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Oneye

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Mike Lee

Last time I'm going to bring a thread up about this, but it needs to be food for thought in peoples minds headed into the next 5 weeks.

We are a little over a month away from midterm elections. So I think it is worthwhile to go over Mike Lee’s tenure in congress on conservation and public land issues. Mike Lee is up for re-election, and is running against Independent Evan McMullin who is essentially also conservative, but is not as tied into the Republican Party platform as Mike Lee is, and does not have the track record of being so antagonistic to conservation. I’ll say up front yes, I’m voting for McMullin. I’ve watched Mike Lee attack public lands too much, and McMullin is very much a 2nd amendment advocate, along with close on other issues with me. But without diving too deep into the weeds, in reference to this upcoming election lets look at Mike Lee’s record on public lands and conservation during his time in congress.



Let’s start with his long term pledge to attack public lands:




Next let’s look at the Great American Outdoors Act which was signed into law in 2020 by President Trump. There are several examples of improvements being made even in my backyard, including roads being fixed, new restrooms being put in, culverts being put in, etc. on public lands in my and your back yards by that bill. Supporting our local public lands, and local businesses completing the work. Mike Lee voted AGAINST that bill. Here are just a few of the conservation organizations, many are likely members of who were integral in getting that bill passed with greatly has and will benefit our public lands, local economies in rural areas, and improve experiences in our own backyards. The list includes NWTF, Pheasants Forever, Mule Deer Foundation, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Ducks Unlimited, Wild Sheep Foundation, and many more. You know, all the pillars of conservation/hunting groups out there. Here’s a few of their press releases when the act passed:

https://muledeer.org/public-policy/the-great-american-outdoors-act/

https://www.rmef.org/elk-network/opening-and-accessing-americas-great-outdoors/

https://www.pheasantsforever.org/Bl...reat-American-Outdoors-Act.aspx?feed=articles

https://www.ducks.org/press-room/ne...se-passage-of-the-great-american-outdoors-act



Here’s Senator Lee comparing America’s public lands to playgrounds for the elite:

https://www.trcp.org/2018/07/05/utah-senator-compares-americas-public-lands-elite-playgrounds-not/



Here’s his most recent attack introduced to sell public lands for housing development:

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/senate_bill_would_greenlight_sale_of_public_lands#/281/



Here’s the BLM not agreeing with his proposed bill above:

https://www.kuer.org/politics-gover...ees-proposal-to-sell-public-lands-for-housing



Mike Lee sinks large public lands package:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2018/12/20/sen-mike-lee-sinks-big/



OnXMaps Article referencing Lee’s transfer bill in 2017:

https://www.onxmaps.com/hunt/blog/onx-defends-public-land



Anyone who would like to is welcome to share other embarrassing moments on the issue of conservation and public lands from Lee in this thread. My very simple point here is, there isn’t a pillar of the outdoor hunting community that would endorse Mike Lee’s actions during his time in congress towards public lands, hunting, fishing, and conservation. In fact they continually fight for and applaud the bills he always votes against. We don’t need to get too far out into the weeds, this is here to reference the antagonistic, partisan, and attacking nature of Lee towards conservation and public lands while he has been a Senator.
 

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I will continue to support Mike Lee and believe he is by far the best candidate for Utah. Oneye reminds me of so many other fanatics who can't see the forest for the trees.

You have started and posted so many threads that it is clear you will not be swayed by facts or reality. I have no intention of arguing with a zealot; I am simply stating that Mike Lee has my support and I believe the support of the majority of Utahns.

Go Mike Lee!

Bill
 

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I'm not from Utah- but voting for McMullin will be the same as voting for a D. I'll bet my last dollar McM will caucus with them. If that's what you want, go for it...
Yeah, just totally wrong on that. McMullin is largely conservative, and trying to walk a very fine line not to totally alienate Democrats. There's nothing in McMullins past to suggest anything but he's conservative, more than I'd even like. If McMullin is elected, it will by and large be Democrats who are disappointed once he's in the Senate.
 
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I will continue to support Mike Lee and believe he is by far the best candidate for Utah. Oneye reminds me of so many other fanatics who can't see the forest for the trees.

