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It's True!
Surveys are in & for every LE Archery Bull that hit the dirt this year there were 2 more wounded that limped off in to the Timber never to be seen again.
Guess that keeps the Condors & Buzzards fed?

Before ya all get PIZZED!
Admit it,there was a higher percentage of Bulls wounded by the 'StickFlippin' crowd!

Not Harpin on StickFlippers,the Ethical Archery Hunters hung their Bows after the first hit & that's the way it should be,had friends it happened to this year,it's the others boasting/Bragging they hit anywhere from 2 to 6 Bulls that thoroughly Piss me off!

Oh,and before you all start your BS with me,I seen an Archer in an LE unit this year try a 175 yard shot,WTF is up with that?
This JACKASS shoulda been banned from hunting for life!

OK,I'll STHU now!

(Ya,I know it happens with all weapons!)

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Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
That is pathetic. I hear it every year, some guy talking about/ bragging about hitting a bull or two that were not recovered. Most act like they did something good. It makes me sick to hear it. Some guys need to have more respect for the animals they are hunting and only take shots that will result in a clean kill.
 
I don't doubt it for a second.

Wounding seems to be worse for draw hunts. Maybe it's the pressure to kill something on a hard to draw tag that makes guys take shifty shots.

States should seriously consider making it manditory to cut a tag once blood is drawn for every weapon type.

I'm tired of hearing about all of the wounded bucks and bulls, and what we see and hear is just scratching the surface.

"Dear MacGuyver, Enclosed is a rubber band, a paper clip, and a drinking straw. Please save my dog." Peter Griffin aka The Family Guy
 
I have no idea where you get that number but it seems a bit high. Even if it was 2 bulls per archer though, that still bothers me. How can I defend my sport with that stat floating around. People like this make us all look bad.
 
only 3.? hell i averaged 3 a day.! if they didn't drop on sight i figured it was just a flesh wound. don't worry not every one was a bull. sometimes i miss judged the distance and hit the cow behind.


<Stu Padasso Pro Staff

<Dixie Nourmous Field Staff
 
I think I pizzed my pants reading this thread!! Funny Stuff and the truth none the less.

TICK
TALL, WIDE, AND HANDSOME
 
i took an active role in bringing the bull to cow numbers back where they need to be. if every hunter was Proactive and did there part we would have healthy herds before no time. we have too many bulls breeding bulls.
<Stu Padasso Pro Staff

<Dixie Nourmous Field Staff
 
Unfortunatly with hunting there will always be some animals that are wounded and not recovered regardless of weapon choice. I think that it is easier to tag archers with wounding animals due to the arrow being still in the animal and/or having to follow up their shot in an attempt to find the arrow. I think we would all be surprised at how many animals are actually hit, wounded, and lost if we could follow up on all the bullets being shot too. The important thing is that we remember we are in the public eye when we are talking about animals being wounded and lost. We need to be responsible and try to take only the most ethical shots and follow up in recovering the animal when ever we take a shot.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if he number was actually higher than that on general archery units where guys can shoot cows/spikes/whatever comes along.


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What a load of crap!!! Just a bunch of stat's gettin pulled out yer ass's and thrown out there like it's some sorta fact!!!
 
With you on this issue B-Plop. Just look at the "HELP" I hit a big one posts on this forum. No solid data but I believe archers are the worst offenders.

Slick
 
B Bop......Back to the thread.

Where did the #s come from?
They seem to be VERY steep.

I hear alot about EXTREME range shooting with gun and bow. MOST (and I mean almost all) hunters are not skilled enough to do it in the field. Bad trend IMHO.

I spend a fair amount of time in the field and have my ear to the ole hunting drum and hear of damn few bull found after they have been "stuck" with a stick. Where do they all go to die?

I would imagine we can all hear some rumors of bulls running around, or dead, with arrow holes in them but the facts don't back it up.

