Stimulus

[CAforkedhorn]

So... let's talk about the stimulus package and what it will do to help you. I own 3 businesses myself and I won't be getting a check but that's okay because I don't want one. My restaurant employs 6 people and 4 of them have been temporarily laid off while we keep the drive thru open to feed people. The 4 that were laid off were only part time anyway but were also given two weeks paid and the stimulus money will get them through.

My electrical contracting business employs 12 people full time and absolutely nobody has been laid off because unfortunately construction is apparently essential. I would love to have been shut down for a solid month but that isn't going to happen. My employees would hurt a little but honestly it's hard for me to feel sorry for people that refuse to save money.

This entire saga has shown just how fragile we are as a society. Well, I'm not fragile but we've been shown just how many are. Like, really we couldn't survive as a country if we didn't spend 6 trillion dollars? Are you and your wife really $2,400.00 away from losing everything or are you too proud to tighten the belt and maybe eat Top Ramen for a minute until things get back to normal?

Maybe you just started a business and have a lease on a building and now you're business is shut down or doing half the sales like my restaurant. What I did was make sure that I had enough startup money in the bank to cover at least a month of no income before I even opened up. I could literally not even open the doors for 3 months and still be fine. Why? Because I planned ahead and didn't start a business with no emergency money but apparently people need the taxpayers to give them money to stay in business during tough times. Why do we have this mentality that there always has to be a safety net? If you started a business and literally can't close it for a month because if you do it will fail, you have already failed.

It simply amazes me that I cannot find a roll of toilet paper on a shelf at a store anywhere but my tax dollars have to go to help people pay their rent. This stimulus bill is nothing more that politicians pandering during an election year. Trump is going to tell you that he saved your life because without the money you would have starved. Your congress critters will do the same all jockeying to get re-elected but the funny thing is that I don't remember anyone asking me if I needed any money.

 

[roadrunner]

Hey - if Trump telling everyone he saved their lives and gets re-elected instead of some deranged democrat, all power to it.

It's really none of your busines whether or not your employees save money or not. All you owe them is an honest day's pay for an honest day's work and they likewise...

 

[Bluehair]

Nobody cares about you 1%ers. Congrats.

That was snarkcasm.

 

[CAforkedhorn]

Roadrunner, I'm not trying to make it my business whether my employees save money or not. It is my business where my tax dollars go however and I don't remember anyone asking me if I want my tax dollars to go to people so they can buy an XBox. Not sure if you've been in the stores lately but people already panic bought all the necessary **** for survival including food so what do they need the money for again.

I can agree that Trump is better than any Democrat but I'm not going to boot lick the fact that he's going to tell you that he saved your life. Hopefully you're not that fragile.

 

[Stillwater165]

Yep , I don’t complain on here about much nor will I but I’m sick and tired of all the “bragging/bitching” about everybodies different situation. That’s the key , everybodies situation is different. Nobody is a failure in this in any way , we were all taken by surprise. Not everyone is sitting on a goldmine , think of the people that just borrowed money for new business ventures ? How do you think they feel right now ? Stick your neck out to try and make a better living for your family only to get the door shut ! Failures ???? I don’t think so !!!!!!!

 

[Stonefly]

Why did you bring up TP, did someone doing a little planning for the future, leave you with the papertowel option.

 

[CAforkedhorn]

Ok, so first off, I'm not trying to brag about my situation but my point is that this shows just how fragile we are as a society. People that already plan for bad times will be fine but people who can't save a damned dime are going to hurt a little. Your shallow thought process has you thinking that people don't borrow money all the time for business ventures that fail. Should we bail them out too? So if you're not sitting on a gold mine you're going to either lose everything or die if you can't work for a month? People stick their necks out all of the time to make a better living and guess what.... they fail! From now on I'll point them in your direction for a hand out.