You have started and posted so many threads that it is clear you will not be swayed by facts or reality. I have no intention of arguing with a zealot; I am simply stating that Mike Lee has my support and I believe the support of the majority of Utahns.

Go Mike Lee!

Bill
Do tell me, what is so wrong with McMullin? He's largely in agreement on several things Lee is. Do you believe in term limits? Do you believe being a Senator should be a lifelong career? Mike Lee is hardly what is needed, and is an embarrassment to the outdoor community and public lands in the senate. He is a top 3 worst person in congress in regards to it. I see the forest for the trees. I see a guy whos been in congress 12 years, accomplished nothing, and been antagonistic and against the things I love and enjoy at every chance he gets. It is in fact you who can't see the forest for the trees, in that you can't see McMullin is largely conservative, everything from his past points to him being quite conservative. He was a Republican before changing to an Independent. You know why Republican groups have poured $3 million onto a Senate race they normally wouldn't have to spend a dime? Because Mike ain't that popular, and they are scared the two party balance might get a swift kick in the ass if they don't run non-stop smear ads for 3 months against his opponent. This will go down as the most expensive Senate race in state history and Lee/Republican groups are going to dump around $8 million on this race by the time it's done. That's an outstanding number to dump into Utah. God forbid that 2 party false choice get upset. They're so desperate to hold that power, they're dumping never before seen cash into the state for ads and a smear campaign. If Lee was so widely supported and in such good shape, he wouldn't need $8 million to beat McMullin who has around $2.5 million to spend. The reason Lee can win, is because he has a huge political cash advantage and incumbency.
 
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Do tell me, what is so wrong with McMullin? He's largely in agreement on several things Lee is. Do you believe in term limits? Do you believe being a Senator should be a lifelong career? Mike Lee is hardly what is needed, and is an embarrassment to the outdoor community and public lands in the senate. He is a top 3 worst person in congress in regards to it. I see the forest for the trees. I see a guy whos been in congress 12 years, accomplished nothing, and been antagonistic and against the things I love and enjoy at every chance he gets. It is in fact you who can't see the forest for the trees, in that you can't see McMullin is largely conservative, everything from his past points to him being quite conservative. He was a Republican before changing to an Independent. You know why Republican groups have poured $3 million onto a Senate race they normally wouldn't have to spend a dime? Because Mike ain't that popular, and they are scared the two party balance might get a swift kick in the ass if they don't run non-stop smear ads for 3 months against his opponent. This will go down as the most expensive Senate race in state history and Lee/Republican groups are going to dump around $8 million on this race by the time it's done. That's an outstanding number to dump into Utah. God forbid that 2 party false choice get upset. They're so desperate to hold that power, they're dumping never before seen cash into the state for ads and a smear campaign. If Lee was so widely supported and in such good shape, he wouldn't need $8 million to beat McMullin who has around $2.5 million to spend. The reason Lee can win, is because he has a huge political cash advantage and incumbency.
There’s a place for your political BS and it’s not here…
 

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Yeah, just totally wrong on that. McMullin is largely conservative, and trying to walk a very fine line not to totally alienate Democrats. There's nothing in McMullins past to suggest anything but he's conservative, more than I'd even like. If McMullin is elected, it will by and large be Democrats who are disappointed once he's in the Senate.
LOL....
 

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Show me the proof I'm wrong.....I'll wait.....
LOL that Democrats will hate him being in office. Ya, right. The Dems are lining up to vote for Lee, just to make sure that horribly conservative McM doesn't get there, they hate it soooo bad. JSMN.

Dude- if your gonna stump for someone, at least make believable arguments. "Democrats who are disappointed once he's in the Senate" is a joke, everyone knows it.

Now your argument about conservation may be sound. Conservation is a largely apolitical issue- many Rs and Ds are conservationists. But make NO mistake, McM will be VERY bad for conservatives and republicans in the Senate.

As for waiting, my proofs are every bit as good as your proofs. So we can both wait till the moon turns blue.
 

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LOL that Democrats will hate him being in office. Ya, right. The Dems are lining up to vote for Lee, just to make sure that horribly conservative McM doesn't get there, they hate it soooo bad. JSMN.

