Trophy Applications

[twsnow18]

The roll out of the 2021 non-res fees couldn't have been worse timing. The break down for a NR:

$185 non-refundable license.
$2,626.75 tag fee fronted.
$45.75 non-refundable application fee.
Processing fee is 3% of the total transaction at check out + $3.50. Processing fee unavoidable, phone or online doesn't matter.

$319.98 total non-refundable for minuscule odds. Before credit card interest if you go that route.

I don't apply for MSG, so please correct me if I'm off somewhere.

Assuming you don't draw and want to hunt OTC archery elk. Tack on the new $81.75 archery permit and the $651.75 elk tag. $1,053.48.

Even at $1,053.48 there is certainly still value, no doubt. Especially with the quality of our archery elk hunting and rifle deer. In comparison with MT at over a grand and WY pushing $1300+ with their processing fee. In WY & MT you can't go every year, here you can.

Now the value in Idaho has always been the no point system and the fall back of good general hunts. I'm as much of a homer as anyone on the boards. But as we start to see general opportunity slowly slipping away (pick your weapon, pick your zone, new 5 day waiting period for capped zones, Sawtooth/Diamond Creek becoming controlled, etc), it certainly becomes less appealing. The legislature has got to realize that the economy over the past 5 years is not the norm, median or mean, but the outlier.

 

[shootem]

I would say there desire to push non residents away will definitely work. Then the residents will still complain that their hunting spot is still too crowded. Can’t blame the non residents then, so I wonder who/what will be to blame for the over crowding. Hmm...

 

[mickeyelk]

This is my first year hunting in Idaho, may be my last!

 

[rmanwill]

Yep. Already had to cut a couple states off the application process over the years. Idaho will follow, at least for trophy species.

Have to pay and play smarter anymore. Still choose a few out of state hunts to put in for, but thinning them down.

Can find plenty to hunt without breaking the bank.

 

[N_Corey]

Idaho isn’t out of line with any other western state for prices with the new fee structure especially since it’s the only you can hunt OTC. Also the crying about the archery and muzzleloader permits is crazy since this is one of the only states that you can actually hunt multiple seasons with the same tag.

 

[HalfAce]

Not worth it if you don’t do a general hunt of some sort.

ID elk hunting > MT elk hunting.

Lots of private land in MT that the elk flock to once the hunting starts. ID you can actually find huntable elk on public land. That alone makes the ID elk tag fee worth it in my mind. MT is a rip off if you are the public land hunter.

 

[HUNTNNW]

until IDFG begins to manage the residents nothing is being fixed. About the same amount of NR elk tags have been there for 20 plus years. What has changed is 500,000 people have moved to ID in last 18 years. There is the problem..do the math

 

[hawkbill]

Trophy Applications? Did you mean Oppurtunity Applications? Idaho is not a trophy state, the farmers run the show now, and they are piss poor at management. They want you to spend a lot of money for your hunt tags, the results end up poor for most hunters, because of over harvest on our central units followed by 2 bad winter kills, but hey you can always head to Ketchum and stalk up on First Lite and have a pint and reminisce about Back Country Hunters and Anglers.

 

[OLDHORNHUNTER]

My 2 cents ALL NON RESIDENT deer elk antelope tags should be in a separate draw pool by them selves. NO OTC tags Period !! All of the controlled tags should be Idaho resident's Only !! Make a special draw throw a few tags NOT 10% to non residents .. And Hell Manage the Fricking Game not the Farmers Ranchers & hunters !!!

 

[Deerlove]

Since Id is the last draw, it will suffer the most. IMO

 

[twsnow18]

Not worth it if you don’t do a general hunt of some sort.

ID elk hunting > MT elk hunting.

Lots of private land in MT that the elk flock to once the hunting starts. ID you can actually find huntable elk on public land. That alone makes the ID elk tag fee worth it in my mind. MT is a rip off if you are the public land hunter.

No doubt. As mentioned, I'm as much of a homer as anyone and you'll find plenty of my posts defending ID value on here and Hunt Talk. Still plenty of value there, especially considering us and Colorado are the last 2, true over the counter options.

You don't even need On-X here. Many guys echo your same sentiments regarding elk flocking to private in MT during rifle. The hunting gets good here with some snow.

