So what stops you from going?

billc

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So for guys on the fence what stops you from going to africa? I was unsure about going my first time but after that trip I was hooked. I have heard so many reason for guys not going and some are just so off base.
 

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It’s been a few reasons for me:

1) a lot of high fenced operations. When I finally found one that wasn’t when I called back his wife answered and revealed something I didn’t know. She told me her husband would have to call me back because they had just bought some XX animal and were unloading them. In two previous talks he never mentioned that. He was a referral from a friend who went with him and is constantly preaching fair chase

2) Desire to hunt those animals. It’s just not there. It’s increased lately but still not something I’ve dreamed about. I’ve even read a lot of the popular books about hunting Africa. Didn’t do it for me, great books though.

3) Finding someone to go with. All my friends are kinda like me, we like our beer cold and the sound of elk bugling in the fall. We don’t give two Bidens about anything outside the good old USA.

I know cost would be on a lot of peoples list but I’ve found in my limited research Africa to be affordable compared to Yukon or AK hunts. Heck we have drop off DIY moose hunts going for 12,500 these days. 😐
 

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☝️Plenty of great stuff to hunt in the US. Would like to hunt Alaska before I call it quits. Always wanted to do a DIY float hunt for moose. Have all the rafts and gear, but my friend and I could never make it work the last 10 years or so. Maybe after retirement.
 

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It’s been a few reasons for me:

1) a lot of high fenced operations. When I finally found one that wasn’t when I called back his wife answered and revealed something I didn’t know. She told me her husband would have to call me back because they had just bought some XX animal and were unloading them. In two previous talks he never mentioned that. He was a referral from a friend who went with him and is constantly preaching fair chase

2) Desire to hunt those animals. It’s just not there. It’s increased lately but still not something I’ve dreamed about. I’ve even read a lot of the popular books about hunting Africa. Didn’t do it for me, great books though.

3) Finding someone to go with. All my friends are kinda like me, we like our beer cold and the sound of elk bugling in the fall. We don’t give two Bidens about anything outside the good old USA.

I know cost would be on a lot of peoples list but I’ve found in my limited research Africa to be affordable compared to Yukon or AK hunts. Heck we have drop off DIY moose hunts going for 12,500 these days. 😐
I hear you loud and clear but there is places to go that are fenced and not stocked or places in some countries that are just not fenced.

2 is a personal thing as well as 3 but I have met some great new friends taking them on there first african trip.

and yes cost is all based on what you want to hunt but africa can be a great deal overall.

Hope one day you make it over there as all hunters should go once I think
 

billc

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☝️Plenty of great stuff to hunt in the US. Would like to hunt Alaska before I call it quits. Always wanted to do a DIY float hunt for moose. Have all the rafts and gear, but my friend and I could never make it work the last 10 years or so. Maybe after retirement.
yup I agree plenty of stuff right here to hunt. We all know it is getting harder to draw tags though and cost of some places in the states have just gotten stupid.

Hope you ge to do that moose hunt one day
 

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I have done 3 safaris, in SA and Namibia. None were behind a fence. I checked that ahead of time.

The experience is incredible, and I look forward to going back one day soon. I really want to hunt “Wild” Africa. Zambia, Tanzania, some parts of Zim. Next time I go, I’ll be following Buffalo tracks. Real Buffalo… not the S. African Buffalo where they price them by the inch of horn.
 

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Everyone who loves hunting should go to Africa. If I could go every year I’d be almost willing to give up hunting in the US. Awesome place!

The high fence thing is really an overblown concern. Some of the ranches in South Africa are 90k acres or more. You can drive for miles/hours and not see the perimeter fence. That said, I personally would avoid the small fenced places.
 

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It’s very easy to find great hunting in wide open spaces with no fences. Most of Zimbabwe is wide open. I’ve never seen a fence on my Zim hunts. Same with Zambia, it’s mostly wide open spaces. No fences in Mozambique either and all those countries have wonderful options for a first African safari.