Fire away.....I'm a long ways away! LOL

Zeke
 
Do you ever actually go hunting yourself bessy or are you just a tag along, trouble maker every fall? :) :) :)

The fishing must not be too good out in the basin lately is it?

Cheers,
Pete
 
Well c3!
The fishin ain't bad!
I just pounded a local LE Elk Unit for 2-1/2 days & it ain't worth a ####!
Just be glad you got to hunt where you did!
Gonna be doin some PISSCUTTIN myself in a few weeks c3,you wanna tag along & put some more mileage on your Danners?:D

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
So....that's what an elk looks like.
I've been passing up a whole bunch of those things! LOL

Really though, it makes us wonder what some people are thinking.
Shooting a moo cow? Sick turds!

The antis probably enjoy this thread.

Zeke
 
I am with ya. I hate hearing people say "Well I hit 1, but never found it" usually on the general archery Deer hunt. The 1 constant I have noticed is that its usually someone archery hunting with a " Dedicated Archery Tag" Just my opinion, but I wish this state and DWR=(Division of Wondering Retards) would simply go back to a choose your weapon system, but $$$$ talks. I know many individuals like to hunt all 3 seasons, but its the idiots that aren't dedicated to shooting archery all year long and just shoot 2 days before the opening weekend. They are just out there taking unethical shots while scouting for the fire arm seasons.
 
BESS I'm CALLING YOU OUT!! I WANT TO SEE FACTS, HARD #'S FROM THE SURVEYS. POST YOUR SOURCE

OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST FULL OF ##### LIKE EVERY OTHER POST YOU MAKE!!!
 
You saw a guy take a 175 yard shot??? Wow.
Were you hunting with him? Did you view it from your spotting scope? Were you following the guy?
 
First off; do you guys really think that Bess is talking about a real survey? If so, I have a bridge to sell you......he is just making a point, and it's his opinion.

Second; I have talked to a few (4 or 5) LE archery hunters and every one has admitted to hitting AT LEAST one bull that they did not recover. Some said that the shots were not fatal in their opinion, but by it's nature archery hunters will wound more big game that they don't kill right away......shoot a bull in the leg with a rifle and he is not going anywhere fast due to sheer tissue and bone damage. Hit him with a broadhead in the same leg and he may be fine, he may get infected and die, he may bleed out in two minutes....shot placement is far more critical with a pointy stick than it is with a .338


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>Second; I have talked to a
>few (4 or 5) LE
>archery hunters and every one
>has admitted to hitting AT
>LEAST one bull that they
>did not recover.

Andy using your same logic I talked to 7 LE Rifle hunters that had shots from 500 - 800 yards and even one at 962 that said "When I shot, the bull didn't drop so I figured I didn't hit it." REALLY??
The Rifle hunters didn't even go and look to check for blood or anything. How many long distant rifle shots were taken and wounding animals???

What do you have to say to that BESS?
 
Thats fact! More people shot and think they missed and never went and checked. More animals are wounded by muzzle loader and rifle than archery! There are retards out there with all weapons just more with guns.
 
>Andy using your same logic I
>talked to 7 LE Rifle
>hunters that had shots from
>500 - 800 yards and
>even one at 962 that
>said "When I shot, the
>bull didn't drop so I
>figured I didn't hit it."
>REALLY??
>The Rifle hunters didn't even go
>and look to check for
>blood or anything. How many
>long distant rifle shots were
>taken and wounding animals???


That sucks man. Stupid is stupid regardless of weapon in hand. I guess the pressure to shoot a big animal makes people do dumb things. All I was saying is that archery tackle, by it's nature, has the potential to wound more animals than it kills with the same shot placement as a centerfire rifle.

Hell, I hunt muzzleloader because I am afraid of the rifle guys and not as skilled as the GOOD archery guys.....

All I can control is that when I drop the hammer on my LE muzzy hunt this week I am taking a shot that will kill the bull as quickly and cleanly as possible.....



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There are a bunch of unethical slobs out there for sure.