Sure nobody saw this coming but it's not the end of the world like the media would have you believe. I know lots of people who are off work that just got income tax returns too and so instead of buying an Xbox, they might have to buy food with their tax refund... so what?

As far as the TP, literally nobody was planning for the future by buying up all the TP. People are sheep and don't give two shyts about other people so they hoard stuff that they don't need because they think the end of the world is near. It's a perfect example of why people don't need bailout money. If you were truly in a survival situation and had very limited money to survive, you probably wouldn't buy too much toilet paper.

 

[Wyosam]

It’s not surprising that individuals go straight into struggle mode at the slightest bump in the road (and this is clearly more than an economic bump). The number gets thrown around a lot, but I don’t remember it off the top of my head- Something like 60% of the country can’t come up with $500 for an emergency or something? Those people are clearly going to need some help, though it would be nice if a decent percentage of the country could learn to be financially responsible. What really ticks me off though is all the billion dollar companies with CEOs making 7 or 8 figures that have zero capability to ride out a rough spot without a heaping dose of socialism. How many of the companies now requiring a bailout (or are about to) just got a huge tax break to spend mostly on stock buybacks, and had their last big hit of socialism just 10 or 12 years ago? When the numbers get that big, is it not reasonable to have a plan for a big economic downturn, since they happen pretty regularly? That huge but ready to fail at a moments notice company is the symbol of success in this country- it is no wonder people have every last toy and gadget, but are completely screwed financially 3 weeks into this thing. How do people sleep on the edge of a financial cliff all their lives?

 

[Homer]

Amen wyosam.......it is scary with so many on the edge all the time.

It is not my or your fault...but we get to bail them out.

 

[Stonefly]

Lol dont take it so personal, it was ment as a joke. Littlebuck and myself only go shopping about once a month, so we are kinda bulk shoppers anyway. We do have a bit of storage and id say were flush for the time being. But im not gonna worry about it i dont have the time, ill be putting in plants by end of month. Already have starts comming up in the garage. Still have fruits and vegies from last year on the shelf. Some folks prepair for future different than others. I dont think iv ever had enough money to give it away. But i sure as heII have give food to my neighbors plenty of times.

 

[Bluehair]

Did that much of TARP really go to stock buybacks?

This is different than TARP because the economic damage is being caused by your government, at whatever level you choose.

I got my baby tomatoes started too. Now if we could get some sun.

 

[Wyosam]

No, TARP went to save a bunch of financial business that were failing because they made a really long line of bad decisions to make a pile of money off myopic Americans making similarly stupid financial decisions. The stock buybacks were primarily following the big corporate tax breaks of 2017, although it has been happening since they started making money again after the last bailout.

 

[Bluehair]

I keep seeing this story that bailout funds were used for stock buybacks. I don't remember that (and I payed attention) so I'm getting the talking point vibe.

For the record, I say no stock buybacks, no stock options, no bailout for foreign flagged vessels. You will have to wait for the trickle down like all the rest of us who couldn't get insider info.

 

[CAforkedhorn]

Stonefly, lol I didn't mean to sound like I was gnashing teeth back at you. I figured you were joking. I'm kind of the same way with shopping, only going about once a month or twice at the most. The wife and I went to Hawaii on the 14th so we didn't go shopping before we left since we would be gone. This was at the beginning of the hype and when I got home on the 24th, the stores were empty so lol I'm having some trouble finding TP. I ordered some online that'll be here in about 5 days but I only got 3 rolls left til then lol. Gonna have to stop drinking coffee for a couple of days!!

 

[roadrunner]

My employees would hurt a little but honestly it's hard for me to feel sorry for people that refuse to save money.

Guess this statement made me think it bothered you whether or not people saved money.

Some people live paycheck to paycheck while being frugal even.

 

[hossblur]

I'm sure your employees all love hearing how they would be fine after you laid them off, or that it's too bad you are essential.

Spend over 2 decades working for a self taught buisness owner. Who dies from a massive heart attack after the last recession.

