What a horrible idea

Founder

Founder Since 1999

RELH

Long Time Member
Combining those two for the White house would be combining a spline less jelly fish with a narcissistic liar.

RELH
 

Servehim

Very Active Member
Who would be the step up,? Pier Deleco, or stop and frisk Mike?
Romney is an embarrassment to Utah, he fooled you guys . Bloomberg apologizing for stop/question/ frisk is an embarrassment to NY. He is in effect stating the return to 2500 murders/ yr in NY is acceptable in order to continue the correct PC status in the Democratic party. Trump is going to steam roll the field Founder..KAG
 

hawkbill

Active Member
It’s to late Bernie is on a roll, why mess around with Mitt And Mike when you can dive right into Socialism!
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
Founder just can't figure out the fact Romney is a member of the uniparty designed to take us to the new world order. So him runnig with a dem is a natural fit just like NVJim predicted! Just reflect back how the GOP had control of both houses and very little got done. The antitrumpers were in control and driving the wagon. Ryan was a big part of the reason things stalled in Congress. Trump was facing resistance within his own party and the plot to remove him was in full swing. Founder clearly never could grasp the big picture with his hatred of Trump. The fact Trump's going to save this nation from socialism is still clearly lost on him.

Imagine founder's antichrist is actually going to be our savior......the irony is thick isn't it.....In spite of all his faults......he's going down as a great president in the history books because of what he's doing for the people not against them....old founder, in his wisdom suffers from the effects of myopia and clearly can't see the forest thru the trees. Don't worry founder Trump's going to do what's right for you in spite of all his faults and in the end your hatred can still burn bright. I don't see you supporting socialism so at some point you'll have to admit old Trump managed to do something right.......ain't America great!!
 

Founder

Founder Since 1999
I just can’t support such a cheater, liar, corrupt person. I can’t overlook his immorality.
Even if it is him making me lots of dough in the market, he can’t make me rich enough to ever accept him.
I’ve been waiting 4 years for you guys, Trump himself, or Fox News to give me something to convince me I’m wrong. Nothing yet!!!
It was great to see Romney stand up for his beliefs instead of cave to Trump. My good neighbor has been kissing Trumps butt for 4 years, and boy did that workout well. One Mussolini comment 4 years ago negates his years of support of Trump, all the while knowing what a nasty person Trump is. That’s Trump. Everything is about him, our country comes secondary.
 
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Boskee

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So then given what's coming that suggests you would support socialism for our country. And don't give me the I won't vote dodge when in reality that's a vote for socialism indirectly not against it. So I guess you managed to paint yourself into a corner didn't you? Your ideals are about as flawed as your logic but then we both know you're not above a little exploitation when it suits your purpose...... so spare us the morals lecture........... We're all flawed and Mitt Romney has put more people out of work to feather his own bed than just about any venture capitalist on the planet......... See even old Mitt exploits folks when it suits his purpose..........and yet Trumps the only sinner.......LOL
 

Stonefly

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Founder, you made the comment , that your making money thanks to Trump, do you spend that money on yourself, family, ect. OR do you stand by your principals and donate it to someones campain who is running against Trump. Im sure, as a highly principeled guy, you wouldnt compumise them, and use the money, right.
 

Founder

Founder Since 1999
Founder, you made the comment , that your making money thanks to Trump, do you spend that money on yourself, family, ect. OR do you stand by your principals and donate it to someones campain who is running against Trump. Im sure, as a highly principeled guy, you wouldnt compumise them, and use the money, right.
Did you donate all your years of pay while Obama was in office? Or were you an Obama supporter?
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
You know in all this founders never really condemned the dems actions with the fake Russia Collusion Investigation. Why not? After all founder corruption and lies work both ways don't they, and committing fraud isn't a righteous act either. So founder it's time to tell us that you think, on what the dems did was clearly wrong too?

Since you want to stand on the pulpit of righteousness all offenses should matter. They lied, cheated, attacked innocent people, beared false witness, wasted millions from the taxpayers to investigate a known false claim, in the eyes of god and against our people, all to promote a fraudulent action as proven by the IG report. So founder it's time to set the record straight on whether the dems actions IYO were justified and right. We all know where you stand on Trump not let's see where you stand on those who perpetrated a crime on the American people and Donald Trump.
 