The anti-hunters always point to the slobs as THE norm. The problem is we throw fuel on the fire and we are the ones getting burned.

We will never be able to have control over other's behavior so what is the option? Stop bow hunting? Stop all hunting? That would fix the problem, Right? Hmmmmmm

The more we fight among ourselves and the more we make wild accusations the weaker we become as hunting brothers. The problem started with the competitive side of hunting. We should ban the tapemeasure.

Zeke
 
Yes, archery hunts do wound animals. It also happens on rifle and muzzleloader hunts as well. sucks but it is the truth. In the most part, I doubt it is intentional. Even in ideal circumstances, something can go wrong causing a less than ideal hit.

There are also animals killed by cars, etc. I vote we ban cars or houses in winter ranges or shed hunters harrasing animals after a hard winter...
 
And rifle hunters never wound game or take 500 yard shots. I think it may be alarming to these rifle elitists to know that they too, wound game. It's the nature of the harvest. I have taken Mule deer who were wounded prior by a mountain lion. It happens. Makes me sick when I do it but it happens. I have hung up my bow/rifle after wounding game or have only hunted that animal the rest of the hunt.

I agree with whats stated here, though. I am sickened by people who brag on animals they stuck and wounded but I will say that this is not exclusive to stickflippers. I'll go so far as to put the ratio at near 1:1 arrows to bullets.
 
Bess, I could be interested in tagging along if you don't mind the company. Send me a pm with your number and I'll give you a call.

The fishing is definitely going well in the basin it seems :)

Cheers,
Pete
 
>Thats fact! More people shot and
>think they missed and never
>went and checked. More animals
>are wounded by muzzle loader
>and rifle than archery! There
>are retards out there with
>all weapons just more with
>guns.



you chit and fell in it too..stick flippers by far are the worst offender..I've been known to do some bow hunting too, but refuse to defend this new crop of city league retards that think they're shooting a 3D target, when its a live animal...2007 on the Henry's was enough to make me puke, what an f'n joke.
 
I sure wish I would have known which units these guys were wounding "at least one" bull per hunter before I applied 'cause there weren't enough bulls in my unit to wound one per hunter with a rifle let alone a bow.
 
Here is some food for thought. I was just in an elk camp that had 17 hunters in it, 3 of these hunters were archery hunting and the other 14 were rifle hunting. 2 of the 3 archery hunters wounded bulls that were never recovered (and we spent two days looking for each of these bulls), and the other archery hunter's bull was recovered only after several hours and an extensive effort was made. All of the shots were under 40 yards and all of the hunters felt confident about their shot placement.

On the other hand, 13 or 14 rifle hunters killed and there were ZERO wounding losses or incidents. So in this scenario, the wounding percentage with archery tackle was 66%, while the wounding percentage with a high-powered weapon was 0%.

Archery equipment just doesn't cause the trauma that a rifle does. This is both positive and negative. Positive because there is an off chance that the animal may survive due to a clean cut and less trauma, but negative because unless the shot placement is perfect, odds are against the archer to recover their animal. Had these two wounded archery bulls been hit in the same spot with a rifle they wouldn't have gone 10 feet.

No doubt about it though, there are definitely more animals hit and loss with archery equipment than with at rifle.....that fact is irrefutable!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-10 AT 03:46PM (MST)[p]Archers are not the issue here hunters taking bad shots are the issue with all weapons. There have been studies that show that archery wounded animals have a higher chance of complete recovery than firearms wounded animals. I know you can't believe it but it's actually true do to the higher chance of infection from the bullets fragmenting in the animals where a broadhead just makes a cut and it more apt to heal. Couple the bullet fragmentation along with the energy tranfer to the organs with a bullet and you have more internal damage from a firearm.

