schoolhousegrizz
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I have not been vaccinated. I have been open-minded. I am leaning more towards getting it, but still very very unsure. Are you glad you did it, would you do it again. Are you getting the booster?
About 3% of people who receive both doses of MMR will still get measles if exposed to the virus. Herd immunity is what keeps it from spreading because almost everybody has received MMR.I was under the impression vaccinations prevented the illness they were intended for. For example I’ve never had measles, much less died from it
I just happen to know three people in the 3% huh? What are those odds. Also know of 3 co workers fully vaccinated that went out with Covid. But since I’ve no personal relationship left it out of the requested response for the thread. So that makes 6 in my preview of the “3%”... getting more unlikely. You can believe what ever our house plant in chief tells you but I’ll believe my eyesAbout 3% of people who receive both doses of MMR will still get measles if exposed to the virus. Herd immunity is what keeps it from spreading because almost everybody has received MMR.
That 3% is not dissimilar to the effectiveness of the COVID vaccines in fighting the original Alpha strain. Sadly, the Delta strain is better at beating the vaccine. However, we know with millions of doses administered that a person is still less likely to get Delta if they're vaccinated than if they're not. They're also less likely to be hospitalized and die.
Nobody who knows what they're talking about has ever said that ANY vaccine is 100% effective. Vaccines rely on an immune response that certain individuals just don't respond to. It's not a guarantee, just greatly improves your odds.
You misread my post. The 3% clearly referenced measles as I was quoting your measles comparison.I just happen to know three people in the 3% huh? What are those odds. Also know of 3 co workers fully vaccinated that went out with Covid. But since I’ve no personal relationship left it out of the requested response for the thread. So that makes 6 in my preview of the “3%”... getting more unlikely. You can believe what ever our house plant in chief tells you but I’ll believe my eyes
Ditto....Not yet. Im not against vaccines but, I am against rushing one through without the proper testing and trials for the sole purpose of political capital. That is what we are seeing now, widespread testing on the sheeple…. I will wait, not sure how long but when I DECIDE it’s safe to do so.
Ditto....
Yes, I had Covid over Thanksgiving last November. I haven't so much as had a simple cold since, I am not vaccinated.Didn't you already have Wuhan? In your case I'd probably agree,
I had to get all these shots but at the time I didn't even think of whether I had moral objections to them. Didn't even know what they were sticking in my body. I didn't want the anthrax but had to get it to deploy. The one that really sucked was the peanut butter shot. Not fun.............Pitzer did get FDA approval last week and Moderna is next.
How many guys here on this site were in the Armed Forces and how many shots or vaccines did you get before you were shipped out to another country. I saw a list recently and there are so many that it is hard to believe that after that one would have an issue with this vaccine.
Is this different?
I remember Polio in the third grade and one of my friends getting it because her Mother didn't get her the vaccine. She still walks crooked to this day.
Your life your decision
Yes, I had Covid over Thanksgiving last November. I haven't so much as had a simple cold since, I am not vaccinated.
I am still on the fence with this whole thing ?
Fully un vaccinated here. Living a normal life since this started. Traveled to Mexico with my family in April. Go where I want, do what I want. We need to collectively remember that folks. You are for the time being still free men. Vaccinated or notI was fully vaccinated in March (Moderna) and had no side effects. Since then I have been able to live a normal life again getting together with friends and family. We are starting to travel again in January and I plan on getting the booster.
Personally, I don't think it matters. I think they all work about the same.Which one is the best shot to get ?
Starting to think that those who have been vaccinated with zero issues were the ones that would have had little to zero issues if they had caught the bug naturally...I haven't got it ! Still on the fence. Not sure about the vaccine ? My sister in law got the shot, Now her arm that she got the shot in is swollen twice the size of her other one. I guess they call it covid lim. After months they think it happen because she is a cancer survivor. I guess it has happen to a couple hundred thousand people. Feeling a lot of pressure to get it from others and know that the FDA approval. Both of my 80 year old parents got the shot. They seem to have taken it okay. But if you did get it. Which one is the best shot to get ?
You know when politics is involved when the statement "follow the science" is used and you know emotion is involved when "what right do you have to..." is used.I got both doses of the Pfizer shot back in January - glad I did and have had no issues. The entire COVID situation and the vaccine are such a hot button topic that it is hard to separate the emotion and politics from hard facts. The bottom line is that those on the front lines see the reality-unvaccinated patients are the ones dying and really struggling.