Founder

Founder Since 1999
Someone else did something bad, so it’s ok for Trump....right? I must love Trump cause someone else did something I don’t approve of. Makes no sense.
I’ll give you this, compared to someone like Hitler, Trump is the greatest President in history of the universe. There!! You can tell everyone that I said Trump is the greatest ever.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
What's wrong you keep evading the question don't you. Why can't you answer the question honestly. What they did to this country is far worse yet you can't admit they lied, cheated, committed crimes and conducted a false investigation they knew was wrong from day 1, all to cause harm to the American people and Trump. In reality they committed their crimes on millions and millions of Americans over more than 3 years seems like you could admit it since it's been proven in the IG report.........Seems like you're being a bit hypocritical doesn't it after all Orange man is one guy, they used a cast of thousands........to perpetrate their fraud........doesn't seem equal does it? Come on founder man up or admit your bias is deeper that your real sense of justice and fairness, It would appear to most of us you're more concerned with being disingenuous rather than honest about what the dems really did.......
 
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Founder

Founder Since 1999
What's wrong you keep evading the question don't you. Why can't you answer the question honestly. What they did to this country is far worse yet you can't admit they lied, cheated, committed crimes and conducted a false investigation they knew was wrong from day 1, all to cause harm to the American people and Trump. In reality they committed their crimes on millions and millions of Americans over more than 3 years seems like you could admit it since it's been proven in the IG report.........Seems like you're being a bit hypocritical doesn't it after all Orange man is one guy, they used a cast of thousands........to perpetrate their fraud........doesn't seem equal does it? Come on founder man up or admit your bias is deeper that your real sense of justice and fairness, It would appear to most of us you're more concerned with being disingenuous rather than honest about what the dems really did.......
I really don’t know what you’re looking for, but I’ve told you my opinion of Trump. You can ask me my opinion of Democratics, goofy, hitler or whomever, but it doesn’t change my opinion of Trump at all. And I don’t forgive immorality because others are doing it too.
 

Stonefly

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Founder obummer didnt make me a dime, I never claimed he did. He taxes the $hit out of me. Made materials I use to make my living more expensive. Ruined my healthcare. Increased my energy costs and fuel costs. Trump has put in regulations that have lowered many of my costs, and his tax cut for the rich, has put an average of $81.00 per week in my checks. I didnt know rich was 55-60K. Obummer can kiss my a$$. And I have donated to the Republican party. $100 bucks I know it laughable, but I did it. To shut up a libtard in a fishing group im in.
 

Founder

Founder Since 1999
Founder obummer didnt make me a dime, I never claimed he did. He taxes the $hit out of me. Made materials I use to make my living more expensive. Ruined my healthcare. Increased my energy costs and fuel costs. Trump has put in regulations that have lowered many of my costs, and his tax cut for the rich, has put an average of $81.00 per week in my checks. I didnt know rich was 55-60K. Obummer can kiss my a$$. And I have donated to the Republican party. $100 bucks I know it laughable, but I did it. To shut up a libtard in a fishing group im in.
Ok, you guys win. Just pretend I like Trump and you’ll feel better. Yippeee! ATrump, Trump! Dems bad, Trump great.
 

Stonefly

Very Active Member
I wasnt trying to win anything. And I dont feel that if a dem is an A$$ it justifies Trump being an A$$. My point is If a politition does something I belive is good for the country, and keeps doing more and more that i agree with, I am not looking the other way at the $hitty things they have done, Im looking past the $hitty things, to what I beleive betters our country. I toss examples of things to make a point, yes, often, but some just ignore facts. I compair things, gender neutral bathrooms and coservative judges you know things like that, and I have opinions of what I feel is best for our country. All the Dems have said they would give health car to illegals, all have said they support gun control. My thoughts are keep aliens out, dont give them a penny, and I love the Trump plan, no immigrants that will need to live on government handouts .period. no migrating here when you 65, just to be signed up for sicial securety and handouts. I also belive "Shall not be infringed" should be defined by the Supream Court, just that paticulare phrase. And if its found that it means Shall not be infringed then all gunlaws restricting citizens gun RIGHTS be immediatly abolished.
 