Dude- if your gonna stump for someone, at least make believable arguments. "Democrats who are disappointed once he's in the Senate" is a joke, everyone knows it.

Now your argument about conservation may be sound. Conservation is a largely apolitical issue- many Rs and Ds are conservationists. But make NO mistake, McM will be VERY bad for conservatives and republicans in the Senate.

As for waiting, my proofs are every bit as good as your proofs. So we can both wait till the moon turns blue.
Literally nothing I’ve said isn’t true. Sure they dislike Lee, there’s a plethora who refuse to vote for either of them because they dislike McMullin as well lol. McMullin has been a Republican his entire life, his stances speak for themselves. He’s on record multiple times siding conservatively on a multitude of issues. You just don’t know what you’re talking about at all.

Oh and PS, I don’t care about Democrats or Republicans in the Senate, and you are right about one thing, McMullins vote will hold a lot more weight in the Senate for Utah than Lee’s does, because he’ll be asked for his input, they’ll want his vote, and Utah will benefit from it. I would point to the most powerful politician in the United States in Joe Manchin as proof you can use that leverage to help your state. You don’t live in Utah, I do, and I care that Utah has leverage in the Senate as well. With Lee, he’s nothing but an automatic vote no one truly cares about. McMullin is on record as being conservative on guns, education, abortion, etc. So again, I’ll ask you for proof that he would side with Dems in any way? You won’t find any, because it doesn’t exist. His stances throughout his political career leave no doubt he is pretty conservative, as I said, more so than I’d like on a lot of things.

McMullin was the chief policy director for the House Republican Conference in the US House of Representatives at one point, but yeah @HikeHunt61 he's not conservative.
I call this an endorsement.....

This is not an endorsement in any way, shape, or form and you know it. Again, he has endorsed no one. You can read right? That’s the media drawing/painting their own conclusion. Lee and Romney are much tighter than Lee and McMullin btw. All that says is Romney would prefer to stay out of it because he knows them both well and considers them both friends. I’d actually like if he did endorse McMullin, but he’s not going to. You and I both know that’s no more an endorsement for Lee as it is McMullin.
 
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because he's a pusssy...and Junior to Lee
He voted for impeachment and took all the flack from that. I can assure you, an endorsement is nothing if he wanted to do it. *****? Nah. And keep your stupid childish nonsense like this off the thread.
 

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Don’t contribute further to the downfall, its very clear that this election will have lifelong impact on everyone’s lives, weve Got to send a clear message. Lee is obviously the conservative here, there won’t be any democrats voting for him.
 

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I am not debating Senator Lee's public land stance I am addressing the Great Amercan Outdoors Act
But he was right for not voting for the bill that was introduced for the Great American Outdoors Act as it was written.
Remember there is two parts to this bill one was appropriating 1.9 billion a year for five years to provide needed maintenance for critical facilities and infrastructure in our national parks, forests, wildlife refuges, recreation areas, and American Indian schools affairs. The second was to Permantly fund the Land and Water Conservation Fund to the amount of 900 millon a year.
Lee stated he did not support appropriating the needed money for the Great Amercan Outdoors Act because he did not support the permanent funding of 900 million a year for the Land and Water Conservation Fund. Lee stated (paraphrasing) "nothing that the Federal Government funds should be guaranteed and permanent"
No Federal Government program should be guaranteed funding, the funds can be used for things the American tax payers do not want to pay for. All you have to do is look at some of the guaranteed funded programs the Federal Government already funds.
Example the Department of Education for primary and secondary education.
Not that the Federal Government should not help fund education but we should not be funding these left wing agendas that are being taught from kindergarten all the way to graduate school.
There should not be permanent funding for anything including for the children, the military, health or for conservation.
The Land and Water Conservation funds will become nothing but a left wing climate agenda fund. Not the same Conservation funded projects that was envisioned by most when the Great Amercan Outdoors Act was passed.
oneye you are so smart you tell me how are we going to pay the 900 million a year that is guaranteed and permanent for Land and Water Conservation if the Federal Government keeps cutting back oil and gas leases. (thanks democrats agenda)
 

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I am not saying Senator Lee should be giving a pass and we should not consider good candidates but McMullin is not the candidate I can support.
The moment he supported (not standing up against is supporting) that DemoRats should register as Republicans so they could vote in the primary for McMullin he lost my vote.
Any party affiliation should vote for whichever candidate they fell represents them the best in the general election.
But a primary DemoRats should not take away the rights of the Republican party to have the candidate that best represent the Republicans.
 

