Signs of Freedom in Baghdad

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End to Baghdad's 'dark era': Nightclubs reopen
Bars in Abu Nawas Street are popular again ? even with U.S. troops
By Sudarsan Raghavan
The Washington Post
updated 4:08 a.m. CT, Sat., Feb. 28, 2009
BAGHDAD - The American soldier stepped out of the Baghdad nightclub. In one hand, he clutched his weapon. In the other, a green can of Tuborg beer. He took a sip and walked over to two comrades, dressed as he was in camouflage and combat gear.

Inside the club Thursday night, U.S. soldiers of the 82nd Airborne Division ogled young Iraqi women who appeared to be prostitutes gyrating to Arabic pop music. A singer crooned soulfully through scratchy speakers to the raucous, pulsating beat ? an action that Islamic extremists have deemed punishable by beheading.

Twenty minutes later, several drunk men coaxed an American soldier to dance. He awkwardly shuffled his feet, wearing night-vision equipment and a radio, joining the women and boisterous young men in an Arabic chain dance around tables covered with empty beer bottles.

For most of the past six years, U.S. troops and other Westerners in Baghdad have barricaded themselves behind blast walls and traveled the streets in armored cars, fearing attack or capture. Time spent in what Americans call the Red Zone ? all of the capital except for a protected part of central Baghdad ? invited and often brought calamity. U.S. troops do not leave their bases or outposts unless they are on duty.

The soldiers on Abu Nawas Street said they were visiting the club to talk to the manager about security, but they were socializing publicly with Iraqis in a way that was unimaginable even a few months ago. The scene reflected the increasing sense of security in the capital and many parts of Iraq, but it was impossible to know how many U.S. soldiers in Baghdad have the opportunity or the inclination to drink a beer while on patrol, apparently in violation of rules banning alcohol consumption in combat zones.

'They buy drinks and pay for them'
A U.S. military spokesman, responding to a query about the soldiers, was incredulous. "Just so I understand this clearly, you saw U.S. soldiers at a nightclub in downtown Baghdad outside of the Green Zone in uniform drinking and dancing?" asked Tech. Sgt. Chris Stagner.

Club manager Salah Hassan said Thursday's visit was not exceptional. "The Americans come here four or five times a week," he said. "They buy drinks and pay for them."

Others at the club said the soldiers had been there more than once. "I love the Americans," said Amal Saad, a petite young woman with blue contact lenses and thick red lipstick. "I like it when they come here. I feel so safe."

"Many times, I went with them in their Humvees," she added. "They took me to shops and bought me chocolates and gifts."


Hassan said he started his club with a $10,000 grant handed out by the U.S. military to launch small businesses, an integral part of U.S. counterinsurgency strategy to pacify Baghdad. "They come and dance," he said. "We know each other well. And they tell their friends, and they also come."

Under a Status of Forces Agreement the U.S. and Iraqi governments signed in November, an American soldier who commits a serious crime off base and off duty is subject to Iraqi laws, although the United States retains the final word in determining whether a soldier was off duty. Drinking and dancing may create a hard-to-dispute impression that a soldier was at leisure.

"Everyone is having a good time," said Spec. Eric Cartwright, 26, of Granada Hills, Calif., as he watched his comrade do the chain dance. "No one is scared about what's going to happen to them. This is a good sign."

Death threats to singers
In the 1970s, Abu Nawas Street was the nexus of Iraq's night life. Bars stayed open until the early morning. In 1994, Saddam Hussein, in an attempt to win the support of religiously conservative Iraqis, closed all the nightclubs.

After the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents targeted alcohol sellers. They issued death threats to singers and dancers, forcing many to flee the country.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, in an effort to portray himself as a secular nationalist, allowed the reopening of the nightspots three months ago, a move that has bolstered his popularity among many urban Iraqis. Still, most nightclubs have remained closed for much of the time since his order, a period that includes several Muslim holidays.

Threats from extremists remain, but the heavy security measures across the capital have brought confidence.

Nightclubs are starting to open up in other parts of Baghdad. Hotels are hosting dance parties for well-off Iraqis. Social clubs, where alcohol and gambling are part of the fare, are seeing more customers. Performers are returning from exile.


And Abu Nawas Street is arguably the safest street in the capital. It runs along the Tigris River, ending at one entrance to the Green Zone, where the U.S. Embassy and Iraqi government buildings are situated. Hassan's nightclub is on a stretch of street that is blocked off on either end by blast walls and checkpoints guarded by Iraqi private security contractors and police. Several American and European media organizations have fortresslike bureaus up the road, each with its own private force. American troops patrol on foot virtually every day.

"This area is well protected," Hassan said. "If I didn't have the security, I wouldn't be able to do business. Customers will be afraid to come. They will be kidnapped or killed."

The previous night, he said, gunmen entered a nightclub near Andalus Square in central Baghdad and kidnapped two customers.

A few minutes later, Hassan became nervous about discussing the visits by U.S. soldiers. He asked that the name of his nightclub not be mentioned, even though it was written on a signboard outside in English. "The Americans will come and shut me down," he said.