RELH

Long Time Member
Have you noticed that founder still is evading the question about calling out the Dems for their illegal actions and out right lies. If I had to guess, founder is loyal to the Democratic party and will speak no evil against them. Just might be a socialist in the closet.

RELH
 

Founder

Founder Since 1999
I wasnt trying to win anything. And I dont feel that if a dem is an A$$ it justifies Trump being an A$$. My point is If a politition does something I belive is good for the country, and keeps doing more and more that i agree with, I am not looking the other way at the $hitty things they have done, Im looking past the $hitty things, to what I beleive betters our country. I toss examples of things to make a point, yes, often, but some just ignore facts. I compair things, gender neutral bathrooms and coservative judges you know things like that, and I have opinions of what I feel is best for our country. All the Dems have said they would give health car to illegals, all have said they support gun control. My thoughts are keep aliens out, dont give them a penny, and I love the Trump plan, no immigrants that will need to live on government handouts .period. no migrating here when you 65, just to be signed up for sicial securety and handouts. I also belive "Shall not be infringed" should be defined by the Supream Court, just that paticulare phrase. And if its found that it means Shall not be infringed then all gunlaws restricting citizens gun RIGHTS be immediatly abolished.
And that’s a good way to look at it all. I do the same, the difference is I just don’t think the good he’s done is worthy of me looking past what I believe is corrupt, nasty and dishonest.

I’m not calling you wrong or dumb or anything for loving Trump. I may not understand it, but so what, it’s your view. I’m simply stating my opinion and view that Trump is a liar, corrupt and immoral and I can’t support someone I feel that way about.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
It's all right there in what founder clearly won't say. His opinion of Trump is fine we all give him that, but when he can't admit the dems committed numerous crimes against all American's with their sordid little soft coup and all the negative press it's quite telling. I don't give a damn about what his political party affiliation is, because frankly Founder didn't do any of it. What I do have an issue with is his refusal to admit the massive wrong doing the Dems committed against the American people for more than 3 years every single day 24/7. Those things aren't anything any person should condone because when we look the other way crimes like these become the norm and they compromise the legal principles this country was founded on.

When you start compromising right's and our legal system we all lose in the end. Washington has been corrupt for decades in both parties, it's up to us to hold them accountable for their actions not condone them because they abused the system for political gain and ruined lives in the process. When those that we elect to govern become lawless we as a society lose the power to control the process, not at all what this nation was founded upon. When we lose power , we the people become we the oppressed, and then those we used to elect become empowered to exert their will upon us, as the ruling class and change the rules to remain in power. If you can't understand why this matters founder, you're not as wise or as clever as you think you are, you're just another serf in their kingdom, at which point you're nothing but a ward of the state. They compromised your right's too and that's exactly why, you should be concerned but can't seem to grasp the reality of what they were trying to do, let alone comprehend why it's not something to take lightly.
 

roadrunner

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And that’s a good way to look at it all. I do the same, the difference is I just don’t think the good he’s done is worthy of me looking past what I believe is corrupt, nasty and dishonest.
Maybe doing this nation and the law of the land a huge favor with SCOTUS and other fed court appointments...
 

bigshotca

Active Member
Founder put your hatred of President Trump to the side for one question and please answer this question don’t deflect from it! Is there a single candidate that is running for President right now as in today that could go through three years off scrutiny from the fine bunch of democrats that you say are so morally grounded and still come out looking viable to be our next president? An honest answer please, try and get Trump out of your head for a minute a truthful response please.
 

Founder

Founder Since 1999
Honest answer, I have no clue. I'm not a political analyst, nor am I concerned with the hypothetical of someone else dealing with what Trump has. It wasn't democrats that made me feel as I do about Trump, it was Trump and the things he's said and done. He provides plenty of evidence to me for me to form my opinion that he's corrupt, a liar, immoral and someone I could never vote for.
 

