Short and heavy!!! Found this buck the last week of June and I was in love. I could never tell how tall he was from where I'd glass him. All I knew is some looks he looked giant others he looked tiny. All I knew is that he was heavy!! I glassed him up the second day of the hunt and the stalk was on. I was able to get to 30 yards of the herd. I got busted and they ran up the hill to check me out. The buck stopped at 105 and I let him have it. On this unit the goats are extremly skitish and I never thought I'd get this close. It was an awesome experience and one hell of a stalk.