west desert deep creek info?

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I have a friend that drew a West desert deep creek rifle tag for elk and was looking for some info on some good places to look this summer. Any info would be appreciated.
 
This will be the last good year out there, i hope he makes the best of it!








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Ha!

Just to defend my heterosexuality the above statement did not happen simultaneously.

I don't want you to freak out the people Im helping out this year. They'll think Im taking them to Indian land for a little deliverance action.
 
I live in Price Utah and I am just looking for some general info on some places to look this year when we go up there scouting. I am familiar with the manti and other units but have never stepped foot on the west desert. Thanks for any help.
 
Between the state lowering the age class to 4.5 on the public side and the Indians issuing more tags, a 360" bull will be a giant on that unit after this year i'm afraid :-(










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I have two friends that drew this year. One for Muzzle, one for Rifle. I hope they make the best of it because as stated above this will be the last good year.
 
I don't know what they did with the elk, but they are destroying the deer. 2 years ago, they killed over 20 bucks, it hurt the deer herd, badly enough, that it was hard to find a good buck. So last year they only gave out "10" tags. I told them a friend and I wanted to hunt Nov. 7-14th, they said no more tags as they were building the herd. Next day got a call, they found the tags. This year they doubled the price, now how does that make sense, when the size of bucks out there has gone from decent to difficult to find a mature trophy. If they manage the elk the same way, a 360 will be a truly rare experience, I hope the fools the pay the res the money have a good time, because they certainly won't be hunting trophies..
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So SLammy you saying Ill need to frame the pics those ho daddys that have been taken over the years and chalk it up as a memory?
 
Well horny man, let me tell you a little about the deeps as you don't seem to really know what you are getting into out there. The best hunting areas on the deeps are composed of a little indian reservation called the goshiutes, the pretty much control the southern half of the deep creek range, especially on the west side. You are right they are in the central region in utah. However, because the indians have the best hunting areas controlled, the areas where most of the big bull elk travel through, the way they manage the land has a huge affect on the general hunting for both deer and elk. What I was talking about was there management and how it has already deeply affected the hunting quality out there. The reservation used to be leased by bucks and bulls and was well managed, but as of 2 years ago, the indians took over themselves. And so far it aint been good.
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I actually do know a little something about the deeps and where to hunt the public land. Not an easy hunt out there, but were a few good bulls on public land last year. So if you get lucky or some nice guy tells you where to go you have a chance. It is tough country so be prepared. You may be wise to get a guide.
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Simmer down Tooele. I wasn't challenging your intelligence or character. You made it sound as if they took 20 bucks on public land and it was a draw system. Since you gave a number it sounded as if you knew of a tag allocation given for the area.

P.S. Due to your accusation. I'll go toe to toe against any guy in the state on the public parts of that Mtn.


I know who leased it and who doens't now. Maybe you should read between the lines. You're probably still confused. Its alright, maybe we could change your name to Grantsville. Nah, I have friends there so I wouldnt do that either.
 
Geeez my friends of the Deeps, i'm upset about OUR loss as well, but we don't need any challenges, we're challenged enough! Lol ;-)
Tooele is dead nutz on about what's going on out there and hornyman does know his stuff as well, your both just frustrated but on the same team on the issue, as am i.
I have been guiding out there for over 10 years on that reservation. I have watched it come from the days of 350" bulls to taking some giants the last few years consecutively.
It's very obvious whats happening to the elk, but i am still baffled by the deer situation.
I can assure you it's not been over hunted by guides and outfitters, you can count on one hand how many deer tags we had out there each year.
The tribal members are allowed so many deer per family and i know they aren't "trophy hunters", they feed their families meat, not antlers. Even if there are 60 families out there (just a guess) and they are allowed 4 deer per unit, 240 is a hell of a lot of deer on a small unit like that.
Now toss in the public state hunters for three seasons.....pretty easy math to me and i'm brain dead!

Now back to the elk talk.
I'm not sure how many elk tags the Goshute tribe will issue to sell this year, but it scares me to think it could be 20 or more and that's too damn many, and double what we've had in past years.
Tooele is right about the best land for the animals IS on the tribal lands, BUT i have witnessed on dry years the public land hunters do better than we do on the rez because the cows are all down with the irrigation water on the hay fields. Then the rut comes and the bulls come find them.
One dry year and additional tags allocated by the state and it's all over boys and girls, i assure you.









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Cats, Cats, and more cats.

When you can glass up more cats on a trip than some houndsman see in a season the writing is on the wall.

I did see a solo bighorn out there two years ago. That was a pleasant surprise. Im sure he's not around today.
 