I guess my point is that we're headed in the wrong direction, as once our value (OTC) decreases to a certain point, there will be no motive for the non-resident to spend $320 non-refundable towards Idaho's wildlife. Especially in a "poor" or even an "average" economy.

 

[blacktailBC]

I don’t know about elk, but the OTC deer hunting doesn’t warrant the price from what I’ve seen.

 

[HalfAce]

I don’t know about elk, but the OTC deer hunting doesn’t warrant the price from what I’ve seen.

Quality mule deer hunting definitely fluctuates in the northern states. Winter of 16-17 did ID no favors. It’s probably in the bottom of the curve right now. Still, I’ll probably be back again this year, you never know what will show up from the high country.

 

[HUNTNNW]

My 2 cents ALL NON RESIDENT deer elk antelope tags should be in a separate draw pool by them selves. NO OTC tags Period !! All of the controlled tags should be Idaho resident's Only !! Make a special draw throw a few tags NOT 10% to non residents .. And Hell Manage the Fricking Game not the Farmers Ranchers & hunters !!!

Open your eyes! 50,000 new "resident" hunters in last 18 years! NR fund 56% of IDFG.. great idea

 

[customweld]

Open your eyes! 50,000 new "resident" hunters in last 18 years! NR fund 56% of IDFG.. great idea

56 percent of license and tag revenue. Not the whole department.

 

[fullthrottle]

Idaho needs a point system of some sort for non residents, PERIOD! I’m fine paying application fee’s if I’m actually gaining ground. But if I have to fork out a bunch of money for a shot in the dark 6-12% random chance of drawing just a decent, let alone a great tag. Then I could see myself utilizing my funds elsewhere. The saddest part of the whole deal, is Idaho has some of if not the best mule deer genetics in the entire country, and they continue to piss it away with their garage management.

 

[twsnow18]

I'm not anti IDFG like many on this board, as they don't get to dictate much. But they have made some poor decisions over the past 3 years with the little that they do have control over.

I do agree that our management is rather bush league, when compared to AZ, WY, etc. They are much more progressive. And I'm not referring to trophy quality or horns, but their overall methods and strategies.

We still have some fantastic deer hunting, hand over fist better genetics and better horns than what you see coming out of MT's general deer hunts.

Ignore oldpornhunter, he's exhausted his pornhub premium library by this point in the quarantine.

 

[hawkbill]

None of us were anti IDFG, but when you pull the B.S. that Mike McDonald the head biologist for Magic Valley pulled with his non-transparent agenda, his secret Sharp Shooters team and his total mismanagement of our trophy mule deer than you have a lot of pissed off sportsman. If the Farmer Commissioners and Legislators don’t want to manage our game properly than they best get out of the way or they are going to find thousands of sportsman on the steps of the capitol, we have done it before and we will do it again. As for non-resident fees I’m truly surprised the Farmers didn’t try to Charge non-residents more, they truly don’t care about your hunting experience it’s all about the payout. If you think your mad about the fees you have got to pay to be a non-resident, you have no Idea how mad the locals are about the mis-management of our big game animals. This Meateater oppurtunity hunting that Mike McDonald finds so attractive has become a big joke on him. Don’t worry though non-residents it’s not your fault, we have just got to get this mess straightened out or it’s going to be the worst state to hunt for all of us.

 

[N_Corey]

Idaho needs a point system of some sort for non residents, PERIOD! I’m fine paying application fee’s if I’m actually gaining ground. But if I have to fork out a bunch of money for a shot in the dark 6-12% random chance of drawing just a decent, let alone a great tag. Then I could see myself utilizing my funds elsewhere. The saddest part of the whole deal, is Idaho has some of if not the best mule deer genetics in the entire country, and they continue to piss it away with their garage management.

Your odds aren’t going to get any better if they start a point system. I’d actually bet they’ll get worse.

 

[fullthrottle]

You think? What if let’s say you are putting in for a unit that takes, oh I don’t know 5-8 points to draw, mid tier unit let’s say. I draw that tag 2 maybe 3 times in my life. Then let’s say this same tag is a 8% draw in the random. Maybe draw 5 times in my life, or maybe I never draw. I’ll take the guaranteed 2 times over the random 0 to 5 any day.

