What about the private property owners who run livestock on the public 4, 7, or 12 months out of the year? I’d say a few elk in there hayfield in the fall is a fair trade?so.....you don't think your deer and elk eating a private property owner's alfalfa should be compensated in some way???....
Does your neighbor feed your dog for free??
those fence out laws are for livestock only....if you don't want livestock in your yard.....fence them outIdaho is a fence out state, if they don't want game on their property they should build a fence .
Idaho is a fence out state, if they don't want game on their property they should build a fence .
try it some time....
Farmers shouldn’t have an option to receive any crop depredation money unless their ground is open for everyone to hunt.
most of the depradation on private happens long after seasons are closed and you are home in your warm house
A farmer allowing elk to get into stored round bails is far different than crop damage. There’s absolutely no reason why a farmer can’t properly secure his winter feed so that elk aren’t able to get into it.most of the depradation on private happens long after seasons are closed and you are home in your warm house while a rancher is trying to scrape up round bales flattened and two thirds eaten by elk and fed to a penned herd of cows..........hunting there during season would piss you off too for lack of game......
My biggest gripe with land owners...my daughter drew a coveted bull elk tag that opened Oct 1 near Leadore. There were hundreds of elk on the alfalfa fields. Not one land owner would let us on. Some signs said, “don’t even ask”
These same ranchers were the first in line crying for depredation relief later that same year when it was time to bring the cattle in from the derange and they no longer wanted the elk on their property. Screw them. They should get no relief when they lock out honest sportsmen and refuse “help” in September and October.
. Landowners can not apply online, mail only. Landowners can not use a credit card, check only. Tag can not be purchased online after the drawing, license vendor only. Is this the way the rest of the population draws for tags?
That’s bs, if you don’t want anyone hunting elk or deer on your place you shouldn’t be eligible for any compensationMy biggest gripe with land owners...my daughter drew a coveted bull elk tag that opened Oct 1 near Leadore. There were hundreds of elk on the alfalfa fields. Not one land owner would let us on. Some signs said, “don’t even ask”
These same ranchers were the first in line crying for depredation relief later that same year when it was time to bring the cattle in from the derange and they no longer wanted the elk on their property. Screw them. They should get no relief when they lock out honest sportsmen and refuse “help” in September and October.
Legislator must not agree with you or they would not pass a bill to let landowners guide on their own land.
I'm strongly opposed to landowners being given tags that they can sell for $$$. It may seem like a reasonable idea at first but we have many examples of how it has been bad in other states.
What is bad about $18,000.00 landowner elk tags in prime Nevada units? They could not sell Tags if no one purchased them. I am wondering if this website would exist if not for the money they make from Guides/Outfitters and hunt&tags. If this is not game for sale what is it.
Do they “Give back to the animals” or do they ask for crop depredation money from F&G which comes from funds provided through the sales of hunting licenses and tags.Pot, Kettle........Black.
The commercialization of our hunting resources will be the end of our HUNTING.
At LEAST the farmers give back to the animals.
You guys don't have a clue and just want what someone else has.
Run around with your hair on fire screaming wolf OR do the research.
I refuse to be your online instructor in 2020.
You guys don't have a clue and just want what someone else has.
Run around with your hair on fire screaming wolf OR do the research.
I refuse to be your online instructor in 2020.
You guys don't have a clue and just want what someone else has.
Run around with your hair on fire screaming wolf OR do the research.
I refuse to be your online instructor in 2020.
Most of Texas is actually low fence but it still has the "kings deer" mentality. There are several high fence "hunting" opportunities in SE Idaho. If you like the "kings deer" idea so much, you should put up a high fence.Ranchers do not own the animals and Texas is a high fence state.
You guys are funny.
If landowners got vouchers they could sell do you still think they should get depredation money?It just gets better with your guys opinions.
Farmers feed a ton of wildlife year round.
LAP tags are a perk for them to continue to do so.
Why??
Because they DO make a difference.
You guys don't know squat about ranching or the costs.
You just want someone's perks.
Shooting a bull on an alfalfa field?
