Big Pig, I see by your posts that you are in a dilema about which glass to buy. I bought my first pair of Zeiss' when I could'nt afford to, It was one of my best purchases.Since then I have invested some serious money on optics. You will want the best you can possibly afford.I think you should "Go for broke" on this one purchase. Save a bit more money and buy the best. The Swarovski EL's are bout the best IMHO,the new Leica Douvids are flat out awesome....a bit heavy, but incredible to have multi-power glass in one package. The Duovids will probably be my next splurge.Whatever you do don't buy something half heartedly, Bino's are something that will last a very long time(unless your careless) Don't get Pentax or something you will have regrets about.Go with one of the big three makers,Zeiss,Swarovski,or Leica.....and spend a bit more than you planned on. You will not regret it! Happy glassing! Buck Nuts.