At a club next door, the patrons were too drunk to care about threats. Each had paid a $45 entrance fee ? a princely sum for many Iraqis ? to hear Adeeba, one of the nation's most famous singers. The dark-haired diva didn't disappoint.

She blew kisses to the all-male audience, and began:

Believe me, I did not get bored of you.

My soul is a pigeon in your house.

Believe me.

Handfuls of cash
A dancer wearing a tight red-and-black outfit gyrated across the floor, as the audience erupted in screams. Young men, some in fashionable jackets, wiggled their hips and waved pink tissues. One man went up to the balcony and threw handfuls of cash that floated down toward Adeeba and her five-man band.

Adeeba, who like most Iraqi singers uses only her first name, returned two months ago from Bahrain ? after fleeing Iraq three years ago. "There was no work and if anyone was caught singing, they would behead her," she said.

She was encouraged to return because of the improvements in security and also because "living outside my country killed me." She had also heard that the nightclubs had reopened.

"The dark era is over," she said with confidence.

Her audience agreed.

"Listening to her made me feel the security," said Muntader Khazal, 18, who sells clothes.

"We never expected that such a day will come in Iraq," gushed his friend Hussein Sheba, 17.

Meanwhile, at Hassan's nightclub, the American soldier danced, arm in arm, with his new Iraqi friends.

Special correspondent Zaid Sabah contributed to this report.

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UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
So now the Iraqis have booze, strippers and hookers. that's the first argument for the Iraq war I've heard that makes it seem somewhat worth while.
 
True story, Hooters is about as good as it gets there.

Utah is a beutiful state , lets do it without bombs if we can.
 
Good news.

Just don't tell that to all the people that have lost their jobs, houses, retirement etc. Also, don't tell them how much in lives and money it has cost this country.
 
I think this is utter bullshit. Hmmmmm MSNBC....there is an unbiased reporting agency.....catch the writers name? The left can't stand that Iraq has turned around....THEY WANTED it to fail....so now in thier normal treasonus way....Lets make the US soilder into a bunch of whoring drunks....General order #1 forbids alcohol and is big trouble if broken. Lets paint the patroling Soliders as hammering beers and playing grab ass with the hookers.....Just when i think these people have found bottom they dig deeper....
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-02-09 AT 07:49AM (MST)[p]Hey Adventurewriter if your going to be angry, be angry at the The Washington Post, MSNBC just reported their story. As well your a writer so one would imagine you have an arsenol of words to use other than expletives as descriptors.

Afterall you would not want readers to paint deer hunters as just a bunch of hot-headed potty mouths that can't spell words like their, treasonous, or soldier.

General Order No.1 on the forums is NO EXPLETIVES!

The writers name is Sudarsan Raghavan
 
Sorry, I took a few minutes to try and defend our finest that are willing to put their a**es on the line. They deserve a deep respect that puts me in awe of these young men and women. And the LEAST we can do is respect them and give the benefit of the doubt.

You sure were quick to attack me and my guess is it wasn?t a few mistyped words and a naughty word that offended you. It was my pointing out another lie from the left and another attack on the integrity of the country.

Your right MSNBC is the Flag bearer of truth and justice and that unbiased group of Patriots crystal pure words of truth should never doubted. How could I have been so wrong?..thanks FTW??you humble me?.I am not worthy.

"The writers name is Sudarsan Raghavan" think about it......my guess he ain?t a fourth generation Swede from Minnesota
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-02-09 AT 09:34AM (MST)[p]Adventurewriter you need to chill out just a little. I am certainly not disrespecting our soldiers either directly or indirectly. For the record I have not endorsed this article as factual.

If your nick is Adventurewriter than it should go without saying that you indeed do know how to write. As for apologies, apologize to Brian the site owner and your fellow forum members for letting your anger get the best of you.

True I am not offended by the use of expletives, however rules are rules either here on the forum or the armed services. You have broken the rules on the forum while attempting to defend allegations of soldiers breaking rules of military conduct.

I am simply pointing out the blantant hypocricy and irony of your thread. Also interesting is your endorsement of MSNBC, the fact is all media outlets are biased based on the readers interpretation and beliefs.

Apparently you seem to have some displaced anger and racial issues. Correct me if I am wrong, but are we to assume that anybody without a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant name should be deemed as uncredible?

Instead of misdirecting your anger why don't you research these allegations. Richard Armitage our former Secretary of State has written extensively on the subject since 2004.

The research is easy just type in "Iraq Prostitution". That is of course, if you really would like to educate yourself on the subject.

If you want to be angry over the article perhaps you should go after the person that actually posted it...Roy, not me.

Have a nice day :)
 
I need to chill...??? Whoa dude. My sole reason for even writing anything was to defend our soldiers....I have worked person to person with some of the same soliders. Seen their faces and heard their voices as they prepared to put their lives on the line. And at times some of those soldiers? patrols were their last duties on earth. You might find a story like this titillating (whoops that word has a crude nickname for a female breast in there...so sorry for the offense) I find this as another disgusting attack. Maybe I don't want to chill.