Ever stop to consider the effect this has the fences?
Of course not.
Ever wonder who and what built those trails that you carry your backpack up?
Next you'll want to outlaw horses and mules.
Contributing nothing worthwhile?
Perhaps you should contribute to the animals somehow instead of surfing the internet looking for dead animal porn.
Or
At the very least support those folks that do.
One or the otherI
If landowners got vouchers they could sell do you still think they should get depredation money?
Hunting TagsOne or the other
It just gets better with your guys opinions.
Farmers feed a ton of wildlife year round.
LAP tags are a perk for them to continue to do so.
Why??
Because they DO make a difference.
You guys don't know squat about ranching or the costs.
You just want someone's perks.
Shooting a bull on an alfalfa field?
Ever stop to consider the effect this has the fences?
Of course not.
Ever wonder who and what built those trails that you carry your backpack up?
Next you'll want to outlaw horses and mules.
Contributing nothing worthwhile?
Perhaps you should contribute to the animals somehow instead of surfing the internet looking for dead animal porn.
Or
At the very least support those folks that do.
"may even spend a whole 2 weeks a year on my new "ranch" to prove what a great guy i am"
Na I bet you just stay in your subdivision.
Hard sell to tell someone the solution to there economic damage is strangers with guns! Fact that there are so many replys on this thread hightlight the truth that it's a little more complex of an issue than some of the ultimatums voiced.Who said anything about access yes? All I have stated is that if elk or deer are damaging your land, you won’t let anyone hunt you shouldn’t get tags to sale along with compensation from the state
Hard sell to tell someone the solution to there economic damage is strangers with guns!
Laughable. You truly live up to your Username. Farmers giving back--my ass. Even as a farmer, I can honestly say VERY FEW farmers do anything to give back to the wildlife unless they are seeing benefit in the way of hunting leases or selling tags. Otherwise, any other "giving back" cuts into one's bottom line. Are you really that clueless or just genuinely dishonest??Pot, Kettle........Black.
The commercialization of our hunting resources will be the end of our HUNTING.
At LEAST the farmers give back to the animals.
the Wilkes brothers is a very unfair example of Idaho land owners....
they're
Rancher no, farmer yes. So once again you have proven your "blindness." How many acres do you farm/ranch?? Clearly, the answer is none as you have no clue about farming operation and bottom line. True farmers who work hard for a living don't do anything to benefit wildlife that might cut into their profit margins. The margins these days are slim and if you're farming for a living, you can't afford to do things to give back to wildlife unless you are getting a benefit in some other way from it. You really think farmers are planting fields with the intention of feeding it to the elk/deer??Mallards it's obvious you are not a rancher.
How many pivots you running on your hobby farm?
California?
Hardy Har Har.
Good luck this year guys.
Some of us just got tags in the mail.
MAGA!!!!
If you would never sell the tags I’m having trouble understanding why you’d like the system changes at all from the current way landowners receive tags.Ah yes.........the conspiracy theory.
Sorry you feel the need.
Don't worry yourself.
I would never sell the tags.
PERIOD.
They are a perk.
Unfortunately most here share the same thoughts as the people who trespass and/or hunt the fence line year after year.
Wouldn't your time be better spent out scouting for this year's hunt?
Mallards I don't think................ I know.
That being said, I'm sure your personal experience far out weighs mine................Especially at talking.
My place only has 1500 acres of pivot irrigated alfalfa.
I won't mention the non irrigated acreage because I don't figure it's relevant here.
Pretty small farm by Idaho farm standards.
We work smart, keep our bottom line profitable, and hundreds of deer, elk, antelope graze on all the fields year around.
By my standards that IS giving back.
AND
While the animals do have a small impact on the bottom line we accept the impact without pursuing depredation money from the government because we enjoy supporting the wildlife.
Sorry I haven't answered you. Ive been out looking for some more property to buy so I can get another chance to draw a LAP tag. No not really am trying to build a wading pool for the wildlife. But really I don't think I have to defend every thing that other landowners do.lot harder to defend when you have to take the entire issue into consideration isn't it?
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