 

[HUNTNNW]

You think? What if let’s say you are putting in for a unit that takes, oh I don’t know 5-8 points to draw, mid tier unit let’s say. I draw that tag 2 maybe 3 times in my life. Then let’s say this same tag is a 8% draw in the random. Maybe draw 5 times in my life, or maybe I never draw. I’ll take the guaranteed 2 times over the random 0 to 5 any day.

theres a whole bunch of units that would become 8 points to draw then 15 and so forth! No points in ID! point sytems suck! take a look around these days with all the bitchin about how broke it is.

 

[Weiserbucks]

Point systems are a great way to guarantee that your kids and grandchildren will NEVER draw a tag . I say keep it the way it is, cut some tags and have a 3 year waiting period for successful applicants.

 

[fullthrottle]

Hunted deer in Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, and Arizona. Multiple times in each state, and they all have a dreaded “point” system of some sort. I’ve never once draw a tag in Idaho, and its not like I’m not putting in for the hardest to draw tags. 10% odds of drawing type stuff. 15+ years of putting in and nothing. Some positives of points- There are plenty of decent tags around the west that you can draw with very few points. It’s also nice as a non resident to having a good idea to knowing when you might draw a tag just for logistics alone. The money I fork out each year for a application fee gets me something for my investment. Your kids aren’t going to draw an unit 40 rut tag in their lifetime regardless of points. A 50/50 split would be ideal in my opinion. The lucky are still going to find a rabbits foot and draw a tag, but it gives the unlucky like myself a chance to get a good tag if I pay my dues and draw with my points. I’m not trying to argue, just making my case why a point system is attractive to me.

 

[Deerlove]

Point systems are a great way to guarantee that your kids and grandchildren will NEVER draw a tag . I say keep it the way it is, cut some tags and have a 3 year waiting period for successful applicants.

They won't do a 3 year waiting period, they want that hunting license $ as often as they can get it.

 

[N_Corey]

Hunted deer in Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, and Arizona. Multiple times in each state, and they all have a dreaded “point” system of some sort. I’ve never once draw a tag in Idaho, and its not like I’m not putting in for the hardest to draw tags. 10% odds of drawing type stuff. 15+ years of putting in and nothing. Some positives of points- There are plenty of decent tags around the west that you can draw with very few points. It’s also nice as a non resident to having a good idea to knowing when you might draw a tag just for logistics alone. The money I fork out each year for a application fee gets me something for my investment. Your kids aren’t going to draw an unit 40 rut tag in their lifetime regardless of points. A 50/50 split would be ideal in my opinion. The lucky are still going to find a rabbits foot and draw a tag, but it gives the unlucky like myself a chance to get a good tag if I pay my dues and draw with my points. I’m not trying to argue, just making my case why a point system is attractive to me.

I’d suggest if you like those systems so well concentrate on them and forget about Idaho since you can’t draw.

 

[nvborn]

Isn't this post supposed to be about trophy species apps? I didnt even know we could apply for deer....

 

[Deepcolor]

This got out in the weeds. I assume the term trophy is meaning OIL tags where a 3 year wait is a mute point if you already drew the tag.
No points, I would like my kids to have a chance.

 

[andrew12gauge]

Hunted deer in Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, and Arizona. Multiple times in each state, and they all have a dreaded “point” system of some sort. I’ve never once draw a tag in Idaho, and its not like I’m not putting in for the hardest to draw tags. 10% odds of drawing type stuff. 15+ years of putting in and nothing. Some positives of points- There are plenty of decent tags around the west that you can draw with very few points. It’s also nice as a non resident to having a good idea to knowing when you might draw a tag just for logistics alone. The money I fork out each year for a application fee gets me something for my investment. Your kids aren’t going to draw an unit 40 rut tag in their lifetime regardless of points. A 50/50 split would be ideal in my opinion. The lucky are still going to find a rabbits foot and draw a tag, but it gives the unlucky like myself a chance to get a good tag if I pay my dues and draw with my points. I’m not trying to argue, just making my case why a point system is attractive to me.