Now, a bad shot is a bad shot with any weapon, and you guys that can't believe that firearms hunters wound many times more animals than archers need to rethink things. How many more firearms hunters are there in the field and which weapon has the potential to inflict a wound at longer yardages and which weapon allows for faster follow up shots? Is a bow hunter more apt to take a shot over 60 -75 yards? Not really and that's a chip shot for any firearm so sorry boys firearms hunters by the simple law of averages and more hunters afield win the equation. BUT how many time on here do we have people posting up about taking long shots and guys tell them to mind their own business.......Well wounding animals is every hunters business no matter what weapon we shoot because in reality it effects every single one of our chances to hunt. Like it or not it's part of hunting but better shot selection and closer shots will increase every hunters chance of success with any weapon. It's not a perfect world but not taking a shot can actually improve your chance of success if it's outside your comfort zone. Sorry Bessy but this topic doesn't only refer to any specific weapon but it does apply to every hunter no matter what they're hunting and no matter what weapon they choose to use.
 
No you have no clue what you are talking about. I have seen more wounded with muzzleloader then rifle then archery. That is fact!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-10 AT 04:21PM (MST)[p]
AndymanSavage"..shot placement is far more critical with a pointy stick than it is with a .338"


Why is the shot placement less critical with a rifle? BS if you ask me, shot placement is critical no matter what weapon you use. Shot execution is more critical with a bow, just the nature of the weapon.
 
Well DR_DEATH!
This is what I have to say to that:

There are SLOB Hunters of every kind with every weapon!
Yes I did see the JACKASS try a 175 (Approx) yard shot!
I was up on a Ridge,yes a vantage point looking down,the thing that really pissed me off was the JOKER looked around to see if anybody was watching,he shoulda looked up on the ridge!
Whenn azzholes start having to 45 their Arrows/Bow I'd say it's to FRICKEN far!

How many of you have a 200 yard pin on your f'n Bow?

I'm sayin as usual,there were too many wounded animals,especially Elk this year in LE Units wounded due to Un-Ethical wanna-be Robin Hoods!

These type of JOKERS have one Attitude:It was just a Bull,there's plenty more in these LE Units,I'll shoot till I get one!

I have nothing against any Ethical Archery Hunter,I have many friends that are more Lethal with their Bows than most people are with their guns,and yes I bow hunt a little myself,but by GAWD I've never tried a 175 yard shot on an Elk yet & don't ever plan to!

I didn't start this thread to bash Ethical Archery Hunters,I posted this in hopes that a few that have wounded several animals this year will WAKE THE HELL UP & get their crap together & not take P Poor shots,if I educate one thick headed feather flipper I feel I might save one Bulls Life so there's a chance an Ethical Hunter will have a chance at that Bull the following year!

FIRE AWAY!

And where's ww?

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
True,That's exactly why they're relied on to prove things because it eliminates the bias and the emotional factors on this subject.
The numbers and the math don't lie when they're applied fairly. To think that millions upon millions of firearms hunters don't wound more animals than archers is niave to say the least. I hunt both ways but I can tell you that most archers are a little more concerned about shot placement than most firearms hunters have even thought about. Firearms hunters think the superior fire power of the weapon will do the job. Uneducated hunters exist in both camps but it's up to the hunters to educate it's participants so we all can benefit with more opportunity.
 
No bowhunt!
I don't Hunt with ASSHOLES that take 175 yard shots!


I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
Stirrin the pot with a big stick I see! :D I'm an archery hunter and Bessy knows it, but I totally agree. It drives me insane when I hear people talking about wounding more than one animal. I'm not going to sit here and preach about wounding an animal. It happens to every hunter. If you're a hunter and you tell me you haven't wounded an animal, you're either lieing through your teeth or you haven't hunted very long. It happens. However, my belief is when you wound an animal, you spend the rest of the hunt trying to find that damn thing!!!! If you don't find him after a valiant effort, you punch your tag and go home. It sucks, but that's the way it should be. A tag is issued for ONE (1) bull elk, buck deer, etc. It's not a license to keep flinging arrows or lead after you wound one. Of course that's just my oppinion and you may do whatever you want to with your tag but IMHO, it's unethical to wound more than one animal in specific hunt.