I do find it funny the guys that come on here or in real life and have this chip on their shoulder about the government suggesting anyone do anything. It's really not that big of a deal and you can still be that pretend badass after you get it, if you so choose.
Born and raised in SE NM. I understand your point. But it is not mandated for most at this point. Still just a suggestion.The reality of gov't telling you to do something isn't to terribly funny when you are in a state that has unbridled control on the very lives of people.
KLG in NM for instance. The coercion used is get tested weekly on your own time and on your own dime, or get the shot. So, either way, you are being told to do something. Also, had this whole situation not be used as a political tool from the start, this wouldn't be the debacle it now is. That is where the "bad-ass" behavior comes from...
follow the science from the group telling us men can get pregnant...You know when politics is involved when the statement "follow the science" is used and you know emotion is involved when "what right do you have to..." is used.
And finding evidence of a single cell on Mars proves life on Mars, but aborting babies is not a life.follow the science from the group telling us men can get pregnant...
I work with animals for a living. having an unvaccinated herd is like playing Russian roulette and inexcusable in my opinion. Sooner or later something is gonna get them and you will wish you’d spent a few bucks on vaccine.
Why would people be different?
Get the vaccine and get on with your life!
Born and raised in SE NM. I understand your point. But it is not mandated for most at this point. Still just a suggestion.
selfless decision, love the hint of moral superiority here. is this selfless decision with out any risk? i think not. great you guys chose to get vaccinated. hope you respect my decision and my right to decide not to.Getting vaccinated against Covid is a selfless decision that protects you and those around you.
Wow that great that YOU didn't have any problems with it. I just hope the people you may have passed it on to, all feel the same way when they end up on the slab .Last couple of weeks had covid delta v. The doctors at medical where I work said after I get past this, I will have the best immunity I could possibly have. The guy was actually congratulating me on testing positive. Made me feel pretty good about my choice!
If only it were that simply. Reasonable argument to be made that it will better protect you from death due to the current variants. Also reasonable argument to made that it does nothing to protect those around you but rather the contrary and that it may be harming you and others in the long run.Getting vaccinated against Covid is a selfless decision that protects you and those around you.
This individual is an expert. Interesting read and I encourage all to read it and use it to help better understand where we find ourselves in regards to Covid. Ultimately getting vaccinated is a personal decision and I feel no admiration or anger for anyone regardless of their choice.One last comment. I am not an expert in infectious disease, and I am not an epidemiologist. I am also not an expert in many other fields.
You are absolutely correct that every medical procedure carries an inherent degree of risk. Your primary care provider is best situated to help you weigh the risks relative to you as an individual. They can review your medical history and help you determine if you are a candidate for vaccination or conclude that there are risk factors that are unacceptable given your specific situation.selfless decision, love the hint of moral superiority here. is this selfless decision with out any risk? i think not. great you guys chose to get vaccinated. hope you respect my decision and my right to decide not to.
Sure we respect your right. How about you respect our right not get the virus from you because you didn't take the shot.selfless decision, love the hint of moral superiority here. is this selfless decision with out any risk? i think not. great you guys chose to get vaccinated. hope you respect my decision and my right to decide not to.
Again, I would advise you to look for consensus amongst experts. The veterinarian that you are referencing does have a degree in virology but a quick perusal of his posts demonstrate that he is advising against all mass vaccinations. He is clearly an outlier in this field of study. How many people do you know with smallpox, measles or polio? The data clearly shows that we have been able to control many infectious diseases through mass vaccination programs.If only it were that simply. Reasonable argument to be made that it will better protect you from death due to the current variants. Also reasonable argument to made that it does nothing to protect those around you but rather the contrary and that it may be harming you and others in the long run.
This individual is an expert. Interesting read and I encourage all to read it and use it to help better understand where we find ourselves in regards to Covid. Ultimately getting vaccinated is a personal decision and I feel no admiration or anger for anyone regardless of their choice.
C-19 Pandemia: Quo vadis, homo sapiens?