Something to point out about each of those states, the tags you’re drawing with less than 5 points to hunt each of those states multiple times are OTC opportunities here in Idaho. The controlled hunts in this state are a bonus in addition to all the general season opportunities, that’s why we don’t need a point system

 

[twsnow18]

Something to point out about each of those states, the tags you’re drawing with less than 5 points to hunt each of those states multiple times are OTC opportunities here in Idaho. The controlled hunts in this state are a bonus in addition to all the general season opportunities, that’s why we don’t need a point system

+1

180+ deer come from these gas station tags every year.

 

[fullthrottle]

Something to point out about each of those states, the tags you’re drawing with less than 5 points to hunt each of those states multiple times are OTC opportunities here in Idaho. The controlled hunts in this state are a bonus in addition to all the general season opportunities, that’s why we don’t need a point system

Really, huh?? I’ll have to look into those gas station OTC tags that have rifle dates in mid September and mid November. I didn’t realize Idaho had OTC rifle tags in mid September... I can assure you the tags I’m drawing are far from OTC tags in Idaho. I’ve hunted OTC deer in Idaho, and I’m not saying there isn’t trophy bucks available. I get it, some don’t like a point system. I for one am for some sort of a point system. To each there own, it’s not worth arguing. Sorry for mucking up the thread. Back to OIL discussion.

 

[Sierra]

Points are a joke. Imagine them giving frequent state lotto players a better chance to win? And for the record, i have points in most of the states. Some more than others.

 

[Deerlove]

Idaho does some strange things, one of the units i've hunted went to controlled for NR's but the #'s just came out and the hunter #s in the unit stay the same. Essentially they replaced $300 plus tags with $20 resident tags.

 

[IdahoHntr]

You think? What if let’s say you are putting in for a unit that takes, oh I don’t know 5-8 points to draw, mid tier unit let’s say. I draw that tag 2 maybe 3 times in my life. Then let’s say this same tag is a 8% draw in the random. Maybe draw 5 times in my life, or maybe I never draw. I’ll take the guaranteed 2 times over the random 0 to 5 any day.

You aren't even close to comparing apples to apples.

What you said above is just simply not true. An 8% draw in a random hunt equates to a 13 point tag (probably more because it's been proven that point systems tend to increase applications every year). Unless you have put in for an 8% tag for 13 straight years, then you statistically haven't put in your time.

A 5-8 point tag would be equal to a 20%-12.5% random draw tag. Points don't change anything. Hard to draw tags are going to be hard to draw in a point system, just like they are in the random.

And like has been said, none of those states you mentioned offer OTC opportunity (besides Arizona archery). You can buy over the counter in Idaho what it takes 3 years to draw in those other states. Since your all about the guaranteed, who wouldn't take a guaranteed tag every year over one every 3 years? And that's IF point creep doesn't happen. Not a single state has figured out how to stop point creep yet, so that's a pretty big IF.

Points suck and aren't sustainable long term. They are such a short sighted solution to a problem that doesn't exist. With all the issues they are starting to cause in every western points state, I can't believe people are still falling for that kind of crap.

 

[hawkbill]

Idaho will never entertain a point system, this has been brought up many times, but if you think you can continue to hunt over the counter our trophy deer will never come back and I’m not talking about 170 or 180 class deer. You are also wrong about points, I have drawn a lot of good tags with points and I will draw a hand full more good tags with points.I also look at my hunting as a lifetime investment especially for OIL tags. If you don’t like points, how about a three to five year waiting period after your hunt successful or not. Idaho cannot continue to be an over the counter hunt for everyone that cannot draw a tag anywhere else.

 

[BrianID]

Fullthrottle,

Idaho has had OTC rifle in mid September and mid November for over 20 years. If you didn’t already know that then you don’t seem to know enough to argue about Idaho OTC tags.

I’ve been playing the point game in multiple western states for 15 years. The best analogy to a point system that I’ve seen is Socialism. It seems like a good idea on paper and the first few years it seems to work well but in the long run they both cause serious problems.

 

[Outdoordan]

I agree with Bill on the waiting period. It needs to be at least 3 years on bucks and bulls. Maybe 5 years.

 

[Deerlove]

Your missing the point, Id does not want that 3 to 5 year waiting period, they want that 150$ soon to be 200$ hunting license from NR's. They want that $ every year.