He had several thoughts on owning a buisness. But one was, you are just the guy who signs the check, you don't own the check.

I spent 7 years of my time with him trying to make in vitro babies. For which you paid cash, up front, with low success rates. Would have been easy to sit on your perch looking at me running 7 days a week, thinking I was blowing $$$ on stupid crap. The wife and I told no one what we were doing. And we blew through at $70k.

Point is. STFU. If they did the job, sign the check. You ain't their mommy.

As to the rest of your blow hard post, you laying off employees pretty much shows you didn't have cash survive it. And a depression will wipe you out same as me.

I just want to work. Most folks do. $1000 fines and 6 months jail sentences stopped that. Utah was at full employment 2 weeks ago. We didn't all just get lazy. The government stopped us.

 

[roadrunner]

He had several thoughts on owning a business. But one was, you are just the guy who signs the check, you don't own the check.

...laying off employees pretty much shows you didn't have cash survive it. And a depression will wipe you out same as me.

I just want to work. Most folks do. $1000 fines and 6 months jail sentences stopped that. Utah was at full employment 2 weeks ago. We didn't all just get lazy. The government stopped us.

Agreed. Actually, employees only rent their human capital (knowledge, experience, productive skills) to their employer for an amount they both settle on. The employer does not own what that person who employs the use of their productive skills for compensation. In reality, the employer is the one who is indebted to those he rents the ability from others to make a paycheck themselves.

Agreed that the gov't put the emergency panic breaks on everyone when there was ample time to put a plan into place...

 

[mossback50cal]

I'm sure your employees all love hearing how they would be fine after you laid them off, or that it's too bad you are essential.

Spend over 2 decades working for a self taught buisness owner. Who dies from a massive heart attack after the last recession.

He had several thoughts on owning a buisness. But one was, you are just the guy who signs the check, you don't own the check.

I spent 7 years of my time with him trying to make in vitro babies. For which you paid cash, up front, with low success rates. Would have been easy to sit on your perch looking at me running 7 days a week, thinking I was blowing $$$ on stupid crap. The wife and I told no one what we were doing. And we blew through at $70k.

Point is. STFU. If they did the job, sign the check. You ain't their mommy.

As to the rest of your blow hard post, you laying off employees pretty much shows you didn't have cash survive it. And a depression will wipe you out same as me.

I just want to work. Most folks do. $1000 fines and 6 months jail sentences stopped that. Utah was at full employment 2 weeks ago. We didn't all just get lazy. The government stopped us.

Exactly. Hit the nail on the head. You laying off people, calling yourself Mr. Handke it, putting people on unemployment, while bashing them for not saving enough money. All the while, you probably pay minimum wage, or close to it. Not saying those jobs dont deserve minimum wage pay, but minimum wage jobs are for people to barely scrape by, while in school or such. So tell me, how are they supposed to save money? I am lucky I guess, considered essential, and have been blessed with the ability to have enough to survive on for a month and a half or so. But, not everyone can be like that. This is not laziness, it is a government shut down.

 

[wetmule]

Americans Excitedly Anticipate Getting Paid With Their Own Money

U.S.—Americans have reported they're very optimistic about the stimulus package passed by Congress last week. In particular, people all around the country are excited to get paid with a little bit of the money that they paid the federal government already.

babylonbee.com

 

[buckhorn]

Dealing with this precautionary shut down and staying home for a few weeks is better than carrying on as usual and potentially spreading this virus to a point where it is totally out of control.
To you guys think the government is screwing you over with the shut down.
What if someone in your family like your mom,dad,spouse or one of your kids got this virus and died. I’m sure you would then be singing a different tune.
We are all in this together. Let’s stop complaining and finger pointing.
We all need to work together to stop this thing and life will soon get back to normal.