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I am not saying Senator Lee should be giving a pass and we should not consider good candidates but McMullin is not the candidate I can support.
The moment he supported (not standing up against is supporting) that DemoRats should register as Republicans so they could vote in the primary for McMullin he lost my vote.
Any party affiliation should vote for whichever candidate they fell represents them the best in the general election.
But a primary DemoRats should not take away the rights of the Republican party to have the candidate that best represent the Republicans.
What are you talking about? McMullin is an INDEPENDENT he had nothing to do with the Republican Primary. This is all fantasy. This didn't happen. McMullin has not been on a Republican primary ballot so now you're just lying. Also, why exactly do you think closed primaries are a good thing? It's how you end up with **** candidates on both sides of the isle. Everyone should have whatever say in who they vote for as anyone else. ALL primaries should be open to ALL voters.
I am not debating Senator Lee's public land stance I am addressing the Great Amercan Outdoors Act
But he was right for not voting for the bill that was introduced for the Great American Outdoors Act as it was written.
Remember there is two parts to this bill one was appropriating 1.9 billion a year for five years to provide needed maintenance for critical facilities and infrastructure in our national parks, forests, wildlife refuges, recreation areas, and American Indian schools affairs. The second was to Permantly fund the Land and Water Conservation Fund to the amount of 900 millon a year.
Lee stated he did not support appropriating the needed money for the Great Amercan Outdoors Act because he did not support the permanent funding of 900 million a year for the Land and Water Conservation Fund. Lee stated (paraphrasing) "nothing that the Federal Government funds should be guaranteed and permanent"
No Federal Government program should be guaranteed funding, the funds can be used for things the American tax payers do not want to pay for. All you have to do is look at some of the guaranteed funded programs the Federal Government already funds.
Example the Department of Education for primary and secondary education.
Not that the Federal Government should not help fund education but we should not be funding these left wing agendas that are being taught from kindergarten all the way to graduate school.
There should not be permanent funding for anything including for the children, the military, health or for conservation.
The Land and Water Conservation funds will become nothing but a left wing climate agenda fund. Not the same Conservation funded projects that was envisioned by most when the Great Amercan Outdoors Act was passed.
oneye you are so smart you tell me how are we going to pay the 900 million a year that is guaranteed and permanent for Land and Water Conservation if the Federal Government keeps cutting back oil and gas leases. (thanks democrats agenda)
Yes, 100%. The LWCF should have been being funded the entirety of the program instead of the money being stolen to pay for other things. It should ALWAYS have been funded fully. By the way @notdonhunting EVERY SINGLE SPORTSMAN/HUNTING organization has fought tooth and nail to get LWCF fully funded for decades. The LWCF being fully funded was a HUGE win for conservation and everyone from SFW to BHA, to MDF, to RMEF has wanted it and applauded it. Where do you think a lot of matching federal dollars come from for conservation projects for the money raised by state agencies? LWCF is a big part of that. Oh and our national parks? yeah, they definitely needed a lot of maintenance, pretending they didn't is just partisan hackery. Our national parks are overrun with people, God forbid we spend some money on maintenance I know. Lee doesn't support adding acreage to public lands which the LWCF does and THAT is why he's against it. Every sportsman organization supports it fully and fought hard for decades to get just what the GAOA achieved. Full and permanent funding for a program that has benefited hunters, anglers, outdoor recreationalists, and YOU and ME as well.

Here's a map of projects LWCF has funded, enjoy, there's a lot in Utah:
 

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Don’t contribute further to the downfall, its very clear that this election will have lifelong impact on everyone’s lives, weve Got to send a clear message. Lee is obviously the conservative here, there won’t be any democrats voting for him.
Lee is a partisan hack, that's all he is. He is every bit as big of a problem in Washington as anyone else.
 