 

[Outdoordan]

We already have a 2-year wait. Making it 3-5 is not out of the question, however, we have residents that resist ANY change, good or bad. As far as increasing revenue, if they were only concerned with that, they would not have changed quotas as your other post indicated.

 

[Deerlove]

If you draw a controlled elk or deer tag you only have to sit out one year correct?

 

[Outdoordan]

Yes. Sorry I always think of that as 2 years, but it doesn't make sense when I say it. LOL.

 

[N_Corey]

Changing the waiting period isn’t going to have much of an effect on draw odds. It’s only taking a small percentage of people out of the pool.

 

[Outdoordan]

If draw odds are, let's say 9% across the board for all bull elk (rifle), and let's say there are 39,000 applicants, that means theoretically:
Year 1: 35,500 applicants vying for 3,500 tags (assumes tag numbers don't change, and number of applicants don't change)
Year 2: 32,000 applicants vying for 3,500 tags (" ")
Year 3: 28,500 applicants vying for 3,500 tags (" ")
Year 4: 25,000 applicants vying for 3,500 tags (" ")
Year 5: 21,500 applicants vying for 3,500 tags (" ")
So, odds have changed (theoretically) from 9% to 16% which is almost doubling odds.
BTW- I used just the first roughly 45 rifle tags.

 

[shootem]

You think? What if let’s say you are putting in for a unit that takes, oh I don’t know 5-8 points to draw, mid tier unit let’s say. I draw that tag 2 maybe 3 times in my life. Then let’s say this same tag is a 8% draw in the random. Maybe draw 5 times in my life, or maybe I never draw. I’ll take the guaranteed 2 times over the random 0 to 5 any day.

You have to figure in point creep. At first the tag might take 5-8 points to draw but then it will take max points at some time. I’m two points behind max points in Wyoming and have yet to draw a tag because of point creep.

 

[Ultimag]

The roll out of the 2021 non-res fees couldn't have been worse timing. The break down for a NR:

$185 non-refundable license.
$2,626.75 tag fee fronted.
$45.75 non-refundable application fee.
Processing fee is 3% of the total transaction at check out + $3.50. Processing fee unavoidable, phone or online doesn't matter.

$319.98 total non-refundable for minuscule odds. Before credit card interest if you go that route.

I don't apply for MSG, so please correct me if I'm off somewhere.

Assuming you don't draw and want to hunt OTC archery elk. Tack on the new $81.75 archery permit and the $651.75 elk tag. $1,053.48.

Even at $1,053.48 there is certainly still value, no doubt. Especially with the quality of our archery elk hunting and rifle deer. In comparison with MT

No comparison MOntana defineatly has idaho beat in qaunity and quality of elk, hands, down Idaho isn't even close,.there, are more trophy class, elk killed in montana in the first week of thier season then idaho in a MOnth.
Idaho has a, slight edge in quality of mule deer
But over the last couple yrs montana, has, gained ground
Imo montana, has better and bigger whitetail deer (I live in Idaho(33 yrs) but I hunt both here and montana, every year

 

[JPickett]

This is my first year hunting in Idaho, may be my last!

that's what we like to hear!!

no need to worry about the "lost revenue" BS all this e non rez tags will get bought up by guys like me who don't care what they cost.

 

[OLDHORNHUNTER]

The fees are just the start of the Crying to come !!! No one has even looked at the 2021 tag reductions & Caps . Sent in in 2019 passed legislation 2020 effective 2021 ALL NR tags limited to 10% max for all general season units

 

[HUNTNNW]

The fees are just the start of the Crying to come !!! No one has even looked at the 2021 tag reductions & Caps . Sent in in 2019 passed legislation 2020 effective 2021 ALL NR tags limited to 10% max for all general season units

that fixes jack #$*&.. the real problem is RESIDENTS

 

[hornguy]

The fees are just the start of the Crying to come !!! No one has even looked at the 2021 tag reductions & Caps . Sent in in 2019 passed legislation 2020 effective 2021 ALL NR tags limited to 10% max for all general season units

To start with I am a ID resident for decades. With that I am not sure where the #'s of 10% goes to nr in the general(otc). The state issues 14,000 nr deer tags each year. With that in mind does anyone think there are only 140,000 resident tags sold. Think it is easily twice that. We as residents reap the rewards of hunting ID every year for next to nothing. Would it be in our, the resources, interest to pay a little more to ensure that the great hunting opportunities continue to grow. I can buy a resident lic to fish and hunt, a deer tag and an elk tag for less than $100.00. Think we could pull our weight a little better than that. Everyone is a nr somewhere if you like to hunt. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Weiserbucks]

Doesn't matter, F&G gives our money to farmers, not sound game management.

