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LAST EDITED ON Aug-12-18 AT 08:37AM (MST)[p]You can always make it better.



http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...hares-fake-trump-approval-rating-on-instagram




Why any surprise ? Obama walked into a recession on his first day and Trump walked into the longest run of jobs growth in US history.


Trump has a 40% approval baked in no matter what. those are the racist narcissistic base he couldn't lose unless he acted like a president. the economic data is reflective of the very different economies they inherited.





Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>LAST EDITED ON Aug-12-18
>AT 08:37?AM (MST)

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>You can always make it better.
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>http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...hares-fake-trump-approval-rating-on-instagram
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>Why any surprise ? Obama
>walked into a recession
>on his first day and
>Trump walked into the longest
>run of jobs growth in
>US history.
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> Trump has a 40% approval
>baked in no matter what.
> those are the racist
>narcissistic base he couldn't lose
> unless he acted like
>a president. the economic
>data is reflective of
>the very different economies they
>inherited.
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends

Well I am glad you redacted your original post, after you actually looked to see I had not used the doctored image.

So,

You are saying that this is all because of Obama?

Was it not Obama that said something like, this country cannot have a growth of more than 2% and it was the new norm/status quo?

Could the approval rating be a reflection of the media coverage that the two had received in that time?
 
The glaring difference between the two approval ratings is obviously the mind set of the two groups. Those who approve Trump are common patriotic down to earth hard working men and women. Those who approved of Obama were the lazy socialist, terrorist sympathizing crowd. 9.4% unemployment was a good start for them.
 
nice post eelgrass, nice analogy, spot on...

"Trump has a 40% approval baked in no matter what. those are the racist narcissistic base he couldn't lose unless he acted like a president"

Just like Obama has his core base of welfare mongers looking to suck dry the gov. terrorist loving, no work, no clue what it takes to keep their welfare, food stamps and social work programs funded.

you have an excuse for everything. go back to touching yourself to a pic of Obama, try michelle this time, still dude but a different face for your sick fantasy?


whatever happened to her/him running for president?

you can take the rat out of the hood, but never the hood out of the rat.
 
Weedagain is exactly what makes watching Trump fall so much fun. full on ignorance in a showcase.


DGB, Don't you think it stands to reason a president who steps into a great economy has an advantage over one who steps into the worst recession since the great depression ?

If you want to see Trump's numbers all like a turd in a well then wait for the correction that's coming. which with chit like his tariffs he will actually be responsible for. it's coming, if he doesn't resign or get impeached you'll see what I mean. and it still probably won't be as dire as what Obama stepped into on day one.

A simple question, do you think Trump will run the DOW up 148% ? do you think he'll beat Obama's 75 consecutive moths of jobs growth ? yes, no, why?

Now do I think Obama did it all be himself ? hell no. but that means Trump hasn't either right ?


By the way, Trump is busting the deficit and I don't mean bringing it down. what about that ?




Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>
>Weedagain is exactly what makes watching
>Trump fall so much fun.
> full on ignorance in
>a showcase.
>
>
> DGB, Don't you think
>it stands to reason a
>president who steps into a
>great economy has an advantage
>over one who steps into
>the worst recession since the
>great depression ?
>
>If you want to see Trump's
>numbers all like a turd
>in a well then wait
>for the correction that's coming.
> which with chit
>like his tariffs he will
>actually be responsible for.
> it's coming, if he
>doesn't resign or get impeached
>you'll see what I mean.
> and it still probably
>won't be as dire as
>what Obama stepped into on
>day one.
>
>A simple question, do you
>think Trump will run the
>DOW up 148% ?
>do you think he'll beat
>Obama's 75 consecutive moths of
>jobs growth ? yes,
> no, why?
>
> Now do I think Obama
>did it all be himself
>? hell no.
>but that means Trump hasn't
>either right ?
>
>
>By the way, Trump is busting
>the deficit and I don't
>mean bringing it down.
>what about that ?
>
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends

Ocho,

There are i agree with you on many things. I believe there will be a correction, and I get that he came into a much better situation than his predecessor.