JimNv

Active Member
I get why Brian doesn't like Trump. I wish he [Trump] would sometimes just shut the hell up with the sophomoric insults and wild-assed tweets. Even though not a politician, sometimes you have to be politic.

Did I vote for him, yes, but was hoping for more of a Ted Cruz ticket to be honest, though on reflection, I don't think Cruz could have won. When it came down to Hillary and Trump, the Clintons and their shenanigans made (in my mind) anything Trump did pale in comparison.

When it comes right down to it, and I hope Brian sees my rationale on this, I vote for presidents on how they will nominate for the Supreme Court. Our constitution is under attack from the left, and truth be told, I would rather have Trump picking Ginsburgs replacement instead of any of the socialist contenders we have making the DNC a planetary laughing stock.

To the original post, I still contend Romney is angling for, at the very least, a cabinet-level position if Trump loses. VP would better suit his ego, with perhaps a shot at the big chair 8 years hence. Romneys' disingenuous "morality" is nothing more than political theater for the proletariat; if it takes sleeping with the enemy, he'd be fine with it. Make no mistake about that.
 
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Boskee

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Founder the hardest door to open is one with an individual with a closed mind standing in front of it. Here let me try one more time and maybe this time we'll find the ground wire that's disconnected in the circuit.

When a political faction in this country chooses to subvert the right's of an individual who holds the highest elective office in the land, what chance do you or any other of us have to due process and our rights?

Now let's boil it down one more rung on the ladder. Since they've already proven beyond any sane persons doubt, that they are willing to compromise your rights to promote their agenda why is it material to you and the rest of us?

Since they control the media in many forms what are the odds that your website has a big fat target painted on it from the anti-hunters and anti-gun factions who represent large voter blocks for the dems? I'd wager they've already discussed figuring out a way to shut you down. If they don't care about the law or your right's which has already been established, promotion of their agenda is primary and you and all your followers are secondary in the interests of the party. If they're actively trying to promote anti-gun legislation now how much easier would it be if we had no voice? If they want to eliminate hunting how much easier would it be with the hunting movement silenced? Does elimination of all the pro-gun and pro-hunting sites make things more difficult for those of us who support the activities?

Since they use public opinion to force many legislative issues against popular opinion it gives them another leg up in the fight. How do we communicate in today's world? Why are the majority of folks ignorant about legislative issues? Do you honestly think, this is a coincidence? Hardly since they control the media and the narrative.

So founder I hope this sheds some light to help you find the loose ground wire to actually connect the circuit so you can actually see the light. In the very least it should make you aware of just how easy it is for the forces that oppose us to carry out their little plan. So while you may dislike Trump it's highly likely that what you've heard through the media has managed to shape your opinion because factually you wouldn't know too much otherwise.

It's also highly likely he's not as big a demon as you think he is and his street smarts leads to him coming off like a bully and a thug. Since he's been attacked 24/7 every single day he's been in office, and he has to fight to survive. If you believe what the dems are telling you since they've been wrong more than right and lied thousands upon thousands of times, it should create some doubt for you. No individual in our nations history has been investigated more thoroughly than he has by the FEDS, IRS, FBI, DNI, and the DOJ and yet he's been found innocent every single time.

Now unless you're a fool you know if they had the goods he'd have been removed by now so how guilty can he be? Immorality and guilt don't always align to form the basis of criminal intent. In fact immorality usually circumvents legal precedence in the formation of many laws. It clearly doesn't make it right but it's not a crime. You find Trumps behavior detestable but it actually aligns with most politicians normal behavior. You notice it more because they keep pointing it out on him, yet overlooking it on them. Ah yes the old double standard!

Maybe it's time you crack that door to let in a little light before it's too late and the forces that organize against all of us prevail in their quest to get into control of this country. It's not a coincidence we have a socialist running for the highest office in the land and many of those aligned with that party were major instigators in all the false investigations, rhetoric and unfounded allegations against the man that stands in their way to gain control. Sometimes you have to support the guy that's trying to save a nation rather than the faction that's looking to topple one.