 

[CAforkedhorn]

LOL, you guys are incredible. Reading comprehension apparently escapes you and you make it sound like I'm an ******* who doesn't care about my employees. If you re-read what I wrote, I laid off 4 PART TIME employees but I paid them for 2 weeks of their layoff. I certainly didn't have to do that but it didn't hurt me to do it.

The comment that I would have gone out of business if I didn't lay them off is just stupid at best. I absolutely didn't have to lay them off but I'm not stupid either. You see it all the time with big companies too when times are tougher, even though they could retain employees, they would be stupid to pay people to do nothing for an extended period of time. You people act like I threw them out the door with nothing.

Suppose I take an 18 year old kid who hardly knows how to brush his teeth and I invest years into him to teach him to be an electrician. You're saying that I am indebted to that kid because I rent his human capital? You might have a point when that kid has enough capital to be a profitable employee but that doesn't happen over night. By that standard, that employee should be indebted to me until he reaches that point but that isn't the case. In fact, a lot of the time, time and money is invested in teaching a person to be an electrician only to have him leave because the shop down the road wants to pay him $2/hr more. Countless times it has happened to me that that guy left for a little higher pay only to be laid off as soon as the job was done and then has the nerve to want me to bring him back on.

I couldn't care less though if you guys think I'm a heartless prick. Clearly I'm not and if me not feeling too sorry for people that don't save money makes me an ******* then so be it. Everyone can save money. Obviously some more than others but it never ceases to amaze me when I see people buying food with food stamps while paying cash for their beer and cigarettes. Life is about choices, save the $30 you just spent on beer and cigarettes because you never know when you might need it for a rainy day.

Oh well, life goes on. I'm a dick because I don't feel sorry for people who blow their money on BS. Funny how not one of those employees that I laid off have called me to ask if there's any hours available yet. It seems the 2 weeks I paid them for plus their stimulus money combined with their unemployment coupled with their tax return probably will get them through this dilemma. The whole point of this thread is to point out how fragile our country is and it seems most of you like it that way.

 

[roadrunner]

Dealing with this precautionary shut down and staying home for a few weeks is better than carrying on as usual and potentially spreading this virus to a point where it is totally out of control.
To you guys think the government is screwing you over with the shut down.
What if someone in your family like your mom,dad,spouse or one of your kids got this virus and died. I’m sure you would then be singing a different tune.
We are all in this together. Let’s stop complaining and finger pointing.
We all need to work together to stop this thing and life will soon get back to normal.

It's more than just staying home. The wake this is causing could have long lasting implications. I live in one of the highest DUI/DWI counties in the nation. Any one of my household is more likely to get killed from an auto collision than dying from this virus.

The main message is not that gov't is screwing any one over, it's that gov't literally dropped the ball when there was time in a less emotional panic-laden atmosphere to have plan A with its contingency and plan B with its contingency and on and on. The media hadn't helped.

Take the schools shutting down in my state for the remainder of the year. NM is "third world" in a lot of aspects compared to many others. No way of getting in contact with a lot of students, lockers not cleaned out, no way to issue assignments and button things up. Is the grade at the shutdown going to be issued as a final? Could the student have been able to improve to the next letter grade which impacts GPA? It matters.

It was more important to legislate, pass, and sign into law red flag laws than being a leader and understanding the importance of keeping an eye on this bug and half way preparing for it. This thing did not just sneak up on us. It is easy for a "few weeks" to turn into a few months.

This is what has people upset. It's more than just staying home...

 

[CAforkedhorn]

See, if those people in your county spent less money on booze and DUI fines they could save more money. Life is about choices.

 

[hossblur]

LOL, you guys are incredible. Reading comprehension apparently escapes you and you make it sound like I'm an ******* who doesn't care about my employees. If you re-read what I wrote, I laid off 4 PART TIME employees but I paid them for 2 weeks of their layoff. I certainly didn't have to do that but it didn't hurt me to do it.