I can only assume by your spring-loaded attack of me and my post the content of something I wrote and not your childish insincere offense at a misspelled word and "oh gosh" (I am blushing as I write this) the use of the word a** was what got you in a little tizzy. While you could have tried to stay clever and on track attacking the structure of my post you couldn't help yourself than to show your cards in support of the stories merits I needed to ?research? so I can be as enlightened as you think you are. So really dump the self righteous banner waving and say what you mean. You like the story.



FTW?? you have a nice day its nighttime here.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-02-09 AT 12:19PM (MST)[p]AW - sorry if you see something in the story that makes you feel you have to defend the soldiers. I didn't post it to try and belittle them, but to laud their efforts in securing an Iraq that is becoming more and more free from tyranny and oppresion.

And despite the fact that Zigga and H-dude will always find some way to put a negative spin on news like this, to me it is an indicator that what we have been doing there is indeed worth it. Far too many people take their freedoms here in the US for granted and are not willing to sacrifice much to provide that same freedom for others. Sure they will defend what they have, but are they selfless enough to think that others don't deserve those same freedoms and that they are not worth fighting for?

And yes, it does detail that there are some soldiers who are breaking the rules, the article even admits so much, and I am not deluded nor naive enough to believe that every soldier over there follows every rule with 100% obedience and strictness, but what is more clear is that there now exists the opportunity for these same rules to be broken without the dire consequences for the Iraqi people that there would have been and had been for the past 35 or 40 years. And I am intelligent enough to read beyond the printed article - it doesn't just mean that there is now alcohol and prostitution, but an environment that favors freedom and liberty and choice instead of religious zeal and punishment for exercising those same God-given liberties.

Yes I do belive that ALL MEN do hold some UNALIENABLE RIGHTS and for every story of beer and hookers, there is a mother who is able to tell her children a bedtime story that could have gotten her beheaded just months ago, or a 14 yr old boy who can worry about school and girls instead of being forced into a jihad he doesn't fully understand, or a father who now doesn't have to worry whether a death squad is going to break into his house in the middle of the night and terrorize his family because he didn't go to the mosque that afternoon. Our soldiers did that and that is what this article communicates to me and that is why I like the story, not because it reveals that there may be some less than perfect soldiers over there. Sorry, but I don't see as much of the anti-US rhetoric in it as you do, though I do see your point and I usually don't trust MSN nor the Washington Post for unbiased reporting. But this was one they ran from the AP wires, not necesarily generated by any of their reporters.

Getting rid of Saddam and his chronies was a good thing. And yes it cost our country a lot, and that may cost me some personal sacrifice, but I am freely willing to pay it so others may enjoy the same blessings of liberty I do.

I did not go searching for this article, but the headline did catch my eye as I was on MSN.

I think the profanity that FTW was referring to was your euphemistic use of the term for cow dung, particularly that of the male of the species.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I'm so let down, I've never heard such a thing as our armed service members drinking, watching strippers or going to a cathouse. so much for my vision of choir boy warriors.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-02-09 AT 01:27PM (MST)[p]Apparently your lack of gramatic skills parallel your lack of comprehension. Your rant towards me is pedantic and misdirected at best. At this point I am not sure if you are an Adventurewriter or if writing is simply an adventure for you.

A**ses is a masked expletive and is deemed somewhat acceptable, however the use of the unmasked word bullsh@t is not. I noted your use of an expletive prior to your follow up thread with the word a**ses. Herein lies the proof that you lack even the most basic of comprehensive skills. Especially given the limited number of threads on this post.

If you wish to deny that you have directly and flagrantly violated the Forum Rules so be it. Makes one wonder what other things you enjoy living in denial of. Perhaps somebody will send out an alert and the moderators can explain the simple rules of the forum which you unsurprisingly do not comprehend.

Every reader of this post will note that I have never endorsed this article as valid or not. Nor will you ever find any post or thread of mine that denegrates our fine men and women in uniform.

Now if you would like to continue to burn up Brian's bandwidth playing misdirected tit for tat games with me, that's fine I have plenty of time. I could careless about the story itself, I only added my original thread as a light-hearted inside joke between Roy and I since he is from Utah.

If I were hellbent on bashing our soldiers one would think that I would have a track record of posting such articles.

Let me save you some time and integrity, I maybe one of a few here that you really don't want to go down this road with. Those who know me, know that I have been directly involved as a fundraiser for Veterans Hospitals since the inception of the war.

So please spare me the snivel drivel about our soldiers dying in the field. In some cases those soldiers are luckier than the ones I have worked with at the P.A. Miranda Head Trauma unit. For it is those soldiers that are now part of the living dead.

A normal and rational person that is offended by the article might take aim at the person that actually took the time to post it. In this case that would be Roy, not me...for the second time. I only pointed the irony of your post given your nick, and upon further review your lack of basic comprehensive skills that's all.

;) Have a nice whatever and thanks for sharing!
 

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