I fully realize Trumps not your guy but in the importance of where we are today, he's as important as Washington, Lincoln, Hoover, Kennedy and a host of others when our nation was opposed by the forces of darkness. He came forward at this moment in history to save a nation not topple one. Just like the others that preceded him he came with a sense of higher purpose and like the others will lead us from the darkness into the light. Leaders like all men are imperfect and they are defined by the body of their deeds not merely their flaws, and it is at this time we have to call upon a flawed man, who has the strength to lead us out of the darkness. So we as a nation can move forward to achieve that which is in front of us as a beacon to the world. An example where our founding principles, right's, laws and equality set the bar for the world. That example has shaped the world for decades in the past and will do so for mankind in the future, as long as we follow the template that has guided us for generations. So it's clearly on your shoulders you looking to save a nation or be complicit in toppling one? Sometimes one has to look to the highest purpose to be able to do that which benefits the majority.
 
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bigshotca

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Honest answer, I have no clue. I'm not a political analyst, nor am I concerned with the hypothetical of someone else dealing with what Trump has. It wasn't democrats that made me feel as I do about Trump, it was Trump and the things he's said and done. He provides plenty of evidence to me for me to form my opinion that he's corrupt, a liar, immoral and someone I could never vote for.
How would I have ever guessed you’d have a meritless answer! Very unfortunate you can’t see the good things being done through all the bad propaganda
 

Servehim

Very Active Member
Boskee, you are amazing in your voice of reason . Thanks. Founder you're no Dude or for that matter Nemont. Founder your tunnel vision (TDS) in seeking and attempting to directing others in moral purity is misguided . If our President behaved as Romney (and you) desire, none of the Deep State shenanigans would have ever been exposed. He would have been cow cowed into accepting the status quo , that sir is unacceptable. The deep state is REAL and more dangerous than most Americans realize. I pray fervently for our nation and our leaders ( unlike Nancy, I really do) , I so desire for John Durhams investigation to not be silenced by the deep state and the truth to be revealed and guilty to be held accountable. These swamp creatures have been at work for a very long time and have damaged our nation greatly...my opinion.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
Homer that's a great article that makes some great points many of us have thought about from time to time. Bernie Goldberg is a really smart guy but in the end I think he's going to do what's best for our country. We can't sit back and let socialism win in a country that opposes so many of it's false narratives all disguised as a better alternative when the reality has proven otherwise around the globe. Socialism will begin the decline of America, not it's ascension, and in order to defeat it we as Americans have to vote it's demise.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
Exactly and that's why we all need to realize how important it is for us to extinguish the threat at the ballot box. This country wasn't founded on the principles of socialism in fact it was set up to avoid them even back then. They knew first hand about being under the rule of tyrannical oppression and being subjects of the ruling class completely at their disposal and responsible for their support thru endless taxation.
 

JustMuleys

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I doubt many of us would like Trump very much if we knew him personally. His PC sucks, he’s arrogant, he’s vile, he’s inconsiderate, he wakes up swinging, he can’t seem to walk away from an argument, he says stuff in public we can’t believe he actually said. He’s pissed off the French, the Candians, the Mexicans, the Germans....hell just pick a country....(except India), and I am pretty sure he’s pissed them off.....

BUT...I didn’t vote for Trump so he’d be my friend, I voted for him because I wanted someone to nominate conservative minded judges, someone to say stuff in public and to foreign leaders that we all wished we could say or someone representing us would say. I voted for Trump because status-quo, slick tongued politicians have been pissin down the American taxpayers leg for far too long and I hoped that he could re-direct that narrative. I voted for Trump for his stance on the 2nd amendment and abortion.

I honestly believe he was the ideal person to step in and actually make changes to the American political scene. I don’t think anybody that was less vile, less arrogant or more politically correct could wade through all the DC BS he has. I think he was the ideal candidate at the ideal time. Even though I don’t particularly care for him on a personal level. I do wish he would reign in the flipping spending.
 