But, I see too much of this try to take away from the good and focus on the bad.

Do you believe Obamas policies are the only reason for the growth we have seen?

Do you believe it is Trumps policies that will be solely responsible for the correction.

You yourself said Trump came into a better economy than Obama. So is it fair to say that he can match the market growth of Obama? I mean he is not using QE to inflate the market like Obama. Is it fair to ask that with the economic explosion we have seen in the last 18 months to expect job growth to continue for the next 60 months?

I do not believe he will match the market growth, I do not believe he will have consecutive job growth until 2024.

I don't believe the correction will solely be his fault, although I do believe the "looming trade war" could/will make the correction if it happens much much worse.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-18 AT 09:17AM (MST)[p]Have you read any economic history and the affects of what tariffs did to make the Great Depression deeper, last longer and ultimately was one of the major causes of WWII?

No, Obama didn't do much of anything alone nor is responsible for what growth did happen. QE wasn't his policy alone, it was the independent FED who did QE for 10 years. Now that is going to unwind. Which leads to a couple of major issues for our current leadership in the White House.

1. How to continue to finance massive deficits while at the same time the FED is selling off their bond holdings? There has never been a situation similar to this and given Trump's record on defaults I have zero trust in his ability to navigate it without blowing up the financial stability of the country.

2. By starting a trade war with everyone in the world, it gives those inclined to buy our debt HUGE leverage over which way the country/economy/budget can go. More wealth will be robbed by inflation as DC tries to cope with rising interest rates then was ever robbed by raising taxes.

We can pretend Trump is the greatest ever but he isn't. He is doubling down on the on the thing that has bipartisan support: Spending like drunken sailors and refusing to pay the bar tab.

Nemont




Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
>Newmont.
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>Very well educated and written response.
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>I agree with everything you have
>stated 100%.


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Lets factcheck Trumps great accomplishments.


AP FACT CHECK: Trump?s economic mirage; Sanders on Medicare

By HOPE YEN and CHRISTOPHER RUGABER

Yesterday

?https://apnews.com/2fab5cc446fa49ec9eb44fd1d6220dfc

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WASHINGTON (AP) ? President Donald Trump is pulling numbers out of thin air when it comes to the economy, jobs and the deficit.

He refers to a current record-breaking gross domestic product for the U.S. where none exists and predicts a blockbuster 5 percent annual growth rate in the current quarter that hardly any economist sees. Hailing his trade policies in spite of fears of damage from the escalating trade disputes he's provoked, Trump also falsely declares that his tariffs on foreign goods will help erase $21 trillion in national debt. The numbers don't even come close.

The statements capped a week of grandiose and erroneous claims by Trump and his critics, including questionable rhetoric from Sen. Bernie Sanders that his ?Medicare for all? plan would reduce U.S. health spending by $2 trillion.

A sampling of the statements, and the reality behind them:

ECONOMY AND JOBS

TRUMP: ?Economic growth, last quarter, hit the 4.1. We anticipate this next quarter to be ? this is just an estimate, but already they're saying it could be in the fives.? ? remarks Tuesday before a group of business executives.

TRUMP: ?As you know, we're doing record and close-to-record GDP.? ? remarks Tuesday.

THE FACTS: No. These are the latest in a string of exaggerated claims that Trump has made about the U.S. economy.

While economists are generally optimistic about growth, very few anticipate the economy will expand at a 5 percent annual rate in the July-September quarter the president referred to. Macroeconomic Advisers, a consulting firm in St. Louis, forecasts 3.2 percent growth in the third quarter. JPMorgan Chase economists have penciled in 3.5 percent. The Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta pegs it at 4.3 percent.

Whatever the final number turns out to be, none of these figures represents record or close-to-record growth for gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the nation?s output. The 4.1 percent growth in the second quarter was simply the most since 2014.

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TRUMP: ?We?ve created 3.9 million more jobs since Election Day ? so almost 4 million jobs ? which is unthinkable.? ? remarks Thursday at prison reform event in Bedminster, N.J.