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Everything about McMullen seems clouded or wrong. I've read several articles, and even talked with him when he was running against Trump. I don't trust a thing he says. He is no Conservative!
The entirety of his political life prior to your post says otherwise, but sure.
 

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Yeah, just totally wrong on that. McMullin is largely conservative, and trying to walk a very fine line not to totally alienate Democrats. There's nothing in McMullins past to suggest anything but he's conservative, more than I'd even like. If McMullin is elected, it will by and large be Democrats who are disappointed once he's in the Senate.
The only fine line McMullin is walking is to fool a conservative state to elect him….
 

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The only fine line McMullin is walking is to fool a conservative state to elect him….
Idk what you people don’t get. Lifelong Republican. Even sat as a chief policy director for the House Republicans. Is on record of being conservative his entire life. Oh, but he doesn’t like Trump so he’s a Democrat? It’s sad how much some of you have fallen into one guy representing all aspects of you politically. Conservative? Yes he is. Trumpy? No he’s not.
 

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Mike Lee is anti-public lands, anti-hunting, and anti-conservation, but by all means lather yourselves in him instead of the other Republican in the race because he doesn’t like the one guy. News flash everyone. Mike Lee that super uper duper conservative VOTED for McMullin in 2016, and then called Trump captain Moroni 4 years later. One of them changed, the other did not.
 

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It’s sad how much some of you have fallen into one guy representing all aspects of you politically. Conservative? Yes he is. Trumpy? No he’s not.
Oneye- believe it or not, I despise Trump. He's an a**. I did not and will not vote for him in the primaries. But you wanna talk about being courageous and all? You put aside your emotional feelings about the individual and vote for who you think will be the best for the country. If you are conservative (which I'm guessing from your copious posts you are not, and that's fine), you don't vote for Biden. McM not only voted for him, he endorsed him.

It's certainly NOT about "fallen" for anybody. Just what folks think will be best for the country.

So now you know what many "don't get", in your words. It's not about Trump at all.
 

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What are you talking about? McMullin is an INDEPENDENT he had nothing to do with the Republican Primary. This is all fantasy. This didn't happen. McMullin has not been on a Republican primary ballot so now you're just lying. Also, why exactly do you think closed primaries are a good thing? It's how you end up with **** candidates on both sides of the isle. Everyone should have whatever say in who they vote for as anyone else. ALL primaries should be open to ALL voters.
You are right it was Becky Edward's that the Dems wanted to hack the primary for.
Sorry I suppose I am a liar.

Yes, 100%. The LWCF should have been being funded the entirety of the program instead of the money being stolen to pay for other things. It should ALWAYS have been funded fully. By the way @notdonhunting EVERY SINGLE SPORTSMAN/HUNTING organization has fought tooth and nail to get LWCF fully funded for decades. The LWCF being fully funded was a HUGE win for conservation and everyone from SFW to BHA, to MDF, to RMEF has wanted it and applauded it. Where do you think a lot of matching federal dollars come from for conservation projects for the money raised by state agencies? LWCF is a big part of that. Oh and our national parks? yeah, they definitely needed a lot of maintenance, pretending they didn't is just partisan hackery. Our national parks are overrun with people, God forbid we spend some money on maintenance I know. Lee doesn't support adding acreage to public lands which the LWCF does and THAT is why he's against it. Every sportsman organization supports it fully and fought hard for decades to get just what the GAOA achieved. Full and permanent funding for a program that has benefited hunters, anglers, outdoor recreationalists, and YOU and ME as well.