As much as I love North American hunting, and I’ve been fortunate to do a lot of it, there is nothing I’d rather do than hunt in Africa. For those who haven’t been, you owe it to yourself to experience it at least once.

I’d happily help anyone who is interested but needs some advice or help setting up their first hunt.
 

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There is plenty of unfenced africa but there is plenty of fenced area that is good hunting also. My rule is as long as it is 5000 acres or bigger I am ok with hunting there.

I myself have just made it I will never hunt a sable or buff in SA behind fence. I have yet to be on a fenced area were I thought they would be much of a hunt.
 

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I get kinda pissed every year when the draws are all wrapped up. Been playing the draw a tag game a long, long time now. Drew some good ones, some not so good ones and hunt different forms of OTC everyyear. One thing I really like about Africa is if you want to hunt it, you can. No 30 plus years to draw the damn tag. Also, the few professionals I've hunted with over there have a passion for hunting that's hard to describe, over the top!
 

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I want to go to Africa to shoot a kudu warthog and zebra. Who do you guys recommend and what time of year

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I want to go to Africa to shoot a kudu warthog and zebra. Who do you guys recommend and what time of year?
Go to Namibia. It’s the perfect first, or 10th Safari destination. The requirements to become a PH in Namibia, and Zimbabwe are the most stringent in existence. You literally cannot go wrong by going with any well established outfit in Namibia.
Kudu
Gemsbok
Springbok
Warthog
Mountain Zebra
Burchell Zebra in a few areas.

Lots and lots of unfenced areas to hunt.
 

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This was the very first day on my first safari. Some days are days you will never forget. Central Namibia.

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billc

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I want to go to Africa to shoot a kudu warthog and zebra. Who do you guys recommend and what time of year

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I would say namibia for sure. I hunt with Pieter delport and that is were I take guys or send them there. He has both zebra but the burchel will be behind fence as the mtn zebra is native. Mtn zebra does take some extra paperwork to get back to the states.. I would tell you to add a red hartebeest and oryx for a really fun hunt. He has some cull add on that are cheap to. You want to chat more you can Pm me or ask any question you may have right here.

My trip this year I passed on alot of kudu that just needed another year or 2 for what I was after. Been over so many times I am looking for 56 or bigger now only. I took this one my first trip with him

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SS!, Namibia is an excellent destination.

However, if you’d also like to be around dangerous game (it does add another dimension, even if not hunting them) consider both Zimbabwe and Mozambique. There are excellent options for the animals you mentioned but you’ll also see elephants, buffalo, lions and if you’re fortunate perhaps leopard and rhino. On a 2018 hunt in the Kafue region of Zambia, I was only hunting a few antelope but no dangerous game; yet we had an unseen elephant trumpet loudly in the dark at 4:30 in the morning as we drove past it on our way to look for a Sitatunga. On the same hunt, we were walking back to the truck at almost dark when five lions stood up from the grass at about 40 yards. You only get those experiences if you hunt where DG is present.

I helped a friend on his first safari, from which he returned home 2 weeks ago. He and his grandson shot a bag that included kudu, warthog and zebra. But he talks the most about seeing Dangerous Game while hunting plains game.
 

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i couldn’t imagine going to Africa and there isn’t dangerous game nearby!

I’ll send some PMs soon, gotta get that Sunday work done!
 

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well there is dangerous game in namibia just not on all parts of it. leopard are area but lions elephant and buff are up north cost a little more to hunt the real wild namibia but there is areas there.here is some pictures of a 10 day hunt pieter did last month in caprvi area he hunts. was father and 2 sons they did very well

Nice thing about namibia it is easier to get trophy's home then some other places.

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The price.
The only thing I would be interested in hunting over there
I cant afford.
Buffalo, Croc, Leopard, Lion, etc...
I hear you big 5 or 7 cost alot. I enjoy plains game just as much and it has been better then waiting to see if I draw a tag out west.
 

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I'm on the fence about it. More of a hunt for food type, and not to just the kill.
The trophy would be amazing, I can't justify the killing and just leaving the meat behind for other's
Maybe you are able to get it all home and that's the education id need to make the trip.
 