Servehim

Very Active Member
They have no idea what you are talking about Servehim....sadly
It is sad Homer, however I believe the "They" you refer to, is an extreme minority in our nation. I see the nation moving in a major movement away from the Main Stream Media and its slanted 24/7 indoctrination of the masses of unengaged electorate therefore the future imho is Bright. The minority voters the Dems have taken for granted for decades are waking up and moving to support conservative ideology. If that trend continues.....Dems and Socialism are toast.
 

3TOE

Active Member
I doubt many of us would like Trump very much if we knew him personally. His PC sucks, he’s arrogant, he’s vile, he’s inconsiderate, he wakes up swinging, he can’t seem to walk away from an argument, he says stuff in public we can’t believe he actually said. He’s pissed off the French, the Candians, the Mexicans, the Germans....hell just pick a country....(except India), and I am pretty sure he’s pissed them off.....

BUT...I didn’t vote for Trump so he’d be my friend, I voted for him because I wanted someone to nominate conservative minded judges, someone to say stuff in public and to foreign leaders that we all wished we could say or someone representing us would say. I voted for Trump because status-quo, slick tongued politicians have been pissin down the American taxpayers leg for far too long and I hoped that he could re-direct that narrative. I voted for Trump for his stance on the 2nd amendment and abortion.

I honestly believe he was the ideal person to step in and actually make changes to the American political scene. I don’t think anybody that was less vile, less arrogant or more politically correct could wade through all the DC BS he has. I think he was the ideal candidate at the ideal time. Even though I don’t particularly care for him on a personal level. I do wish he would reign in the flipping spending.
Very well said JustMuleys... I have the EXACT same position on Trump.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
The right man at the right time and usually that bodes well on the legacy they leave and how history reflects on them........

Now imagine putting up with all that crap and not taking a dime in salary.........takes a special kind of individual to do that in spite of his flaws. maybe he really does care about this country and it's people.
 

Founder

Founder Since 1999
The right man at the right time and usually that bodes well on the legacy they leave and how history reflects on them........

Now imagine putting up with all that crap and not taking a dime in salary.........takes a special kind of individual to do that in spite of his flaws. maybe he really does care about this country and it's people.
You've got to give it to Trump, that taking no pay played out well, because some believe it was really something for someone with more money than he could ever possibly spend gave up money he'll never miss. What he's giving up is the equivalent of a millionaire giving up $307.00 per year in pay. At least a millionaire might need that money someday. A multi-billionaire will not. Kudos for Trump on a smart campaign investment.
 

JimNv

Active Member
Founder, simple question? Who do you want to pick Ginsburgs replacement? She isn't long for this earth. If you've a conservative bone in your body, and value the 2nd and the rest of the constitution....well, I'm just curious.
 

Founder

Founder Since 1999
Founder, simple question? Who do you want to pick Ginsburgs replacement? She isn't long for this earth. If you've a conservative bone in your body, and value the 2nd and the rest of the constitution....well, I'm just curious.
I have no clue, but there's no way I could vote for a corrupt, immoral liar. I don't believe my guns are going anywhere, so I'm not willing to sell out my principles to vote for Trump. Like I said above, I'm quite certain I'll have my guns until I'm dead. I don't buy into the panic that requires me to accept a man that I believe does more damage by creating hate and divisiveness, than a different President would do picking a judge.
For me, it's simple, there is nothing I believe Trump offers that is so great that I have to accept all the stuff I dislike about him. That doesn't make me a liberal, it doesn't make me anti-gun, it doesn't tell you anything about me other than I think Trump is too rotten for me to vote for.
And my thinking Trump is horrible is not a shot at any of you. I try very hard not to judge people for their political views. I may not understand them, but I know they may not understand mine either. The reason I end up getting sucked into these threads is because some like to portray anyone who doesn't share their opinion as a stupid liberal. It's just like Trump would do, because differing opinions are not allowed in his world. Only his.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
Boy you've got a lot to learn. But I'll give you an A for standing up for what you believe. If we had this conversation in 20 years I'd bet you'd be looking at things differently. If Bernie wins and we go to socialism it'll only take two terms to hear you singing a different tune. But maybe my experience in traveling around the globe and seeing what socialism brings is my advantage in perspective on things. No worries founder I agree to disagree respectfully.
 