As of the early days of the mass vaccination campaigns, at least a few experts have been warning against the catastrophic impact such a program could have on global and individual health. Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape...www.geertvandenbossche.org
what exactly makes you think vaccinated individuals cannot transmit covid? if there such a thng as break through cases which is universally accepted as far as i can see then a vaccinated individual can be a carrier and transmit the disease . get off your high horse. you dont belong there because you got a shotSure we respect your right. How about you respect our right not get the virus from you because you didn't take the shot.
2 way street on the respect issue.
Me I took the shots after I had it the 1st time, because we spend alot time on jobsite dealing with LOTS of people I sure don't want to catch it again or spread to someone if I do get it again.
Thinking you're bullet proof(LOL) it might not kill ya the second time around(next variant) BUT you can still get it and pass it to family and friends.
You can still get Covid from folks who are vaccinated. lolSure we respect your right. How about you respect our right not get the virus from you because you didn't take the shot.
what is the history of success with vaccines against corona viruses?Again, I would advise you to look for consensus amongst experts. The veterinarian that you are referencing does have a degree in virology but a quick perusal of his posts demonstrate that he is advising against all mass vaccinations. He is clearly an outlier in this field of study. How many people do you know with smallpox, measles or polio? The data clearly shows that we have been able to control many infectious diseases through mass vaccination programs.
then i guess we dont respect each other enough to not give one another covid. nice to be equal againJP
It not a really high Horse, Yes you can get the virus from people who has have the shots. BUT the odds do drop if you have taking the shots of catching it again.
Been in a room where several guys came down with it in June.
I didn't get it again so maybe I was just lucky or maybe the shots worked for me.
Yes I bet before it all said and done their will be several Variant of this virus Just about like the flu. The Flu we have now isn't like the flu of the 60's.My co-workers wife who works in the ER said a lot of nurses are coming down with covid and they are all vaccinated.
so you only "respect my decision" if I've consulted with a doctor? i suppose that's your prerogative but i still contend every individual has the right to make decision for them selves. and i will always respect that. my government should as wellYou are absolutely correct that every medical procedure carries an inherent degree of risk. Your primary care provider is best situated to help you weigh the risks relative to you as an individual. They can review your medical history and help you determine if you are a candidate for vaccination or conclude that there are risk factors that are unacceptable given your specific situation.
If you have counseled with your PCP and they have advised you against Covid vaccination, then I respect your decision not to do so. However, if you have come to this conclusion without consulting with experts. I would implore you to schedule a consult and see what they advise.
Excellent question. There is still limited data regarding the efficacy of vaccines in controlling the spread of this particular corona virus. Certainly we are seeing instances of breakthrough infection and these folks have the ability to transmit infection to others. Over the next year we will be able to track the spread of infection amongst populations with low vaccination rates and compare it to areas of higher vaccination rates.what is the history of success with vaccines against corona viruses?
Funny how thousands of years of human history encountering viruses and bacteria that our immune system, as a whole, is suddenly not good enough to manufacture antibodies after it fights off an invading alien. I wouldn't get vaccinated if I were you, there is no point.
The talking heads will not recognize natural immunity after encountering this illness, even though SARS-2 is 70% in likeness (at least is was a year ago) to SARS-1 and people that had SARS-1 17 years ago still show antibodies to it...
We'll see.Again, I would advise you to look for consensus amongst experts. The veterinarian that you are referencing does have a degree in virology but a quick perusal of his posts demonstrate that he is advising against all mass vaccinations. He is clearly an outlier in this field of study. How many people do you know with smallpox, measles or polio? The data clearly shows that we have been able to control many infectious diseases through mass vaccination programs.
Well I'm headed out to get my shot. With that being said, I believe mandating this vaccine would be a huge mistake. That's only going to polarize people more. I also think those that don't get this shot have valid concerns. Also, I would never blame people getting sick on the unvaccinated. If you don't want to get sick, go get vaccinated and wear 10 masks! Leave others alone and let them do what they feel is best. Don't guilt Trip them or act as your Superior because you got the vaccine. It is a personal choice and one that's a very hard decision for many people.
I personally know 3 people in different households who have been reinfected in the last two weeks here in Vegas. All were unvaccinated. Just because you have already had Covid does not mean that you are immune to future infection. We will be getting booster shots as they become available.