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i couldn’t imagine going to Africa and there isn’t dangerous game nearby!

I’ll send some PMs soon, gotta get that Sunday work done!
There are some areas in Zimbabwe that you might look at, if you want to have good Plains game numbers, and hunt amongst buffalo, Leopards, etc.
Specifically some conservancy areas that would be amazing to hunt.
 

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I'm on the fence about it. More of a hunt for food type, and not to just the kill.
The trophy would be amazing, I can't justify the killing and just leaving the meat behind for other's
Maybe you are able to get it all home and that's the education id need to make the trip.
no way to bring mat home. It does suck because they do all taste good. We have been eating more each trip when over but you are mainly hunting to hunt
 

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Cost has always been the preventative factor for me. I hear about how great of a deal Africa can be, but I don't know anyone that has gone over recently that when the entire trip was all said and done, (flights, hunts, tips, taxidermy work, etc.) they did it for less than $15-20K. I realize that one moose costs that in Alaska, so killing 6-10 animals for that same cost is very much a "good deal." But $20K is still $20k. I wish I had that to spend on a big hunt every few years, but I do not.

I have been putting money aside for a trip to Zimbabwe and Zambia for personal reasons. My trip is connected to other things that will dictate when it happens, so I'm hoping there are hunts available for me to book while there. The hunts don't necessarily have to be in Zimbabwe and/or Zambia. I'd be open to anywhere in the vicinity that meets the need. I really want to kill a gemsbok and my brother will have a kudu as his top animal. Other plains game added in, of course. I want to bring the gemsbok back for a full shoulder mount, I'm thinking euro mounts for anything else. I'm greatly looking forward to it, and hope it all works out the way I envision it in my brain.
 

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Cost has always been the preventative factor for me. I hear about how great of a deal Africa can be, but I don't know anyone that has gone over recently that when the entire trip was all said and done, (flights, hunts, tips, taxidermy work, etc.) they did it for less than $15-20K. I realize that one moose costs that in Alaska, so killing 6-10 animals for that same cost is very much a "good deal." But $20K is still $20k. I wish I had that to spend on a big hunt every few years, but I do not.

I have been putting money aside for a trip to Zimbabwe and Zambia for personal reasons. My trip is connected to other things that will dictate when it happens, so I'm hoping there are hunts available for me to book while there. The hunts don't necessarily have to be in Zimbabwe and/or Zambia. I'd be open to anywhere in the vicinity that meets the need. I really want to kill a gemsbok and my brother will have a kudu as his top animal. Other plains game added in, of course. I want to bring the gemsbok back for a full shoulder mount, I'm thinking euro mounts for anything else. I'm greatly looking forward to it, and hope it all works out the way I envision it in my brain.
Vanilla, you have 3 options for a Gemsbok. Namibia, Botswana and South Africa. Gemsbok do not occur in Zambia or Zimbabwe.
 

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I won't lie, the quality of the cape may be more of a determining factor for me on what I were to shoot than the length of the horns. Is that sacrilegious?

The contrast of the black, white, and grey on those things is just mesmerizing to me! There is no cooler animal on the planet, in my opinion.
 

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Growing up I spent a lot of time reading about hunting in Africa, but mostly the early works like TR, and those around 1900 and even Capstick into the 60's and 70's. I have to admit there is a certain attraction, not necessarily the killing of the animals (I can't even pronounce a lot of their names), but just the adventure and dangers encountered. Being around the true native people and seeing how they live would be eye opening and extremely interesting. I wonder what they would think of me. Does that Africa still exist? I have no desire to bring the trophies home to hang on the wall, just photos and the memories would be fine. Any of the big 5 would be thrilling, no doubt, and something I would never forget.
 

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I won't lie, the quality of the cape may be more of a determining factor for me on what I were to shoot than the length of the horns. Is that sacrilegious?