The comment that I would have gone out of business if I didn't lay them off is just stupid at best. I absolutely didn't have to lay them off but I'm not stupid either. You see it all the time with big companies too when times are tougher, even though they could retain employees, they would be stupid to pay people to do nothing for an extended period of time. You people act like I threw them out the door with nothing.

Suppose I take an 18 year old kid who hardly knows how to brush his teeth and I invest years into him to teach him to be an electrician. You're saying that I am indebted to that kid because I rent his human capital? You might have a point when that kid has enough capital to be a profitable employee but that doesn't happen over night. By that standard, that employee should be indebted to me until he reaches that point but that isn't the case. In fact, a lot of the time, time and money is invested in teaching a person to be an electrician only to have him leave because the shop down the road wants to pay him $2/hr more. Countless times it has happened to me that that guy left for a little higher pay only to be laid off as soon as the job was done and then has the nerve to want me to bring him back on.

I couldn't care less though if you guys think I'm a heartless prick. Clearly I'm not and if me not feeling too sorry for people that don't save money makes me an ******* then so be it. Everyone can save money. Obviously some more than others but it never ceases to amaze me when I see people buying food with food stamps while paying cash for their beer and cigarettes. Life is about choices, save the $30 you just spent on beer and cigarettes because you never know when you might need it for a rainy day.

Oh well, life goes on. I'm a dick because I don't feel sorry for people who blow their money on BS. Funny how not one of those employees that I laid off have called me to ask if there's any hours available yet. It seems the 2 weeks I paid them for plus their stimulus money combined with their unemployment coupled with their tax return probably will get them through this dilemma. The whole point of this thread is to point out how fragile our country is and it seems most of you like it that way.

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See, if those people in your county spent less money on booze and DUI fines they could save more money. Life is about choices.

Hard to believe any of your apprentices would journey out and bail on you.

 

[CAforkedhorn]

Hoss, Is that supposed to be sarcasm because it happens to every contractor everywhere? Shows what you know about anything. My foreman wouldn't quit if I went out of business but I do get some satisfaction in hanging up the phone when one of those jerk offs tries to come back to work for me.

Be careful out there, I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself being all fragile and stuff.

 

[CAforkedhorn]

Just curious Hoss, did you do any hunting last fall?

 

[hossblur]

Nope. Known contractors with that attitude for 30 years.

Good luck.

 

[CAforkedhorn]

So... is that a nope you didn't go hunting? And what "attitude" are you talking about?

 

[hossblur]

Just curious Hoss, did you do any hunting last fall?

Did you?

 

[CAforkedhorn]

Well I bought a bass boat last year so I did more fall bass fishing than hunting but still managed to whack some birds. I didn't do any big game though just because I wanted to play with my new toy.

But since you're having trouble answering my question, I'm going to assume that you did go hunting last fall. That too would be a CHOICE and an opportunity to save some money for a rainy day. Now based on your posts, you would have us believe that you don't have any discretionary spending money and you need the government to bail you out right now. I mean... I'm just asking why you had money to hunt last fall but now you need taxpayers to pay your rent?

 

[hossblur]

So... is that a nope you didn't go hunting? And what "attitude" are you talking about?

So... is that a nope you didn't go hunting? And what "attitude" are you talking about?

So... is that a nope you didn't go hunting? And what "attitude" are you talking about?

I was a foreman for a little over a decade.

2nd guy hired. In Jan of 09 we had 63 guys. I helped build that. I never assumed I was owed anything other than decent treatment.

The crash hit.

I was in the middle of in vitro he'll. He had out of town work, which I was offered.

I couldn't do both.

Walked into the bosses office, sat down, ecxplained.

He cried. And thanked me. He'd been worrying himself sick that me, and the other young foreman had young families, and mortgages. And he knew we were screwed. And it was killing him trying to keep us afloat.

He was a multi millionaire. He was going to survive he was worried to death about me.

He died 2 years later. He called me every month to check on me, to let me know I was welcome back any time.