RELH

Long Time Member
I have a hard time believing that founder feels that Bloomberg & Romney are less of a liar and corrupt then Trump.
The claims by Bloomberg in his campaign adds are outright false in many places and Romney has always been a two face liar and leans to where the wind is blowing that day. I do not care if he is Morman, as he is a insult to any good Morman.

RELH
 

RELH

Long Time Member
Bess one of the best reserve deputies that use to ride with me was a deacon in the local Mormon church. Carried a bible in his left hand for people that needed some compassion, and a Colt 1911 in his right hand for people that needed to be shot. Never worried about my back when he was with me on patrol.
RELH
 

RELH

Long Time Member
Trump does not need to rail against the Democrat contenders. Other Democrats are doing their own throat cutting of their own candidates. RELH
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They are coming apart at the seams and it is every dirty dog for himself. Somebody get the popcorn, Bess, Eel, and I want a front row seat. There goes plan "A" & plan "B" for the Democrats. I wonder what plan "C" will be. Would not put it pass them to drag up old thunder thighs Hillary for a re-run of looney tunes.
 

Hawkeye

Very Active Member
Founder, I love you brother but I could not disagree with you more on your views expressed above. Trump is certainly rough around the edges, politically incorrect, and there are time when I wish Melanie would take away his Twitter feed. However, he is precisely they type of person that we need as President right now to combat the colossal mess in Washington DC. When friends ask me why I voted for and still support trump, I give 3 reasons:

1. The economy.
2. Conservative judges.
3. Strong national defense.

No other candidate from either party comes close on those 3 important points.

Hawkeye
 

Founder

Founder Since 1999
Founder, I love you brother but I could not disagree with you more on your views expressed above. Trump is certainly rough around the edges, politically incorrect, and there are time when I wish Melanie would take away his Twitter feed. However, he is precisely they type of person that we need as President right now to combat the colossal mess in Washington DC. When friends ask me why I voted for and still support trump, I give 3 reasons:

1. The economy.
2. Conservative judges.
3. Strong national defense.

No other candidate from either party comes close on those 3 important points.

Hawkeye
I understand, we all have things that are most important to us. What's most important to me just isn't what's most important to others. Heck, I'm just fine (for the most part) with Trump on those 3 things that are most important to you. But what's most important to me are not those 3 things.
 

JimNv

Active Member
"I don't believe my guns are going anywhere, so I'm not willing to sell out my principles to vote for Trump. Like I said above, I'm quite certain I'll have my guns until I'm dead. I don't buy into the panic that requires me to accept a man that I believe does more damage by creating hate and divisiveness, than a different President would do picking a judge. "

Brian, c'mon man. Of course "they're" not going to take our guns. Too many of them and too dangerous. What they are going after, is the componentry of the firearms industry. You can see it in the verbiage they use for their anti-gun screeds and deeds. Magazine capacities, detachable or otherwise. Red flag laws (who gets to decide who gets to keep a firearm). Background checks for ammo purchases, especially if said cartridges can be used in semi-automatic firearms, and on and on. Look no further than the east and west coast states and their institutionalized soiling of the 2nd amendment.

If the anti-gun lobby had their way, we'd be down to archery and blackpowder rifles. Then again, black powder is a propellant that makes a scary noise, so they'll legislate and litigate that one as well.

You are living a pipe dream my friend if you think the supreme court isn't going to step into this fray. They already have and we are barely hanging onto the culture that has made this country so great, the people that hate it refuse to leave.

If you value your amendments, whatever they may be, you need to doff the rose-colored glasses. Politicians are nibbling away our rights. After all..."It's for the children."
 
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bigshotca

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What are you soo ashamed of, I’ve have asked you twice if not three times who is the best suited person running for office out of the bunch that are in it right now, toss President Trump to the side we all know you feel threatened by him and please answer my question without deflection.
 

3darcher2

Member
If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.

58 or 59 times, right into the camera, knowing full well it was a lie, and calmly told that lie for months, in the process displacing millions of people from their insurance for the sake of politics and upending a sector that is 1/5 of the economy

I’m still waiting for my $2500 a year in premium savings. That fable would be up to $25K now.