The contrast of the black, white, and grey on those things is just mesmerizing to me! There is no cooler animal on the planet, in my opinion.
NOPE I have taken more then one animal in africa just because of the cape they had. some times the look of a cape makes it a trophy to
 

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Growing up I spent a lot of time reading about hunting in Africa, but mostly the early works like TR, and those around 1900 and even Capstick into the 60's and 70's. I have to admit there is a certain attraction, not necessarily the killing of the animals (I can't even pronounce a lot of their names), but just the adventure and dangers encountered. Being around the true native people and seeing how they live would be eye opening and extremely interesting. I wonder what they would think of me. Does that Africa still exist? I have no desire to bring the trophies home to hang on the wall, just photos and the memories would be fine. Any of the big 5 would be thrilling, no doubt, and something I would never forget.
it does but it cost more on avg then just a regular plains game hunt which is so fun
 

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I just returned from SA Sunday. I had a great trip. The crazy thing is I never wanted to go to Africa. I never even considered it. That is until I met these guys at the expo. @bushmensafaris They are archery only! I enjoy shooting a bow, I consider my self an archery guy nowdays but I’m fairly new to it and need at bats. I’ve taken some elk, mule deer, whitetail and bear with my bow but I it’s like 2 animals a year. I shoot all year and only get to release a few arrows at game. Bushmen safaris is a target rich environment. They have blinds over water and only hunt the new moon. I shot a Cape Buffalo with a crossbow and 5 other animals with my Mathews, It was a kick! BMS is a class act, I was a great experience! But what sucks is the travel 👎 I’m just now getting my routine back.
 
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I‘ve got it all documented on my IG account if anyone wants to see. Several arrow impact clips also. Start at August 18th. @claude1050
 
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The only thing that was stopping me was doing it alone. Finally found a friend to go with me and booked for Apr of 23'.

I would have loved to go with you Bill, June- Aug are hard month for me to leave work.

Next stop will be Namibia with Petr for monster Kudu, zebra, Gemsbok and Red.
 

billc

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The only thing that was stopping me was doing it alone. Finally found a friend to go with me and booked for Apr of 23'.

I would have loved to go with you Bill, June- Aug are hard month for me to leave work.

Next stop will be Namibia with Petr for monster Kudu, zebra, Gemsbok and Red.
Glad you're finally making it over that is all that counts. Maybe we will get over to Pieter at the same time to hunt always great doing hunts with new friends. Plus the kudu hunting is only getting better in namibia with the drought over now for 2 years and the kudu rabies 5 years behind them now. I saw so many good bulls this year that will be great bulls by 2024
 

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Glad you're finally making it over that is all that counts. Maybe we will get over to Pieter at the same time to hunt always great doing hunts with new friends. Plus the kudu hunting is only getting better in namibia with the drought over now for 2 years and the kudu rabies 5 years behind them now. I saw so many good bulls this year that will be great bulls by 2024
I really really want to do some archery hunts with Petr.
 

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I've happily gone four times and finally got my cape buffalo. Now it's about $$$ for me. Just retired and have some north American hunting goals to try to achieve. Trust me, if I had the $$$ I would hunt cape buffalo every year. I used to hate Tony Makris for bragging about how he's killed something like 50+ buffalo, but it's only wishing I could too.
 

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I've happily gone four times and finally got my cape buffalo. Now it's about $$$ for me. Just retired and have some north American hunting goals to try to achieve. Trust me, if I had the $$$ I would hunt cape buffalo every year. I used to hate Tony Makris for bragging about how he's killed something like 50+ buffalo, but it's only wishing I could too.
50 buffalo is a heck of a number. Most sport hunters will never shoot 10 buffalo, let alone 50. But…. I know a very avid hunter who’s shot over 350 buffalo! He’s more than a bit obsessed with hunting Cape Buffalo. He shot 11 on his Tanzania safari last year.
 

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I’ve been to South Africa 3 times. It was fun, for the most part. I’ve shot about every plains game in South Africa including 2 kudu and a croc.
I absolutely hated dealing with dip and pack. It’s a big rip off and there are people with their hand out through the whole process.
Of course Africa is fun but it is hardly hunting compared to North America. To each their own and I have nothing against anyone who wants to hunt it. For me, I’d take a elk or mule deer hunt over any African plains game.
Now, if you want to give me a bongo or lord derby eland hunt, I’m glad to oblige!
 