UT1031 gave you some good places to start looking. If you are willing to get off the four wheeler trails and go for a little walk you will find elk. It is neat country and a fun hunt. Enjoy it!
 
>Cats, Cats, and more cats.
>
>When you can glass up more
>cats on a trip than
>some houndsman see in a
>season the writing is on
>the wall.
>
>I did see a solo bighorn
>out there two years ago.
>That was a pleasant surprise.
>Im sure he's not around
>today.

You hit the nail on the head there!!
I saw four lions in one week while hunting elk year before last out there, i was lucky enough to let the air out of one of them.
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I don't know slam, do you really think it is just the cats on the deer, or the huge increase in the elk numbers as well. When you see the damage the elk do to the quaking aspens and the way they tear up the side hills, I wonder if it isn't a combination. Back in the late 80's early 90's before the land swap, we all would be hunting off the same pass into the birch canyons and it would be a rarity to see an elk, then you increasingly saw more elk, and the deer hunting staring getting worse little by little. However, if the indians shoot twenty or so bucks during the rut guided, that certainly isn't going to help. I wasn't at all clear earlier in the thread, but I looked seriously into hunting on the res over the last couple of years. During my enquiries, they said the first year, you guys let the lease go, they guided and shot 20 bucks, which really hurt their numbers (They must have a biologist?). So Last year they would only be guiding 10 hunters, but they had already sold the 10 tags, that is when they found me two more tags in the prime of the rut? Management on the reservation is certainly a concern and it will definitely hurt public hunting for deer and elk. I would suspect it will hurt the elk size much, much, more. Likewise cats are a problem, but they are hunted hard out there, not much you can do about the cats. This is actually the first year I have decided to scrap the deeps. Quality has gotten so bad, that I am moving on for the time being, but I may help the guy find an elk.
 
Oh yes horny man, never been challenged to a competitive hunt out in the deep creeks. That would make for an interesting week of hunting. We would probably both kill ourselves anyway and neither of us would probably see anything worth shooting. If some of the quality starts coming back, maybe we can take each other up on it in the furture, right now I am focusing more on New mexico, and nevada. If I don't draw them, then at least I can get a landowners. Good luck to you, and hopefully the deeps will get back to there old glory someday.
T
 
That is exactly why I love it out there. You do feel like you've stepped back 100 years in time. There is just a neat feeling on that Mtn. Nothing like others I've been to, that and you can escape people. Even on the general ML hunt I can hunt certain canyons and not see a soul all week.

I've been saying it for a really long time. The Indians should join the DWR and help perserve that Mtn. If they would help manage it correctly and rid the place of cats they could charge a grundle for a sheep tag or two. The sale of one indian sheep tag alone would be worth it. I don't ever ever seeing it happen out there.

Interesting because last year I acutally felt the deer were on a little of a rebound. Where I've been looking I've seen more deer and larger ones than I have seen since the late 90's. Maybe it was a fluke but here's to hoping right.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-03-10 AT 08:43PM (MST)[p]

Been out to the deeps a few times this year and have seen some good bulls. was out there this weekend, Man its still green up high in the basin. IT should be a good year!!!

I think the deer are on the rebound, I saw 4 doe's in one day! lol
 
4 does, thats funny.

I said it last year and Ill say it again. I saw more big bucks last year than I have seen in probably the last 5-7 years out there. I keep telling myself they are coming back, I sure hope so anyways.
 
I think the wilderness study area signs are the only thing on the rebound
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-10 AT 11:44AM (MST)[p]Lol those signs sure are breading like rabbits!

Horny, I agree there are some decent bucks and they are coming back. we saw more then doe's. Lots and lots of cattle as well. bunch of t-bone steaks running around
 
sounds good to me. im not real worried.300 more lazy road hunters will look at that mountain and say F it im not hiking that
 
Hey be nice to the beef cows. I worked hard to get them there. Yes lets bring the people, I Need someone else picking up the rocks in tires instead of me.
 
This thread sounds just like last years thread and 08's and 07's.....LOL
Great place to spend your summer getting into shape!
I kinda like that mountain!
Elk will be Elk, basic elk rules will apply.
Nice to see all the same players with the same info.
Same forcast as last year too..
Everyone of these guys are diehards to know this mountain like they do.
Makes me wish I had your tag!!
I'm sure you'll get some info after you spend your time beatin the bushes.
Just so you know, I had to go to the BLM to get the land swap/boundry map, no other map had good boundry lines for the south and east boundry of the rez. the north has a good fence line and well marked.
I sure enjoyed some of the locals and others I meet on the mountain.
I think I enjoyed scouting and spending time on the mountain almost as much as tipp'in over the bull.

CANNON
 

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