 

[HUNTNNW]

complete BS if you think IDFG is over selling the quota! close to 40K new resident hunters in the last 20 years there is the problem

 

[Globalhunter]

No comparison MOntana defineatly has idaho beat in qaunity and quality of elk, hands, down Idaho isn't even close,.there, are more trophy class, elk killed in montana in the first week of thier season then idaho in a MOnth.
Idaho has a, slight edge in quality of mule deer
But over the last couple yrs montana, has, gained ground
Imo montana, has better and bigger whitetail deer (I live in Idaho(33 yrs) but I hunt both here and montana, every year

I'm not so sure about the elk thing...I've hunted a couple of pretty good areas in MT, including 690, and I've not seen the quality of bulls I've seen / hunted / killed in Idaho since 2018.

 

[Drnaln]

Residents will just pick up the unsold Non-resident deer tags & another Forkie or young 4 point will die. Great management

 

[shootem]

Residents will just pick up the unsold Non-resident deer tags & another Forkie or young 4 point will die. Great management

Maybe... I am a non resident but have friends and family who are residents. They are good hunters who tell me the deer are struggling in Idaho. The residents can’t shoot what is not there.
I think residents will get what they were begging for, less non resident hunters because it will get to the point where non residents say to themselves; the price increase just isn’t worth what Idaho has to offer. If the hunting were better, I could see a justified price increase. As for me, Idaho will not see a dime from me. Hope the residents can shoot the buck/bull of their dreams without the competition from us non residents.

 

[OLDHORNHUNTER]

To start with I am a ID resident for decades. With that I am not sure where the #'s of 10% goes to nr in the general(otc). The state issues 14,000 nr deer tags each year. With that in mind does anyone think there are only 140,000 resident tags sold. Think it is easily twice that. We as residents reap the rewards of hunting ID every year for next to nothing. Would it be in our, the resources, interest to pay a little more to ensure that the great hunting opportunities continue to grow. I can buy a resident lic to fish and hunt, a deer tag and an elk tag for less than $100.00. Think we could pull our weight a little better than that. Everyone is a nr somewhere if you like to hunt. Jus

The 10% is per unit so if I read it correctly say for Sh7ts & Giggles there were 2500 NR tags sold for unit 39 over the past 5 years . The cap would be no more than 250 tags allocated for that unit for the 2021 season . I also completely agree that F&G needs to REDUCE the # of tags across the state for Residents as well. The hunter #s keep going up every year the game #s Down , makes no sense to keep doling out unlimited tags for units that are hurting for herd #s

 

[Ultimag]

Maybe... I am a non resident but have friends and family who are residents. They are good hunters who tell me the deer are struggling in Idaho. The residents can’t shoot what is not there.
I think residents will get what they were begging for, less non resident hunters because it will get to the point where non residents say to themselves; the price increase just isn’t worth what Idaho has to offer. If the hunting were better, I could see a justified price increase. As for me, Idaho will not see a dime from me. Hope the residents can shoot the buck/bull of their dreams without the competition from us non residents.

Lol the only way the residents, are gonna, shoot thier DREAM BULL is, a, non resident tag in Montana, wyoming Utah or Arizona,
dream buck in Idaho extremely possible.
But the quality of elk in Idaho doesn't come close to surrounding states

 

[Ultimag]

But I will agree idahos price increase, Just brings it inine with surrounding states and it holds some seriously big deer both muley's, and whitetails
The reason idaho is, so over run with non resident hunters is because it's one of the last states,for otc elk & deer and until this price increase it was, the cheapest the increase alone will thin out the mobs

 

[Ultimag]

Also the crying about the archery and muzzleloader permits is crazy since this is one of the only states that you can actually hunt multiple seasons with the same tag.