THE FACTS: It's not that unthinkable, since more jobs were created in the same period before the November 2016 election than afterward.

It's true that in the 20 months since Trump?s election, the economy has generated 3.9 million jobs. In the 20 months before his election, however, employers added 4.3 million jobs.

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TRUMP: ?Great financial numbers being announced on an almost daily basis. Economy has never been better, jobs at best point in history.? ? tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: He?s exaggerating. The economy is healthy now, but it has been in better shape at many times in the past.

Growth reached 4.1 percent at an annual rate in the second quarter, which Trump highlighted late last month with remarks at the White House. But it's only the best in the past four years. So far, the economy is expanding at a modest rate compared with previous economic expansions. In the late 1990s, growth topped 4 percent for four straight years, from 1997 through 2000. And in the 1980s expansion, growth even reached 7.2 percent in 1984.

It's not clear what Trump specifically means when he declares that jobs are at the ?best point in history,? but based on several indicators, he's off the mark.

The unemployment rate of 3.9 percent is not at the best point ever ? it is actually near the lowest in 18 years. The all-time low came in 1953, when unemployment fell to 2.5 percent during the Korean War. And while economists have been surprised to see employers add 215,000 jobs a month this year, a healthy increase, employers in fact added jobs at a faster pace in 2014 and 2015. A greater percentage of Americans held jobs in 2000 than now.

Trump didn't mention probably the most important measure of economic health for Americans ? wages. While paychecks are slowly grinding higher, inflation is now canceling out the gains. Lifted by higher gasoline prices, consumer prices increased 2.9 percent in June from a year earlier, the most in six years.

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TARIFFS AND THE DEFICIT

TRUMP: ?Because of Tariffs we will be able to start paying down large amounts of the $21 Trillion in debt that has been accumulated, much by the Obama Administration, while at the same time reducing taxes for our people.? ? tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: This isn't going to happen.

The Treasury Department estimates that all tariffs currently in place will raise about $40 billion in revenue in the 2018 budget year, which ends Sept. 30. Even with the recent tariff increases Trump has implemented or threatened to put in place, it clearly wouldn't be enough to reduce the $21 trillion national debt. It's just 5 percent of what the president would need to eliminate the annual budget deficit of $804 billion that the Congressional Budget Office predicts for this year. The national debt represents the accumulation of all the annual deficits.

The president seems to believe that foreigners pay tariffs, but they are import taxes paid for by American businesses and consumers. They may make it harder for other countries to sell things in the United States, but they are just another form of tax and do not result in lower taxes for the American people overall.

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FOOD STAMPS

TRUMP: ?Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps ? that's since the election. ... That's some number. That's a big number.? ? Ohio rally on Aug. 4.

TRUMP: ?More than 3.5 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps ? something that you haven't seen in decades.? ? remarks at White House on July 27.

WHITE HOUSE: ?More than 2.8 million have stopped participating in the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP) - commonly known as food stamps - since Trump?s first full month in office.? ? information sheet released Tuesday, citing Fox Business report.

THE FACTS: Trump and the White House omit important context and overstate his role in reducing the number of people on food stamps. Nor is it accurate that recent declines are the biggest in decades. It's true, as the White House conveys, that more than 2.8 million people stopped participating in the program during the 15-month period from February 2017, Trump?s first full month in office, to May 2018, the latest Agriculture Department data available. But this decline is consistent with a longer-term downward trend in food stamp usage due to an improving economy. Currently there are 39.3 million people in the program; food stamp usage peaked in 2013 at around 47.6 million, following the recession.

For instance, in the 15-month period before Trump?s first full month in office, food stamps declined by 3.3 million ? larger than the 2.8 million that dropped off under Trump?s watch.

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MEDICARE

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: ?Medicare for All will lead to a $2 TRILLION REDUCTION in national health expenditures over 10 years.? ? tweet July 30.

THE FACTS: Sanders? tweet and YouTube video are being widely echoed by supporters of a government-run national health system. But the Vermont independent mischaracterizes a study from a libertarian policy institute that found his legislation would lead to a massive boost in federal spending and taxation.

