Where is the BLM getting 75 Million?
The Bundy's Finally Pay up?
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So kitty!
I Agree!
But Why Haven't they ever made them Pay up?
They judgements have already been issued. The Bundy's will have to pay, but it may not be until the death of some key players and then the seizure of assets at that point. Judgements are legal actions that don't just disappear.So kitty!
I Agree!
But Why Haven't they ever made them Pay up?
They judgements have already been issued. The Bundy's will have to pay, but it may not be until the death of some key players and then the seizure of assets at that point. Judgements are legal actions that don't just disappear.
Yep.If groups are going to share what they put back on the ground in Utah then they should make sure to more clearly include their partners. The good citizenry of Utah gives the groups hundreds of permits to auction/raffle which create many of the funds which are then touted as being "put on the ground".
So props to the groups and even more props to the State of Utah (and its citizens) which supplies the source for much of the funding.
Hoss it is 880k more helping wildlife than we would have if the DWR kept all them permits and distributed them through the draw.
Your entire post is conjecture and hypothetical.Grizz the DWR could auction off the tags and keep all the money. But all of the money from the auction would go into the general budget which then the state legislators would cut the DNR budget. A small percent of that extra money brought in from the auction tags would be spent on projects.
I know one thing for sure it is alot easier to get the SFW to fund a project than try to cut through the red tape and get the DNR to fund a project.
I do believe most all of our posts are conjecture & hypothetical.Your entire post is conjecture and hypothetical.
Your entire post is conjecture and hypothetical.
Sorry. Let me restate post # 18
Gained revenue from sales or services from said goverment entity can and will be used to cover any shortfall of general budget for current fiscal year of said government entity.
If any gained revenue is left from general budget at end of fiscal year that revenue can then be placed in a PTIF Type savings with stipulations and/or be carried over to the next year general budget.
I do believe he stated that you can revisit the budget and use some of the gained revenue for a needed project, like for something that was unforeseen when the budget was adopted.
That is how it was explained to me by my accountant when I ran a government entity budget, it was a small budget but still a government budget.
I am sure there is an accountant that can explain it better or correct me if I am wrong, it would not be the first time.
All of that is not conjecture or hypothetical
Good article read itHow Utah’s natural resource agency could make more $
Unlike other Western states like Colorado, Wyoming and Idaho, Utah’s wildlife agency is not self-supporting, instead relying on general fund money from the state budget for its operations.www.ksl.com
DWR budget is about 90 percent self supporting and 10 percent tax funded.
This is a quote from KSL article.
SALT LAKE CITY — Unlike other Western states like Colorado, Wyoming and Idaho, Utah’s wildlife agency is not self-supporting, instead relying on general fund money from the state budget for its operations.
Yes it is conjecture or hypothetical of my assumption the state legislature would not utilize any extra revenue generated by auction tags used by conservation organizations to fund projects for the benefit of wildlife at the same rate as conservation organizations do.
But I myself I support the conservation organizations to auction tags to generate funds for projects for the benefit of wildlife in Utah.
Just one mans opinion.
But what did $fw do with ALL the money WE GAVE THEM.?
We gave them $3.75 on every lotto ticket. Where did that go? How much did WE give them in tax breaks for the expo? How much did WE pay DWR employees to man booths?
$3.75 x 50,000= $188,750
So that's IF their was 50k attendees, and they each only bought one ticket.
What was their real take? $300-$400k? More?
When you look at $880k and tgen figure they kept $300-$400k, that amount spent doesn't look great.
So notdon got me a little more curious based upon his quibbling over the $82k I slighted SFW. so I actually clicked on the link. This is what their own website says:
“SFW’s funding of these projects comes from two sources:
1. Utah Conservation Permit funds raised through SFW’s live auctions at the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo and its 17 fundraising events held throughout Utah in 2018 and 2019.
2. $5 Application Revenue from the Western Hunting & Conservation Expo during the 2018 and 2019 Expo events.“
Holy crap! They are not only including the $5 application fees, but this is from TWO years of the expo!!!!
Wow, this is going to look really bad when I finish the math on that one.
Notdon, feel free to inspire more interest with more comments. It seems you will be a great catalyst for some difficult questions to come. Like this one I asked above:
Where is the rest of it?
Stay tuned...
Okay. I’ll oblige and round up. $900k it is.