Greater than 90% of the folks who are being admitted to hospitals right now are unvaccinated. Getting vaccinated against Covid does not guarantee that you cannot get infected in the future but the data so far indicates that vaccination from Pfizer and Moderna products significantly decreases the odds of developing severe symptoms following infection.
My sister lives in New Zealand and she is baffled at how this has become such a polarizing topic in the United States. New Zealand has followed the counsel from experts and have done a remarkable job at controlling infection rates.
not this particular one, after all historical on this one would be a stretch since it hasn't reached any where near a clinical time frame of any other vaccine in the history of vaccines. so no history in an ongoing experiment. i asked about the historical success of vaccines of corona viruses. theirs a reason there hasn't been one. they always fail when the next variant comes along to the vaccinated (and id bet you probably know that). like i dont know a delta variant. its never worked, it doesn't work now, its not working and people are unwilling participants in the largest experiment in human history. is just hoping that all works out really good enough? it isn't for me and my family. if theres some data in 7 years that proves a vaccine ill think about it. good luck to you ginnie pigsExcellent question. There is still limited data regarding the efficacy of vaccines in controlling the spread of this particular corona virus. Certainly we are seeing instances of breakthrough infection and these folks have the ability to transmit infection to others. Over the next year we will be able to track the spread of infection amongst populations with low vaccination rates and compare it to areas of higher vaccination rates.
So far, the data is showing that the severity of symptoms and medical costs associated with treatment of breakthrough Covid-19 infections are significantly lower amongst vaccinated. I have posted the links and titles to three recent studies. I am sure we will all be learning a lot more in the next year as new data becomes available. The third study I linked to is out of Michigan and is currently awaiting peer review. It would seem that even if Covid vaccination does not effectively stamp out the spread of this particular virus we can be confident that vaccination will significantly decrease the cost of treating illness associated with this particular illness. Hope this helps. Have to get back to work.
BNT162b2 vaccine breakthrough: clinical characteristics of 152 fully vaccinated hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel
The mRNA coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines have shown high effectiveness in the prevention of symptomatic COVID-19, hospitalization, severe disease and death. Nevertheless, a minority of vaccinated individuals might become infected and experience ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.govBNT162b2 vaccine breakthrough: clinical characteristics of 152 fully vaccinated hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel
COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Blunt Breakthrough Infection Severity
People who become infected with SARS-CoV-2 after being vaccinated against it are likely to have milder and shorter illnesses, according to data from 2 ongoing studies funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.jamanetwork.comCOVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Blunt Breakthrough Infection Severity
Jennifer Abbasi
JAMA. 2021;326(6):473. doi:10.1001/jama.2021.12619
Vaccination reduces need for emergency care in breakthrough COVID-19 infections: A multicenter cohort study
Importance While recent literature has shown the efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccine in preventing infection, its impact on need for emergency care/hospitalization in breakthrough infections remain unclear, particularly in regions with a high rate of variant viral strains. Objective We aimed to...www.medrxiv.orgVaccination reduces need for emergency care in breakthrough COVID-19 infections: A multicenter cohort study
***This study is awaiting peer review
You should probably work on your spelling and grammar before you attempt to put others down. Shows you really aren’t as smart as you pretend to be.not this particular one, after all historical on this one would be a stretch since it hasn't reached any where near a clinical time frame of any other vaccine in the history of vaccines. so no history in an ongoing experiment. i asked about the historical success of vaccines of corona viruses. theirs a reason there hasn't been one. they always fail when the next variant comes along to the vaccinated. like i dont know a delta variant. its never worked, it doesn't work now, its not working and people are unwilling participants in the largest experiment in human history. is just hoping that all works out really good enough? it isn't for me and my family. if theres some data in 7 years that proves a vaccine ill think about it. good luck to you ginnie pigs
ah yes the lowest form of internet arguments. grammar and spell check. that's what you got out of that i don't think i'm the one with a questionable intelligenceYou should probably work on your spelling and grammar before you attempt to put others down. Shows you really aren’t as smart as you pretend to be.
But again, the vaccine is your choice. Nobody is forcing you to take it. Nobody here is convincing anyone one way or another. Just opinions.