The study from the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Virginia also concluded that ?Medicare for all? is unlikely to produce a dividend for U.S. society in the form of lower total health care spending. To get that result would require paying hospitals and doctors much less than they get now and risk putting some out of business.

The study found that if hospitals and doctors were willing to accept Medicare-based payments of 40 percent less for patients who currently have private insurance, then projected U.S. health care spending would decline by about 3 percent from 2022-2031, or $2.05 trillion. It's a big asterisk, and one that Sanders fails to disclose.

That's the number Sanders is celebrating.

But the study also said if medical providers continue to be paid about the same as now, U.S. health care spending would increase by $3.25 trillion over 10 years under ?Medicare for all.? It works out to about 5 percent more.

That's far different from Sanders? assurance that his plan ?will lead? to huge spending reductions.

___

WILDFIRES AND WATER

TRUMP: ?California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren't allowing massive amounts of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean.? ? tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: That's not what state experts say.

?We have plenty of water? for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state?s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California?s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn't been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state?s water wars.

Trump?s claim ?is so physically impossible, you don't even really want to respond,? Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California?s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

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TRUMP: ?Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.? ? tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country?s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California?s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state?s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.

___

VETERANS

TRUMP: ?The Democrats are obstructionists. The only thing they do well, they're lousy politicians, they have horrible, stupid policies. You know, let's get rid of law enforcement, let's get rid of our military, let's not take care of our vets ? all of these things. ... They?ll do anything they can really to obstruct or resist.? ? remarks Aug. 4 at Ohio rally.

THE FACTS: On the contrary, in regards to veterans? issues, every major bill signed into law by Trump has passed with strong support from both Republicans and Democrats. In one case, House Democrats did block an emergency funding bill for the Veterans Choice private-sector program after veterans groups complained that it focused on too much private care instead of core VA programs. The Democrats? dissent resulted in additional funding for both private care and VA programs in the revised bill.

More recently, Robert Wilkie was confirmed by the Senate to serve as VA secretary on an 86-9 vote. It was a moment of strong bipartisan display compared to the partisan discord over other Trump nominees.

___

Associated Press writers Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Chloe Kim and Ellen Knickmeyer contributed to this report.

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Find AP Fact Checks at?http://apne.ws/2kbx8bd
 