You can do the same in montana

 

[Ultimag]

Not worth it if you don’t do a general hunt of some sort.

ID elk hunting > MT elk hunting.

Lots of private land in MT that the elk flock to once the hunting starts. ID you can actually find huntable elk on public land. That alone makes the ID elk tag fee worth it in my mind. MT is a rip off if you are the public land hunter.

You can find, quality elk on public ground in. Montana, not as, hard as everyone makes it sound I do it every year

 

[Ultimag]

Imo this is just the idaho residents pissed because they were not able to get a, second tag,
Because they sold out to non residents
100% pure greed
Fine cut the number of non residents and tags
but Take those tags, out completely make it so not even Residence can get them
You can't rebuild game numbers if your killing just as many animals without the same amount of hunters.
, complain about low game numbers being the result of to Many non residence, or idahos, favorite the wolves killed all the game but still want to be able to purchase a, second tag.
90% of those complaining about game populations, are those that hunt from the front seat of thier vehicle or a spotlight
Idaho has the 3rd largest elk herd in the lower 48
Within 2,yrs it will surpass montana, for #of elk
It's, almost there now

 

[OLDHORNHUNTER]

Imo this is just the idaho residents pissed because they were not able to get a, second tag,
Because they sold out to non residents
100% pure greed
Fine cut the number of non residents and tags
but Take those tags, out completely make it so not even Residence can get them
You can't rebuild game numbers if your killing just as many animals without the same amount of hunters.
, complain about low game numbers being the result of to Many non residence, or idahos, favorite the wolves killed all the game but still want to be able to purchase a, second tag.
90% of those complaining about game populations, are those that hunt from the front seat of thier vehicle or a spotlight
Idaho has the 3rd largest elk herd in the lower 48
Within 2,yrs it will surpass montana, for #of elk
It's, almost there now

I have lived in Idaho most of my life, 15 years ago I could go into any of my regular hunting spots & see 10 to 12 bucks a day. The same areas now your lucky to even see a deer, I have seen the deer & elk herds go from banner to bust. YES I agree with your comment 100% residents should NOT be allowed to buy the leftover tags Period !! And there should be a max 1 animal allowed per resident per year, the ones that are going to suffer are all the young hunters!! If they keep at the open season open tags Bull **** there will be NO animals for anyone !!

 

[shootem]

I have lived in Idaho most of my life, 15 years ago I could go into any of my regular hunting spots & see 10 to 12 bucks a day. The same areas now your lucky to even see a deer, I have seen the deer & elk herds go from banner to bust. YES I agree with your comment 100% residents should NOT be allowed to buy the leftover tags Period !! And there should be a max 1 animal allowed per resident per year, the ones that are going to suffer are all the young hunters!! If they keep at the open season open tags Bull **** there will be NO animals for anyone !!

But yet, the non residents are blamed for the lack of animals. Yet, here the non residents are forced to pay higher prices for the lack of game with no price increase to residents. Man, that is sound biology right there. The game and fish need to take the Whiney residents opinions with a grain of salt. The residents will however get what they wanted, and that is far fewer non residents hunting their coveted honey hole with still no game to be found. I wonder what the residents will blame the lack of game on next?

 

[OLDHORNHUNTER]

Bottom line is the people at Idaho F&G that set the seasons, tag allocations & harvest quotas are a bunch of F%*-ing Idiots !!! You can blame whoever you want resident or NR but neither sets the hunts to start with . 2016-17 wiped out easily over 50% of the deer herds in SW & Eastern ID then the 18 late winter put another major hit on them. But F&G still had the same seasons same amount of tags same NR quotas. It doesnt take a Rocket scientist to figure out if you have 50% less animals & 5% more hunters every year the herds are gonna continue to decline!! So yes if F&G cut the NR tags & reduced the resident tags by the same #s Idaho's deer & elk herds would have a chance to RECOVER !!! Take a peek at F&G's website & look at their comments on 2020 another BANNER year for hunting , then there is their statement about the dismal opening weekend check station #s SO WTF !! they dont have a clue !!!