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I’ve been to South Africa 3 times. It was fun, for the most part. I’ve shot about every plains game in South Africa including 2 kudu and a croc.
I absolutely hated dealing with dip and pack. It’s a big rip off and there are people with their hand out through the whole process.
Of course Africa is fun but it is hardly hunting compared to North America. To each their own and I have nothing against anyone who wants to hunt it. For me, I’d take a elk or mule deer hunt over any African plains game.
Now, if you want to give me a bongo or lord derby eland hunt, I’m glad to oblige!
I here you about hunting SA it is what it is. there is plenty more of africa that is harder hunting without having to wait to see if you draw a tag. The number of animals is just so much more there the hunting does seem alot easier but if you get picky enough it can be a more challenging hunt
 

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I do not disagree, when I suggested this forum to Brian several years back, I was all in on Africa. I still might have another trip in me but if I do it will likely be a mountain hunt in Namibia for mountain zebra and kudu. I’ll donate my animals and be happy with pics. I have enough taxidermy.
My dream hunt over there would be a “tracking” hunt for lord derby eland but I might have a tough time convincing myself to fork out $30k.
I certainly do not want to give the impression I’m anti Africa, all should experience it once and I have some life long friends there. South Africans are some of the finest people one could ever meet.
I will say this (a bit of a hijack on the post), do not go for a “starter” hunt and end up with an impala, blesbok, and spring buck. Spend a little extra and get a gemsbuck, zebra, and especially a kudu!
 

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I do not disagree, when I suggested this forum to Brian several years back, I was all in on Africa. I still might have another trip in me but if I do it will likely be a mountain hunt in Namibia for mountain zebra and kudu. I’ll donate my animals and be happy with pics. I have enough taxidermy.
My dream hunt over there would be a “tracking” hunt for lord derby eland but I might have a tough time convincing myself to fork out $30k.
I certainly do not want to give the impression I’m anti Africa, all should experience it once and I have some life long friends there. South Africans are some of the finest people one could ever meet.
I will say this (a bit of a hijack on the post), do not go for a “starter” hunt and end up with an impala, blesbok, and spring buck. Spend a little extra and get a gemsbuck, zebra, and especially a kudu!
Woodruff, there is so much more to Africa than South Africa. Hunting in just about every other country can be much more challenging. Namibia in the mountains as you describe can be challenging for sure; but there is so much to experience across Africa.
 

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perhaps it is about what you make of it when hunting, and not the area... I sell safaris not buffalo or hippos or elephants or any kind of animals...if it is in SA, Namibia or Mozambique, I sell safaris!

yes open area is always great BUT not all clientele wants this...some wants the bush, electricity, near tows / cities, hospitals ect. but they still had a great safari...

yes, we do have 'bad apples' but so does all business all across the world. There are still large open areas in SA like Klaserie, Timbavati, Maseke, Umbabat, Balule, The Kalahari, The Karoo...to name a few - ALL over 80-90 000+acres.

we are mostly 'lone hunters' and hunt alone but keep in mind when children wants to hunt or your lovely wife accommodates you as a hunter to Africa, they want security or luxuries and activities that can be done as a family...SA will most probably be that destination...SA and Namibia is the much cheaper option on PG, Big 5 SA.., SA has 42 species huntable species and Namibia 12. The rest of Africa few...poaching is the main course. Just makes you think again of SA as a hunting destination! :unsure:
 
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I understand the differences and to each their own. I was addressing my reason for not going and nothing more. I did enjoy my time in Africa but enjoy hunting here in the US more (again, my reason, nothing more, nothing less).
Of course their are great concessions in RSA and bad ones (like every other destination).
If one wants to go and take a family (I did on my second trip) RSA could be a good option.
There are a lot of other reasons that I would not go back but again, that's just me.
 

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