawing in July and receive conformation August 15. Landowners can not apply online, mail only. Landowners can not use a credit card, check only. Tag can not be purchased online after the drawing, license vendor only. Is this the way the rest of the population draws for tags?
I do not agree for sale is a bad precedent and the Idaho state Legislator must not agree with you or they would not pass a bill to let landowners guide on their own land.
 

JPickett

Member
My biggest gripe with land owners...my daughter drew a coveted bull elk tag that opened Oct 1 near Leadore. There were hundreds of elk on the alfalfa fields. Not one land owner would let us on. Some signs said, “don’t even ask”
These same ranchers were the first in line crying for depredation relief later that same year when it was time to bring the cattle in from the derange and they no longer wanted the elk on their property. Screw them. They should get no relief when they lock out honest sportsmen and refuse “help” in September and October.

yup "don't even ask" keep out" then cry a freakin river to F&G about how they need to kill all the elk on there fields.

F&G's first response to these complaints should be "access yes" then go from there if more is needed.
 

JPickett

Member
. Landowners can not apply online, mail only. Landowners can not use a credit card, check only. Tag can not be purchased online after the drawing, license vendor only. Is this the way the rest of the population draws for tags?
the rest of the population is not eligible for these tags. you however are eligible for both these and general draw tags. so there you go. you already have your preferential treatment you believe you deserve for buying land.

i own a home in Idaho, its on dirt. wheres my special treatment?
 

Cooper

Active Member
My biggest gripe with land owners...my daughter drew a coveted bull elk tag that opened Oct 1 near Leadore. There were hundreds of elk on the alfalfa fields. Not one land owner would let us on. Some signs said, “don’t even ask”
These same ranchers were the first in line crying for depredation relief later that same year when it was time to bring the cattle in from the derange and they no longer wanted the elk on their property. Screw them. They should get no relief when they lock out honest sportsmen and refuse “help” in September and October.
That’s bs, if you don’t want anyone hunting elk or deer on your place you shouldn’t be eligible for any compensation
 

Mbogo

Active Member
If someone believes Idaho landowner tags are not being sold they are incorrect. The current system just keeps the prices suppressed because they can't openly market them.
What percentage of the tags actually get sold? Who knows. But the trophy unit landowners have no problem finding buyers.
 

THEBUTE

Member
What is bad about $18,000.00 landowner elk tags in prime Nevada units? They could not sell Tags if no one purchased them. I am wondering if this website would exist if not for the money they make from Guides/Outfitters and hunt&tags. If this is not game for sale what is it.
 
What is bad about $18,000.00 landowner elk tags in prime Nevada units? They could not sell Tags if no one purchased them. I am wondering if this website would exist if not for the money they make from Guides/Outfitters and hunt&tags. If this is not game for sale what is it.
Pot, Kettle........Black.
The commercialization of our hunting resources will be the end of our HUNTING.
At LEAST the farmers give back to the animals.
 

JPickett

Member
Yeah I’d love to see all the examples of giving back. One good o e would be the 200 elk f&g shot for a land owner last winter. What a guy, really “ giving back”
 
You guys don't have a clue and just want what someone else has.
Run around with your hair on fire screaming wolf OR do the research.

I refuse to be your online instructor in 2020.
 

andrew12gauge

Active Member
You guys don't have a clue and just want what someone else has.
Run around with your hair on fire screaming wolf OR do the research.

I refuse to be your online instructor in 2020.
Or maybe most of us just believe in the North American model of wildlife conservation whereby the animals are owned by all people and held in trust by the state wildlife agencies, not owned by whoever happens to have the most acreage
 

JPickett

Member
You guys don't have a clue and just want what someone else has.
Run around with your hair on fire screaming wolf OR do the research.

I refuse to be your online instructor in 2020.
im good with what i got, its plenty. and i have no interest in hunting ranches. all my stuff is done in wilderness or primarily road less areas. shooing a bull from the hood of a truck on an alfalfa field wouldn't do it for me.

what i am against is preferential treatment based on something as frivolous as being able to buy dirt. especially when it is in regards to public commodities such as wildlife. you want the kings forest move to the UK
 

JPickett

Member
also i love the argument about depredation. please explain to me how getting 2 bull tags and a buck tag saves your years profit from herds on your property. give me a break. call it what it is "im a land owner and im owed!!"
 

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