Here's a map of projects LWCF has funded, enjoy, there's a lot in Utah:
The Department of Education used to do alot of good for this country too, not so much now.
Now you learn how to keep your prosthetic Boobs away from the wood lathe.
The FBI was once the top law enforcement in the country now they are a left wing political hack.
The military used be ready within few days to mobilize and be the strongest fighting force on this planet and now HR needs to approve whither the men and ladies and the ones that go by pronouns are mentally up to the challenge.
The LWCF has and is doing some good things, but now that the government has gave them a check of 900 million without oversite what will it become.
Of course the Conservation groups support LWCF they got their hands in the pie too.(for now)
You did not answer
How will we fund the 900 million for the LWCF if the democrats keep cutting oil and gas leases?
Idk what you people don’t get. Lifelong Republican. Even sat as a chief policy director for the House Republicans. Is on record of being conservative his entire life. Oh, but he doesn’t like Trump so he’s a Democrat? It’s sad how much some of you have fallen into one guy representing all aspects of you politically. Conservative? Yes he is. Trumpy? No he’s not.
McMullin publicly endorsed Biden 2020 presidential campaign so that makes him a closer to Democrat than a Republican. Romney and Cheney did not indore Biden.
 

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Show me the proof I'm wrong.....I'll wait.....

There's not a Senator more antagonistic to public lands in the Senate. This is very much about outdoors. I have less political posts on here than Mike Lee has anti-public land bills and votes in the Senate.

There is no threat. A certain MM member so eloquently has stated that politicians from states have no effect on everyone else.

Mike Lee is harmless.
 

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What’s most important is that if republicans don’t win the senate our country is doomed, stop focusing on your own personal crisis and think about the consequence of losing a senate seat, does any of that register? Im not sure what else needs to be said, it’s not about you and your hatred of one man, this is an election that will change the face of our country for better or worse, the results depend on all of us to put aside our differences and vote, stop trying to sway people into a decision that could negatively affect our children and our families for a lifetime. Please, my hell.
 

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What’s most important is that if republicans don’t win the senate our country is doomed, stop focusing on your own personal crisis and think about the consequence of losing a senate seat, does any of that register? Im not sure what else needs to be said, it’s not about you and your hatred of one man, this is an election that will change the face of our country for better or worse, the results depend on all of us to put aside our differences and vote, stop trying to sway people into a decision that could negatively affect our children and our families for a lifetime. Please, my hell.

They don't see it that way...
 

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Idk what you people don’t get. Lifelong Republican. Even sat as a chief policy director for the House Republicans. Is on record of being conservative his entire life. Oh, but he doesn’t like Trump so he’s a Democrat? It’s sad how much some of you have fallen into one guy representing all aspects of you politically. Conservative? Yes he is. Trumpy? No he’s not.
Haven't you done the same thing you are complaining about only with McMullin instead of Trump? Falling for one guy there, guy.
 

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Oh! Lifelong republican! Just like Romney, right? He will vote with the republicans every time, yep that’s all we need, another Romney, IDK what you don’t get.
 

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What’s most important is that if republicans don’t win the senate our country is doomed, stop focusing on your own personal crisis and think about the consequence of losing a senate seat, does any of that register? Im not sure what else needs to be said, it’s not about you and your hatred of one man, this is an election that will change the face of our country for better or worse, the results depend on all of us to put aside our differences and vote, stop trying to sway people into a decision that could negatively affect our children and our families for a lifetime. Please, my hell.
Wouldn’t it have been nice if someone could have told that to the former loser in chief during the GA 2020 runoffs. You’re barking up the wrong tree.
 

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As to the title of the OP......Teddy was the first progressive.....not a hero of mine, all though, his life story is great
 

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What’s most important is that if republicans don’t win the senate our country is doomed, stop focusing on your own personal crisis and think about the consequence of losing a senate seat, does any of that register? Im not sure what else needs to be said, it’s not about you and your hatred of one man, this is an election that will change the face of our country for better or worse, the results depend on all of us to put aside our differences and vote, stop trying to sway people into a decision that could negatively affect our children and our families for a lifetime. Please, my hell.
Stop pretending someone who isn't Mike Lee and has been on record as coderivative his entire life isn't a Republican. All this race is, is a race of a Trumpy conservative, and a non-Trumpy conservative.
Oh! Lifelong republican! Just like Romney, right? He will vote with the republicans every time, yep that’s all we need, another Romney, IDK what you don’t get.
Romney has voted with Republicans on 90% of issues and at a higher % with Trump than Lee. Romney is a conservative. I know some of you don't like facts, and you just like your ultra conservative talking points, but Romney's voting record is VERY conservative, and minorly bipartisan on bills to make sure Utah ends up with something out of them. Mike Lee has never let Utah's voice end up in legislation because I'll say again, no one in congress cares what the dude thinks. It's actually really hilarious Romney is singled out. It's just over Trump, because Romney is conservative, you're just Trumpy.