Not one time did he ever hang up a phone laughing.

But then, thats why it took the great recession to get me to leave(Krogers warehouse), not $2hr.

 

[elkassassin]

It’s not surprising that individuals go straight into struggle mode at the slightest bump in the road (and this is clearly more than an economic bump). The number gets thrown around a lot, but I don’t remember it off the top of my head- Something like 60% of the country can’t come up with $500 for an emergency or something? Those people are clearly going to need some help, though it would be nice if a decent percentage of the country could learn to be financially responsible. What really ticks me off though is all the billion dollar companies with CEOs making 7 or 8 figures that have zero capability to ride out a rough spot without a heaping dose of socialism. How many of the companies now requiring a bailout (or are about to) just got a huge tax break to spend mostly on stock buybacks, and had their last big hit of socialism just 10 or 12 years ago? When the numbers get that big, is it not reasonable to have a plan for a big economic downturn, since they happen pretty regularly? That huge but ready to fail at a moments notice company is the symbol of success in this country- it is no wonder people have every last toy and gadget, but are completely screwed financially 3 weeks into this thing. How do people sleep on the edge of a financial cliff all their lives?

They Live for the Minute & Piss on Tomorrow!

 

[hossblur]

Well I bought a bass boat last year so I did more fall bass fishing than hunting but still managed to whack some birds. I didn't do any big game though just because I wanted to play with my new toy.

But since you're having trouble answering my question, I'm going to assume that you did go hunting last fall. That too would be a CHOICE and an opportunity to save some money for a rainy day. Now based on your posts, you would have us believe that you don't have any discretionary spending money and you need the government to bail you out right now. I mean... I'm just asking why you had money to hunt last fall but now you need taxpayers to pay your rent?

I don't rent. And, if you've been in buisness 48 years, that means ONE of us is taking in gov money, Medicare, medicade, SS. And that ain't me.

Your assumption that because I called you on your bullshit means anything, is a wrong as your "they buy Xbox" commentary.

I didnt ask the taxpayer for anything, which if your in buisness, you already know how that works.

Good luck man. I'll pound a few beers, play some Xbox, maybe start a meth or heroin habit with that $1200. I won't see it, but my other buisness owning friends might get to pay their mortgage 1 month while they frantically shut their doors, and go chase a job, due to no fault of their own

 

[CAforkedhorn]

Great, and I have a foreman whose been with me since 2003. He will die being my foreman if I don't die first because I have taken care of him and his family for 17 years now. I taught him everything he knows, he makes me money and I pay him well for it. Apparently you think all employees are that way? I got news for you, there is always someone who will pay more than you depending on how desperate they are for help and there is always employees chasing the money. I enjoy hanging up the phone on those guys when they leave for $2/hr more and then try to get their job back a couple months later because they've already shown me their true colors so piss on them.

You didn't call me on any bullshit because I didn't speak any bullshit. Your other business owning friends wouldn't have to worry about paying their mortgage for a month if they didn't spend all their money on beer, Xbox and meth but I suppose fragile people tend to flock together.

 

[hossblur]

Great, and I have a foreman whose been with me since 2003. He will die being my foreman if I don't die first because I have taken care of him and his family for 17 years now. I taught him everything he knows, he makes me money and I pay him well for it. Apparently you think all employees are that way? I got news for you, there is always someone who will pay more than you depending on how desperate they are for help and there is always employees chasing the money. I enjoy hanging up the phone on those guys when they leave for $2/hr more and then try to get their job back a couple months later because they've already shown me their true colors so piss on them.

You didn't call me on any bullshit because I didn't speak any bullshit. Your other business owning friends wouldn't have to worry about paying their mortgage for a month if they didn't spend all their money on beer, Xbox and meth but I suppose fragile people tend to flock together.

Says the guy that had to lay off folks after a week.

For a guy that's not fragile, you sure are concerned with what some welfare king in Utah thinks.

You do protest much for some reason.