>Lets factcheck Trumps great accomplishments.
>
>
>AP FACT CHECK: Trump?s economic mirage;
>Sanders on Medicare
>
>By HOPE YEN and CHRISTOPHER RUGABER
>
>
>Yesterday
>
>?https://apnews.com/2fab5cc446fa49ec9eb44fd1d6220dfc
>
>Link copied!
>
>WASHINGTON (AP) ? President Donald Trump
>is pulling numbers out of
>thin air when it comes
>to the economy, jobs and
>the deficit.
>
>He refers to a current record-breaking
>gross domestic product for the
>U.S. where none exists and
>predicts a blockbuster 5 percent
>annual growth rate in the
>current quarter that hardly any
>economist sees. Hailing his trade
>policies in spite of fears
>of damage from the escalating
>trade disputes he's provoked, Trump
>also falsely declares that his
>tariffs on foreign goods will
>help erase $21 trillion in
>national debt. The numbers don't
>even come close.
>
>The statements capped a week of
>grandiose and erroneous claims by
>Trump and his critics, including
>questionable rhetoric from Sen. Bernie
>Sanders that his ?Medicare for
>all? plan would reduce U.S.
>health spending by $2 trillion.
>
>
>A sampling of the statements, and
>the reality behind them:
>
>ECONOMY AND JOBS
>
>TRUMP: ?Economic growth, last quarter, hit
>the 4.1. We anticipate this
>next quarter to be ?
>this is just an estimate,
>but already they're saying it
>could be in the fives.?
>? remarks Tuesday before a
>group of business executives.
>
>TRUMP: ?As you know, we're doing
>record and close-to-record GDP.? ?
>remarks Tuesday.
>
>THE FACTS: No. These are the
>latest in a string of
>exaggerated claims that Trump has
>made about the U.S. economy.
>
>
>While economists are generally optimistic about
>growth, very few anticipate the
>economy will expand at a
>5 percent annual rate in
>the July-September quarter the president
>referred to. Macroeconomic Advisers, a
>consulting firm in St. Louis,
>forecasts 3.2 percent growth in
>the third quarter. JPMorgan Chase
>economists have penciled in 3.5
>percent. The Federal Reserve Bank
>of Atlanta pegs it at
>4.3 percent.
>
>Whatever the final number turns out
>to be, none of these
>figures represents record or close-to-record
>growth for gross domestic product,
>the broadest measure of the
>nation?s output. The 4.1 percent
>growth in the second quarter
>was simply the most since
>2014.
>
>___
>
>TRUMP: ?We?ve created 3.9 million more
>jobs since Election Day ?
>so almost 4 million jobs
>? which is unthinkable.? ?
>remarks Thursday at prison reform
>event in Bedminster, N.J.
>
>THE FACTS: It's not that unthinkable,
>since more jobs were created
>in the same period before
>the November 2016 election than
>afterward.
>
>It's true that in the 20
>months since Trump?s election, the
>economy has generated 3.9 million
>jobs. In the 20 months
>before his election, however, employers
>added 4.3 million jobs.
>
>___
>
>TRUMP: ?Great financial numbers being announced
>on an almost daily basis.
>Economy has never been better,
>jobs at best point in
>history.? ? tweet Monday.
>
>THE FACTS: He?s exaggerating. The economy
>is healthy now, but it
>has been in better shape
>at many times in the
>past.
>
>Growth reached 4.1 percent at an
>annual rate in the second
>quarter, which Trump highlighted late
>last month with remarks at
>the White House. But it's
>only the best in the
>past four years. So far,
>the economy is expanding at
>a modest rate compared with
>previous economic expansions. In the
>late 1990s, growth topped 4
>percent for four straight years,
>from 1997 through 2000. And
>in the 1980s expansion, growth
>even reached 7.2 percent in
>1984.
>
>It's not clear what Trump specifically
>means when he declares that
>jobs are at the ?best
>point in history,? but based
>on several indicators, he's off
>the mark.
>
>The unemployment rate of 3.9 percent
>is not at the best
>point ever ? it is
>actually near the lowest in
>18 years. The all-time low
>came in 1953, when unemployment
>fell to 2.5 percent during
>the Korean War. And while
>economists have been surprised to
>see employers add 215,000 jobs
>a month this year, a
>healthy increase, employers in fact
>added jobs at a faster
>pace in 2014 and 2015.
>A greater percentage of Americans
>held jobs in 2000 than
>now.
>
>Trump didn't mention probably the most
>important measure of economic health
>for Americans ? wages. While
>paychecks are slowly grinding higher,
>inflation is now canceling out
>the gains. Lifted by higher
>gasoline prices, consumer prices increased
>2.9 percent in June from
>a year earlier, the most
>in six years.
>
>___
>
>TARIFFS AND THE DEFICIT
>
>TRUMP: ?Because of Tariffs we will
>be able to start paying
>down large amounts of the
>$21 Trillion in debt that
>has been accumulated, much by