Haven't you done the same thing you are complaining about only with McMullin instead of Trump? Falling for one guy there, guy.
Not at all, because conservative values and a politician are two different things. I'd also never vote for a politician for a third time in office. Lee's had his two terms. If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten. There's plenty of candidates I would tout over McMullin, Mike Lee isn't one of them.

They don't see it that way...
I see that both these dudes are conservatives and some are intent on making sure a career politician remains a career politician.
 

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As to the title of the OP......Teddy was the first progressive.....not a hero of mine, all though, his life story is great
Teddy, is the guy who created the backbone of the western United States and was heavily criticized in his day for doing it. So much so congress passed a law to stop him from creating national forests. In the waning days before he had to sign or veto the bill, he created 16 million acres of national forest in the last two days and then signed the bill preventing him from ever doing it again. What a badass, and thank god for the hunter, conservationist, and American public lands icon. Teddy Roosevelt. The fact you're no Teddy fan well.....I guess that tells me all about how much I think of your opinion on public lands.
 
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open BOTH eyes....
Open both eyes. Mike Lee voted for Evan McMullin in 2016 for President of the United States.

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Stop pretending someone who isn't Mike Lee and has been on record as coderivative his entire life isn't a Republican. All this race is, is a race of a Trumpy conservative, and a non-Trumpy conservative.

Romney has voted with Republicans on 90% of issues and at a higher % with Trump than Lee. Romney is a conservative. I know some of you don't like facts, and you just like your ultra conservative talking points, but Romney's voting record is VERY conservative, and minorly bipartisan on bills to make sure Utah ends up with something out of them. Mike Lee has never let Utah's voice end up in legislation because I'll say again, no one in congress cares what the dude thinks. It's actually really hilarious Romney is singled out. It's just over Trump, because Romney is conservative, you're just Trumpy.


Not at all, because conservative values and a politician are two different things. I'd also never vote for a politician for a third time in office. Lee's had his two terms. If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten. There's plenty of candidates I would tout over McMullin, Mike Lee isn't one of them.


I see that both these dudes are conservatives and some are intent on making sure a career politician remains a career politician.

Wow. That was a busy post.
 

Vanilla

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I didn’t read most of the post, but doesn’t this crap belong in the Campfire and not here? Take your politics and shove em, this is a hunting forum.
 

Homer

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I didn’t read most of the post, but doesn’t this crap belong in the Campfire and not here? Take your politics and shove em, this is a hunting forum.
Actually...it belongs in the politics forum. Cry to daddy when he gets back and no doubt he'll put it there. We don't have those capabilities.....
 

Oneye

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So to the moderators of this forum, you moved the post to the politics forum….where exactly can it be found? Because I do not see it in the traditional list of forum areas.
 
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Oneye

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Rome is burning to the ground. If elected McMuffin will be there with his jug of kerosene. Just say no
I also like he’s embraced people using the term “McMuffin”. It’s nice when you can be reasonable enough to make fun of yourself. McMullin will make a fine Senator if elected.
 

Bluehair

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There goes the neighborhood……for a awhile the political forum was the friendliest place on the whole site.
 

Bluehair

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So to the moderators of this forum, you moved the post to the politics forum….where exactly can it be found? Because I do not see it in the traditional list of forum areas.
Go up to founders “This is not a political forum” thread. The link is in there. You almost have to save it as a separate browser page because you have to go thru the same nutroll every time you come back.

Its almost like founder is hiding it.
 

Bluehair

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Did the big thread really get nuked??
I see the long McMuffin thread over on the Utah page.

Vaguely related, I got my Dr Oz email yesterday asking me for money.

I think thats backwards. If you want me to vote for you, you need to send ME money. Ultimately that’s what we’re voting for anyway (who sends us the most money or stuff via tax/spend policies), just don’t see why I can’t get a taste up front.
 

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