Where is the rest of it?
But they "present" the WB with money on one of those poster sized checks.
You got any idea how much those babies cost to print?
Notdon. Does it really matter if they have a partner?
They are doing the very minimum required.
Whether that's 1/2 pie, or the whole pie makes no difference.
Especially if you consider the other org was offering the MAXIMUM.
So notdon got me a little more curious based upon his quibbling over the $82k I slighted SFW. so I actually clicked on the link. This is what their own website says:
“SFW’s funding of these projects comes from two sources:
1. Utah Conservation Permit funds raised through SFW’s live auctions at the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo and its 17 fundraising events held throughout Utah in 2018 and 2019.
2. $5 Application Revenue from the Western Hunting & Conservation Expo during the 2018 and 2019 Expo events.“
Holy crap! They are not only including the $5 application fees, but this is from TWO years of the expo!!!!
Wow, this is going to look really bad when I finish the math on that one.
Notdon, feel free to inspire more interest with more comments. It seems you will be a great catalyst for some difficult questions to come. Like this one I asked above:
Where is the rest of it?
Stay tuned...
But they "present" the WB with money on one of those poster sized checks.
You got any idea how much those babies cost to print?
Notdon. Does it really matter if they have a partner?
They are doing the very minimum required.
Whether that's 1/2 pie, or the whole pie makes no difference.
Especially if you consider the other org was offering the MAXIMUM.
Notice I didnt, nor did Vanilla mention
MDF.
I don't because they are pretty open with accounting. Second, because I read Slamdunk say MDF dropped $3.5 million. Which if true is roughly 7x what $fw did.
But again another spin.
No one commented on what anyone else did. The numbers are from $fw.
And ya. They took spent $900k, plus 21.95 for the check.
How much did they pull from their part of the auction pie?
How much did they pull from the WHOLE pie in the tags they auctioned at their banquets?
I'll ask Slamdunk. I betting MDF has an answer.
Slam- I like MDF, support them, and have sweat and bled on MDF projects. That said, the photo you posted is the exact problem with groups taking all the credit. I doubt all of the $3.5 million came from banquet dinners, raffle tickets, and memberships. $3.5 million most likely includes the 90% of funds received from Conservation tags which has legal mandates to be used on State approved projects. Yet not one word of credit is given to the State of Utah and it citizens for essentially giving MDF the resources to generate some/most of that funding. Partners should be acknowledged in a partnership.
Alright, I'm back with some more numbers. Let me begin by telling you my methodology here. I looked at the reported sales at auction at the 2019 Western Hunting and Conservation Expo. And I ONLY used Utah big game permits. I did not include anything from another state, any out of the country hunts, any merchandise in the auction, or fishing trips. This is strictly the money generated from tags given to them by the state of Utah, because I know what the requirement is for those, whereas I'm not sure for out of state, merchandise, etc.
The 2019 auction brought in the following total just in Utah tags:
$2,260,000
Giving the benefit of the doubt on a 50/50 split with the MDF, SFW would have received $1,356,000 from this auction alone. By rule, 60% of that is REQUIRED to be reserved by the organization for approved conservation projects. 60% of the total above is......
$678,000.
Now, we rounded up to $900,000 to give SFW the benefit of the doubt here, but before we start congratulating them on spending over $200,000 extra, let's remember, they said that $900,000 came from TWO years of the expo, including the $5 application fees and auction revenue, in addition to 17 other SFW fundraisers throughout those two years. (Including other tags SFW received to raffle/auction at their own banquets.) That $678,000 is just SFW's 60% responsibility for approved conservation projects from the auction alone.
Goodness people. Where the heck is the rest of the money????
This is so embarrassing that our state allows this to keep happening.
slamdunk,
Please notice that none of my criticism or questions have been directed towards MDF. There is a reason for that. As you stated, they have been very transparent.
You’re right, I haven’t looked at SFW’s financials. I haven’t even looked at all the expo tag financials. Nobody outside of the organization has. And therein lies the problem.
I am using their own reported public information to ask these questions, and have given them the benefit of the doubt at every single turn to make things look most favorable into them. And they still come up millions short.
Asking where the rest of the money is at is a very fair question. One I doubt anyone in the organization will ever answer. But I’m going to start asking it to people that are accountable to us as the people.
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