>the Obama Administration, while at
>the same time reducing taxes
>for our people.? ? tweet
>Sunday.
>
>THE FACTS: This isn't going to
>happen.
>
>The Treasury Department estimates that all
>tariffs currently in place will
>raise about $40 billion in
>revenue in the 2018 budget
>year, which ends Sept. 30.
>Even with the recent tariff
>increases Trump has implemented or
>threatened to put in place,
>it clearly wouldn't be enough
>to reduce the $21 trillion
>national debt. It's just 5
>percent of what the president
>would need to eliminate the
>annual budget deficit of $804
>billion that the Congressional Budget
>Office predicts for this year.
>The national debt represents the
>accumulation of all the annual
>deficits.
>
>The president seems to believe that
>foreigners pay tariffs, but they
>are import taxes paid for
>by American businesses and consumers.
>They may make it harder
>for other countries to sell
>things in the United States,
>but they are just another
>form of tax and do
>not result in lower taxes
>for the American people overall.
>
>
>___
>
>FOOD STAMPS
>
>TRUMP: ?Almost 3.9 million Americans have
>been lifted off food stamps
>? that's since the election.
>... That's some number. That's
>a big number.? ? Ohio
>rally on Aug. 4.
>
>TRUMP: ?More than 3.5 million Americans
>have been lifted off food
>stamps ? something that you
>haven't seen in decades.? ?
>remarks at White House on
>July 27.
>
>WHITE HOUSE: ?More than 2.8 million
>have stopped participating in the
>Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP)
>- commonly known as food
>stamps - since Trump?s first
>full month in office.? ?
>information sheet released Tuesday, citing
>Fox Business report.
>
>THE FACTS: Trump and the White
>House omit important context and
>overstate his role in reducing
>the number of people on
>food stamps. Nor is it
>accurate that recent declines are
>the biggest in decades. It's
>true, as the White House
>conveys, that more than 2.8
>million people stopped participating in
>the program during the 15-month
>period from February 2017, Trump?s
>first full month in office,
>to May 2018, the latest
>Agriculture Department data available. But
>this decline is consistent with
>a longer-term downward trend in
>food stamp usage due to
>an improving economy. Currently there
>are 39.3 million people in
>the program; food stamp usage
>peaked in 2013 at around
>47.6 million, following the recession.
>
>
>For instance, in the 15-month period
>before Trump?s first full month
>in office, food stamps declined
>by 3.3 million ? larger
>than the 2.8 million that
>dropped off under Trump?s watch.
>
>
>___
>
>MEDICARE
>
>SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: ?Medicare for All
>will lead to a $2
>TRILLION REDUCTION in national health
>expenditures over 10 years.? ?
>tweet July 30.
>
>THE FACTS: Sanders? tweet and YouTube
>video are being widely echoed
>by supporters of a government-run
>national health system. But the
>Vermont independent mischaracterizes a study
>from a libertarian policy institute
>that found his legislation would
>lead to a massive boost
>in federal spending and taxation.
>
>
>The study from the Mercatus Center
>at George Mason University in
>Virginia also concluded that ?Medicare
>for all? is unlikely to
>produce a dividend for U.S.
>society in the form of
>lower total health care spending.
>To get that result would
>require paying hospitals and doctors
>much less than they get
>now and risk putting some
>out of business.
>
>The study found that if hospitals
>and doctors were willing to
>accept Medicare-based payments of 40
>percent less for patients who
>currently have private insurance, then
>projected U.S. health care spending
>would decline by about 3
>percent from 2022-2031, or $2.05
>trillion. It's a big asterisk,
>and one that Sanders fails
>to disclose.
>
>That's the number Sanders is celebrating.
>
>
>But the study also said if
>medical providers continue to be
>paid about the same as
>now, U.S. health care spending
>would increase by $3.25 trillion
>over 10 years under ?Medicare
>for all.? It works out
>to about 5 percent more.
>
>
>That's far different from Sanders? assurance
>that his plan ?will lead?
>to huge spending reductions.
>
>___
>
>WILDFIRES AND WATER
>
>TRUMP: ?California wildfires are being magnified
>& made so much worse
>by the bad environmental laws
>which aren't allowing massive amounts
>of readily available water to
>be properly utilized. It is
>being diverted into the Pacific
>Ocean.? ? tweet Monday.
>
>THE FACTS: That's not what state
>experts say.
>
>?We have plenty of water? for
>battling the massive blazes burning
>in hills north of San
>Francisco, said Scott McLean, a