 

[CAforkedhorn]

See there you go again. I'll put it in caps for you. I DIDN'T HAVE TO LAY OFF ANYONE, I CHOSE TO BECAUSE I'M NOT STUPID! I also don't drive down the street throwing money out the window, or use money to start the fireplace so why would I keep paying 4 people when my dining room is closed and business is half of what it normally is?

Now, again, be careful out there we wouldn't want you to break anything.

 

[hossblur]

See there you go again. I'll put it in caps for you. I DIDN'T HAVE TO LAY OFF ANYONE, I CHOSE TO BECAUSE I'M NOT STUPID! I also don't drive down the street throwing money out the window, or use money to start the fireplace so why would I keep paying 4 people when my dining room is closed and business is half of what it normally is?

Now, again, be careful out there we wouldn't want you to break anything.

Good thing is they will be fine. You said so yourself.

And hey, this way they can get on to Xbox playing sooner.

We get it. Your smarter, richer, wiser, than all us lowlifes.

I'll put it in caps

WE GOT IT.??

I'll try to not get hurt. Im not on Medicare yet, still have to scratch that check. But there is a chance. I'll be woeking tommorow, my customers have asked me to.

You stay home, like you said, the government is protecting you. Your remaining part timers, they will handle it for you?

 

[roadrunner]

See, if those people in your county spent less money on booze and DUI fines they could save more money. Life is about choices.

Good luck convincing them of that...

 

[Bluehair]

I know his county. There are other issues besides poverty.

 

[gleninaz]

We been here for 38 years now. My employees have been here the entire time. I lost all our retirement and home in the great recession keeping them all paid. This time we will figure it out and they will get paid. Our state is totally shut down for non essential business. We are here and working. My people here escaped from communist Romania. They know the dangers of too much government control and handouts. Sounds like they are saving you at first and they end up checking for papers.

 

[NeMont]

I think any honest observer would admit the economic boom was mostly smoke and mirrors papered over by massive borrowing at the Federal level, massive expansion of the FED's balance sheet and continued Quantitative Easing by a different name.

Consumer debt has risen more than before 2008, apparently many people didn't put away any dry powder during the "boom" times to prepare for the inevitable crisis. The reasons why that is are varied and numerous as everyone prioritized their own lives and money goals differently.

So now, in DC, the answer to any crisis is the same regardless of party, belief or political stripe: print what you can, borrow what you can't and subsidize everyone.

We better all pray it is enough and that the well doesn't run dry but I have my doubts. Seems like the whole world has gone a tad crazy. Reading the headlines one would think that 30% of the population has died instead of 3,000 out of 330,000,000 people.

Nemont

 

[gleninaz]

It is odd that they never show the deaths for the time period and compare them to the flu, car accidents, overdoses etc. Seems like we just collapsed the economy to save some of us olds. If you were worried about the debt load on our grandchildren you might as well give it up. They will be slaves by the time the government borrows $6 Trillion to hand out.

 

[roadrunner]

It is odd that they never show the deaths for the time period and compare them to the flu, car accidents, overdoses etc. Seems like we just collapsed the economy to save some of us olds. If you were worried about the debt load on our grandchildren you might as well give it up. They will be slaves by the time the government borrows $6 Trillion to hand out.

Only be slaves if they allow themselves to be...

 

[mossback50cal]

I think any honest observer would admit the economic boom was mostly smoke and mirrors papered over by massive borrowing at the Federal level, massive expansion of the FED's balance sheet and continued Quantitative Easing by a different name.

Consumer debt has risen more than before 2008, apparently many people didn't put away any dry powder during the "boom" times to prepare for the inevitable crisis. The reasons why that is are varied and numerous as everyone prioritized their own lives and money goals differently.

So now, in DC, the answer to any crisis is the same regardless of party, belief or political stripe: print what you can, borrow what you can't and subsidize everyone.

