I would like to throw out a thought in refrence to a previous post I made. I noticed this year while hunting in Utah there seems to be a serious problem. I'm used to hunting in NM where it is most definitely possible to get away from the crowds even with 3 fold more tags per acre as compared to Utah. Do we get to hunt mature bulls every year in NM? No, I've only drawn 2 tags in 23 years of applying and one was basically a general season type of tag I guess you could say. Point is that Utah is completely over run with pressure, not hunters, during the LE elk hunts. Do I think there are too many tags? No way! I noticed that on average most utah tag holders had at least 15 people out helping them to find a bull. There were some camps that had over 50 people in them to help find one bull. How many bulls are going to be completely pushed out of the rut by the sheer amount of pressure people are putting on them? I'm sure a lot. What can be done? I say treat LE as if they were the quality areas they are suppose to be. In NM when you draw an oryx tag you are given authorization to only take so many people with you. On the valles caldera hunt you are again only allowed to take "x" amount of people with you on that elk hunt. How would this work? I say give authorizations to hunters, say 5 for each hunter to give to their friends. Anyone found off the roads without an authorization would be fined $500. Basically close the forest and only allow authorized personell to be in there. Wouldn't work you say. NM does it every year to our national forests when the fire danger is too high. So why not do this for a week during hunting season? It could be done, has been done in other states, and can work. However, I'm sure most utards wanna say they have the cards stacked against them and that its an unfair advantage and that the guy with 2 hired guys is cheating and that they need to have 20x more people on the mountain to make it kinda fair which still isn't fair because for some reason if you pay someone to guide you that makes them 100x more successful at finding and killing big animals. Just my two cents.