Trump’s got a long way to go to get to that level. He hasn’t Grubered anyone yet.
 

Bob D.

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Founder, you keep saying Trump is a liar, corrupt, and immoral. But that's where you're wrong. First, he's the most honest president we've had in decades. Maybe ever, as far as I know. That's why he has so much support, because he's not like a typical politician, and he actually says what's on his mind and he doesn't sugar coat things. So to say he's a liar, I just don't get that. And corrupt? No, that would be Hillary, Obama, the FBI, and many other politicians. Immoral, I don't believe President Trump is immoral, at least not anymore than the average American. Is it because he cheated on his wife? That to me is his own personal business, and it doesn't affect the job he's doing as President. So who cares? At least he isn't screwing young interns in the White House.
 

Boskee

Long Time Member
What's even more telling is we came very close to losing the last election. If Hillary had won we'd be facing more anti- gun legislation than we're seeing now by a long shot. Lest not we forget the Clinton's enacted the last gun ban when they were in office.

Then if you factor in all the AG's Bloomy's $100 MILLION dollars funding got elected it's even more telling. Then we see him standing up there after throwing $400 MILLION more to get up there on the debate stage and campaign on anti-gun legislation and we choose not to believe him. This is the guy that wanted to prohibit you from buying a big gulp and we question his resolve..........

He's been the mayor on the biggest city in the country and if you think he hasn't got a plan to take our guns since he's made it a point to say he's going after them and spending bigly to prove it........I'd take him at his word along with the other dems promising the same.

To say Trump didn't do anything to protect our right's is completely erroneous at best.......He was the guy that won the election that stopped many of these things cold, from progressing. He's also the guy on the front lines that enables us to be able to bring jurist's to the bench that support the constitution and protect our rights. If you think Hillary wouldn't have stepped up to pass anti-gun legislation and approve liberal jurists, since the plan was already drafted and just waiting for her to ascend to the throne, you're only kidding yourself. The house as it sits today would pass that in an instant and begin the job of lobbying the public for more support to pass it in the senate. The massive PR campaign that would ensue would make the Russian Collusion hoax look tame.

So to say we'll keep our guns when so many countries around the globe don't have their is lunacy at best. This has always been a major objective of the Democratic party along with Socialism & the globalist's, and they won't miss an opportunity to pass it when they can to be able to bring us into the fold.
Disarmament is fundamental in this objective because it's the best chance to resist that we have and their biggest deterrent in that process.

NVJIM is completely right in what he's posted and he shows there's more than one way to skin a cat and that's exactly what we're seeing today in different states. All one has to do is look at their actions over the years and the bans involved and the descriptions of many of the things they outlined and the pictures become quite clear it's not just your AR's they're after it's anything that has semiautomatic capability and then expanded on that to involves other types and classes.

This isn't a time for keeping your head in the sand and thinking past practice will save you........the stakes in the big game are different now and they're not only going after your guns they're going to take your country if we blink. Socialism is not the parallel of a Democratic Republic in any regards and don't let the false rhetoric try to tell you otherwise. Those boys at the Alamo knew what they were fighting for and make no mistake about it, this upcoming election is our Alamo and all the right's and freedoms that come with it are right there on the line. Your vote is your weapon to vanquish those who choose to take that which we covet. Use it wisely it's all you have!
 

bigshotca

Active Member
What are you soo ashamed of, I’ve have asked you twice if not three times who is the best suited person running for office out of the bunch that are in it right now, toss President Trump to the side we all know you feel threatened by him and please answer my question without deflection.
Sorry, this was directed at Founder, not that he didn’t realize it!
 

wstrntines

Very Active Member
The stock market will shoot right back up as soon as they get the coronavirus handled. It's not gonna look good if your looking at your 401k earnings for the next few weeks I'd guess. Pelosi is now blaming trump for the stock market diving. She must forget the world ships things back and forth and shipping isn't moving much right now. If I had a good 100,000 I would throw it right in the stock market today. I'd love to buy some shares at low prices.
 

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