 

[hornguy]

Actually there are the same amount of nr as ever. The quota for otc(general) deer tags has remained the same over the past few years. We just see more out in the hills now as this might be their only hunt of the year, not just a drive around to see if there is a meat deer. Not sure where mt is so great. Way TOO much private land, way too expensive for average deer and a double task to get drawn for a good unit. Yes there are some good deer and elk in mt but so does ID in the s and sw units. I have hunted mt before for both and did not see the attraction.

 

[Ultimag]

I have lived in Idaho most of my life, 15 years ago I could go into any of my regular hunting spots & see 10 to 12 bucks a day. The same areas now your lucky to even see a deer, I have seen the deer & elk herds go from banner to bust. YES I agree with your comment 100% residents should NOT be allowed to buy the leftover tags Period !! And there should be a max 1 animal allowed per resident per year, the ones that are going to suffer are all the young hunters!! If they keep at the open season open tags Bull **** there will be NO animals for anyone !!

to many people are hung up in the good old glory days, maybe we should have spent some time back in the good old days concentrating on the very issues, we are now faceing.
But like anything else we tend to kick the can down the road as long as it doesn't directly affect us or issues we, are involved in until
It suddenly does just like it is here and now

 

[JPickett]

Boy 90% of this thread is a bunch on non residents crying about regulations made to benefit residents of Idaho. Cry me a river, you don’t have to hunt here. So don’t

 

[Obsession Outdoors]

You can find, quality elk on public ground in. Montana, not as, hard as everyone makes it sound I do it every year

I agree most people just aren't willing to do what it takes that goes for every other western state as well

 

[DeerMadness]

Bottom line is the people at Idaho F&G that set the seasons, tag allocations & harvest quotas are a bunch of F%*-ing Idiots !!! You can blame whoever you want resident or NR but neither sets the hunts to start with . 2016-17 wiped out easily over 50% of the deer herds in SW & Eastern ID then the 18 late winter put another major hit on them. But F&G still had the same seasons same amount of tags same NR quotas. It doesnt take a Rocket scientist to figure out if you have 50% less animals & 5% more hunters every year the herds are gonna continue to decline!! So yes if F&G cut the NR tags & reduced the resident tags by the same #s Idaho's deer & elk herds would have a chance to RECOVER !!! Take a peek at F&G's website & look at their comments on 2020 another BANNER year for hunting , then there is their statement about the dismal opening weekend check station #s SO WTF !! they dont have a clue !!!

Lol, some units like unit 67 were wiped out in the 2008 winter and wolves added to that. It never recovered in 13 years. Hard to find a decent buck or even smaller bucks. Soda Springs is also terrible and mostly does.

 

[El Gringo]

Hunted deer in Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, and Arizona. Multiple times in each state, and they all have a dreaded “point” system of some sort. I’ve never once draw a tag in Idaho, and its not like I’m not putting in for the hardest to draw tags. 10% odds of drawing type stuff. 15+ years of putting in and nothing. Some positives of points- There are plenty of decent tags around the west that you can draw with very few points. It’s also nice as a non resident to having a good idea to knowing when you might draw a tag just for logistics alone. The money I fork out each year for a application fee gets me something for my investment. Your kids aren’t going to draw an unit 40 rut tag in their lifetime regardless of points. A 50/50 split would be ideal in my opinion. The lucky are still going to find a rabbits foot and draw a tag, but it gives the unlucky like myself a chance to get a good tag if I pay my dues and draw with my points. I’m not trying to argue, just making my case why a point system is attractive to me.

Completely agree…. We may be the only 2 in the west, but I’m with you.

 

[Cooper]

To start with I am a ID resident for decades. With that I am not sure where the #'s of 10% goes to nr in the general(otc). The state issues 14,000 nr deer tags each year. With that in mind does anyone think there are only 140,000 resident tags sold. Think it is easily twice that. We as residents reap the rewards of hunting ID every year for next to nothing. Would it be in our, the resources, interest to pay a little more to ensure that the great hunting opportunities continue to grow. I can buy a resident lic to fish and hunt, a deer tag and an elk tag for less than $100.00. Think we could pull our weight a little better than that. Everyone is a nr somewhere if you like to hunt. Just my 2 cents.

Smartest reply I have read from an Idaho resident ever!!!!