We better all pray it is enough and that the well doesn't run dry but I have my doubts. Seems like the whole world has gone a tad crazy. Reading the headlines one would think that 30% of the population has died instead of 3,000 out of 330,000,000 people.

Nemont

I see you're back....

 

[NeMont]

I see you're back....

for awhile, does that bother you?

 

[mossback50cal]

for awhile, does that bother you?

Not one bit. Just weird you guys all show back up, tooting your horns, that a deadly virus came and caused economic trouble. The "I told you so". Even though, like I said, it took a widespread, deadly virus.....

 

[roadrunner]

Market crashed because it has been, and continues to be, reported as a deadly virus.

 

[mossback50cal]

I never said you blamed the virus on anyone. Your whole post today was tooting your horn. The only thing is, you and your cronies all said Trump would cause it. Which, he did not. Our economy could never thrive in this situation. No matter who was our president. You weren't seen ANYWHERE on this forum after the sham impeachment trial.... the crazy thing, is h1n1 was just as bad, but we didn't force closures of businesses. Like I've said a few times, it's either a) worse than they say, or b)a political vessel. You guys are happy amid a deadly virus, THINKING it makes Trump look bad.

 

[NeMont]

So the whole world is locked down in order just to make Trump look bad? The dead piled up in Italy is just fake news, the people in Spain are willing to sacrifice their lives to make sure America elects somebody besides Trump.


China invented this virus to take out Trump and the Democrats are helping spread it to Trump supporters so they can't vote.

Or there is the truth, it is a virus that spreads and even if the worst case scenario happens and 200,000 Americans die, it would still represent .006% of our population.

A question I would ask is if this whole Virus is designed just to make him look bad, why does he go along with it? Seems odd to aid and abet your foes.



Nemont

 

[roadrunner]

I don't think people really understand what it means to keep the death toll down to "200,000" with such a contagious and deadly virus...

 

[mossback50cal]

Still the same you.... lack all reading comprehension skills. Not once did I say a word about what you are saying now.... didn't say a word about a virus designed to make him look bad. This is why I stopped responding to you, and will again. Not once do you address what I said. So have a nice day, not worth the energy to even type anything to you.

 

[NeMont]

I don't think people really understand what it means to keep the death toll down to "200,000" with such a contagious and deadly virus...

Well let's have the explanation because it seems like a high number until you put in context.

2017 is the last year I had data for showed that 2,823,420 people died in the U.S. : 7,708 per day. So if the worst case is 200,000, that is still about 7.1% of the total deaths for a year.

I am not saying we should ignore all the rules and just watch the Hospitals and morgue fill but maybe a different approach would be better.

Nemont

 

[NeMont]

Still the same you.... lack all reading comprehension skills. Not once did I say a word about what you are saying now.... didn't say a word about a virus designed to make him look bad. This is why I stopped responding to you, and will again. Not once do you address what I said. So have a nice day, not worth the energy to even type anything to you.

Exactly, I never said anything you claimed I did either because you are unable to show me where I "tooted my own horn"

So like I said before ignore my posts




Nemont

 

[hossblur]

With all due respect.

I am not, nor have I ever been a citizen of the world.

It sucks to live in Italy right now.

SO?

SUCKS WORSE TO LIVE IN CHINA. SO?

My ancestors came here with nothing and built something. Generations of my family have done the same.

Italy and China had the same chance, instead they declined.

I hurt for my brothers in NY. I hurt for my brothers in Michigan.

But what happens in Europe have zero affect on me.

CHINA stuck this on the world.

Trump didn't. Obama didn't. Clinton didn't.

You guys have got so caught up in teams that you can't see straight. It's DAMN SAD.

Not one of you will ask the doctor saving your azz if he votes D or R.

STFU with the team sports.

You want to ACTUALLY do something.

STOP BUYING CHINESE.

But SHUT UP with the team sports.

America will overcome IN SPITE of the D or R. Not because of them.