>spokesman for the California Department
>of Forestry and Fire Protection.
>The current spate of wildfires
>happens to be within range
>of large Northern California lakes
>and the state?s biggest river,
>McLean said.
>
>Nor is having enough water a
>problem in battling California wildfires
>in general. Firefighting aircraft can
>dip in and out of
>cattle ponds or other small
>bodies of water to scoop
>up water for dropping and
>spraying on flames. When fires
>burn in an area that
>happens to be without ponds,
>lakes or rivers, state officials
>typically call in more planes
>to ferry in water, McLean
>said.
>
>California?s battles over divvying up water
>in the arid state are
>unending, but a battle between
>firefighters and the Pacific Ocean
>hasn't been one of them,
>according to Jay Lund, a
>civil and environmental engineering professor
>at the University of California,
>Davis, and a longtime analyst
>of the state?s water wars.
>
>
>Trump?s claim ?is so physically impossible,
>you don't even really want
>to respond,? Lund said.
>
>For one thing, the wildfires are
>in the hills, far from
>the Pacific Ocean and from
>the man-made storage and distribution
>system that carries water from
>California?s wetter north to the
>drier, more populated south.
>
>___
>
>TRUMP: ?Governor Jerry Brown must allow
>the Free Flow of the
>vast amounts of water coming
>from the North and foolishly
>being diverted into the Pacific
>Ocean. Can be used for
>fires, farming and everything else.
>Think of California with plenty
>of Water - Nice! Fast
>Federal govt. approvals.? ? tweet
>Monday.
>
>THE FACTS: Trump is raising an
>old dispute in California, the
>country?s top farm state: the
>competition for water between agricultural
>and environmental groups, fishermen and
>others who want more water
>for wildlife and habitat. But
>the dispute has little to
>do with firefighting.
>
>Republican lawmakers in California?s agriculture-rich Central
>Valley complain the state and
>federal governments allow too much
>of the state?s rainfall and
>snow melt to flow naturally
>through rivers and into the
>Pacific Ocean, instead of being
>diverted for irrigation.
>
>___
>
>VETERANS
>
>TRUMP: ?The Democrats are obstructionists. The
>only thing they do well,
>they're lousy politicians, they have
>horrible, stupid policies. You know,
>let's get rid of law
>enforcement, let's get rid of
>our military, let's not take
>care of our vets ?
>all of these things. ...
>They?ll do anything they can
>really to obstruct or resist.?
>? remarks Aug. 4 at
>Ohio rally.
>
>THE FACTS: On the contrary, in
>regards to veterans? issues, every
>major bill signed into law
>by Trump has passed with
>strong support from both Republicans
>and Democrats. In one case,
>House Democrats did block an
>emergency funding bill for the
>Veterans Choice private-sector program after
>veterans groups complained that it
>focused on too much private
>care instead of core VA
>programs. The Democrats? dissent resulted
>in additional funding for both
>private care and VA programs
>in the revised bill.
>
>More recently, Robert Wilkie was confirmed
>by the Senate to serve
>as VA secretary on an
>86-9 vote. It was a
>moment of strong bipartisan display
>compared to the partisan discord
>over other Trump nominees.
>
>___
>
>Associated Press writers Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Chloe
>Kim and Ellen Knickmeyer contributed
>to this report.
>
>___
>
>Find AP Fact Checks at?http://apne.ws/2kbx8bd

What ever Antifa ?, Fact check the people API writers are Hillary loosers
 
Wow, with the exception of 264 this adult grade conversation. how refreshing.


I agree with Nemont and NV has some great information.


To your question about focusing on the bad and not the good, I think that has two possible answers . one, Trump is such an unlikable blowhard even when he does good it's hard to not puke when he speaks. he can't say " this is really great for America " he says, " this is the best thing that ever happened to America in history of the world and you have me to thank for it . it's just great, like me. that's what I hear all the time. " BARFFFF.



But the main reason is he hasn't done much good for America. so it's hard to focus on the good that doesn't exist. NV gave some examples but I can give more if you're not sold.


What would you say are the good things he's done? and by that I mean he's done . I sat here for 5 minutes and the best I could do is he's moved us closer to culling some feral horses off public land . then I thought about how he's attacking public lands and it ruined it for me. there must be something good, what say you ?









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