It was the only thing to get out of your posts. You aren’t getting the vaccine. We get it. Nobody is forcing you to just like you won’t convince those of us that did, that we are wrong or “ginnie pigs.”ah yes the lowest form of internet arguments. grammar and spell check. that's what you got out of that i don't think i'm the one with a questionable intelligence
one guarantee in life is that anytime both sides of our political isle are in agreement were being lied to or screwed, and likely bothI have been vaccinated. Work pushed that a little but I felt at my age why not . I am not young and not in perfect health so I decided to be a good citizen, lol. Now there are a couple people I know who have nearly died from the vaccine. Others who have been vaccinated have spread covid since. One has been sick. Now they want to give boosters ! What the hell ? I'm done with the vaccine s#!+. Trying to stop people from having any freedoms, pay or travel unless they vaccinate ?
We've been had...
Can they even tell what what variant you got I heard they couldn’t yet ?My family is not vaxed. We just got over the delta V Monday. Personally know 1 guy that died within a week of getting first shot. We gave delta v to my father who is fully vaxed and he still got it and sicker than us for longer time period. He's looked like death warmed over for the last couple of weeks. Won't get the shot because I don't feel I should benefit from testing and development using murdered innocent babies. My opinion......
they re just going to call whatever they need to the next variant to fit in there narrative. frankly i don't believe anything that comes from the CDC or us government about any of this any more. and they did that, they lost our trust through there whole bullchit pandemic they've used to violate our republic. just like the FBI and CIA's actions during the last administration lost the entire public's trust. ill never believe a thing any of them say again. i'm not aloneCan they even tell what what variant you got I heard they couldn’t yet ?
"if the government can hold you down and put a needle in your arm you don't want what cant they do to you"This is not so much about my experience but good video to watch:
https://www.oann.com/saran-pentagons-decision-to-mandate-vaccines-possibly-illegal/
Here is the rub, people always have hindsight but you just don't know with this bug, or the fix....I didn’t get the vaccine. No particular reason, just kept putting it off. I’m now on day 13 covid. The first 5-6 days weren’t bad but it ramped up hard on day 7 and hasn’t let up much. I’ve never been so sick.
Right now, I don’t feel I’ll ever be the same person I was before.
Take it for what it’s worth, but I’d get the shot if I could have a do over.
Don't think so. I just know it's faucii's new one because I am already immune from the first one he came out with. Got the first one in the beginning of last year.Can they even tell what what variant you got I heard they couldn’t yet ?
I had the 1st covid last year and just had the delta v. the 1st time was pretty bad. Took about a month to get over it. Seems like when the fever let up after about 2 weeks I was just tired and slept a lot on the new one. Another family we know had the same experience as we did. They are good to go now. Good thing because both families have muley hunts next week!I didn’t get the vaccine. No particular reason, just kept putting it off. I’m now on day 13 covid. The first 5-6 days weren’t bad but it ramped up hard on day 7 and hasn’t let up much. I’ve never been so sick.
Right now, I don’t feel I’ll ever be the same person I was before.
Take it for what it’s worth, but I’d get the shot if I could have a do over.
"Your life your decision". And that, my friend, is where the disconnect is happening.Pitzer did get FDA approval last week and Moderna is next.
How many guys here on this site were in the Armed Forces and how many shots or vaccines did you get before you were shipped out to another country. I saw a list recently and there are so many that it is hard to believe that after that one would have an issue with this vaccine.
Is this different?
I remember Polio in the third grade and one of my friends getting it because her Mother didn't get her the vaccine. She still walks crooked to this day.
Your life your decision
BINGO!!!!! What ever happend to fauci's email on funding the wuhan lab?they re just going to call whatever they need to the next variant to fit in there narrative. frankly i don't believe anything that comes from the CDC or us government about any of this any more. and they did that, they lost our trust through there whole bullchit pandemic they've used to violate our republic. just like the FBI and CIA's actions during the last administration lost the entire public's trust. ill never believe a thing any of them say again. i'm not alone
I had 18 days of hell so you're getting close to being back on your feet.I didn’t get the vaccine. No particular reason, just kept putting it off. I’m now on day 13 covid. The first 5-6 days weren’t bad but it ramped up hard on day 7 and hasn’t let up much. I’ve never been so sick.
Right now, I don’t feel I’ll ever be the same person I was before.
Take it for what it’s worth, but I’d get the shot if I could have a do over.