Do your self a Huge favor & look at Firstlite's gear I ride my horses in them scouting & hunting the guide pant is awesome they have a new light weight pant out this year. Their gear is top notch , they have several options available . I bought the Obsidian merino pants they dont wear very good if your in a lot of brush I traded those off for the Guide pants 2 years ago they are the only pants I wear year round for hunting !! Sold all of my KUIU & Sitka wont go back Just my opinion