It's always an adventure!!!
 
Right on AWLB!!!
You're way better/nicer than me at telling it the way it is!

Just amazes me at how many modern day Robin Hoods become proffessional Archery hunters in such a very short time & BRAGG on how many animals they wound!


I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
175 yard shots with a bow are about as ethical as someone coming on here and claiming that they can hit a fly at 1000 yards with the most expensive rifle scope combo and then shoot ten times to gut shoot a bull. Bessy you and I both know that some people, with no matter what weapon, think that they are better with it than they really are.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-10 AT 08:10PM (MST)[p] What the frick are you talking about G-Spotit1st ''Just be glad you get to hunt" Horses arse!! It is not about being glad to hunt. It is about having enough respect for the animal to let it live if the shots not right. So some Clouted Flapmouth Bladder who is just glad to hunt has something to hunt.


Rutnbuck
 
rutnbuck: show me the proof of all these dead animals that the archery hunters are wounding and I will shut up until then this whole thread is BS and a pot stirrer for all those rifle hunters who just don't get what they want all the time, the elk hunt this year was a bummer for those LE permits with hot temps and the elk not getting it on like usual get over it lifes not always perfect for the rifle hunters sometimes you actually have to get off your arse and lay a little sole on the mountain I can't imagine what your 4 wheeler seat smells like after a hard day of sitting on it hoping something jumps out in front of you so you can make up a story about it just like who started this thread.
 
Now spotit1st can start the Whining about the Archers not getting what they think they deserve!
You got an extra week of Rut time,don't tell me they weren't Ruttin,I was on 2 different LE Units,yes they were Ruttin!
Suck it Up!

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
I can tell you one thing for damn sure... THEY WERE NOT RUTTING ON BOULDER. unless there were alot of bulls breeding bulls going on.

ANd if you dont believe me ask the other 26 archery hunters.



Yes I agree you should hang it up after you draw blood. Look for that animal and hunt him. Yes I agree there are a few archery hunters that wound 2,3,4 animals. and it aint right!

But its not Rocket Science to figure out what weapon wounds more animals and guess what??? It is the rifle guys!!! Lots more hunters, Lots more pull your gun out and dust it off, lots more lazy A slobs shooting 600 yards at running animals just trying to draw blood.
I hunt both, I love both but if you think the stick flippers wound more you better open your eyes!!!
 
Simmer down there Gspot!! Don't go and get your pigtails all twisted up in a knot! I will give you a 6 for jaw flapping effect.

Rutnbuck
 
CAT. I don't believe you saw a guy taking a 175 yard shot. But I do agree that there are ding bats that take long shots, that are just stupid. Archers do seem to wound more...kinda sad. I wish it did not happen. I don't think it is as common as other say. If you wound an animal punch your tag problem solved.
 
It's Truer!!
New survey in and this is how it went. For every 1.5 LE any weapon elk hunter in the field, they wounded 4.7 bull elk, 3.2 cow elk, 2.4 moo cows/bulls, and 1.2 ahh thuck it's another saddle horse. And for every 1.2 shots under 200 yards there were 11.2 over 500.

Now i'm not trying to bag on rifle hunters (i'm half one... on my fathers side) but these numbers don't lie... ((100% accurate 60% of the time)). kinda like those thucking archery hunters.
 
Well bowhunt!
You Gawd Damned well better believe me!
The TARD took a shot that was rediculous!
I guess you don't think this sshit happens in the field?
You'd best start payin attention!
Just because you don't do it doesn't mean somebody else wont!


I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
1st archery hunters did not get an extra week! They got the same amount of time they have for years. The dates fell a little better this year, but they did not get an extra week.

2nd I believe there are a lot of bad/long/rushed shots out there that result in multiple animals wounded. Just want to point out that on my LE archery hunt I drew back twice, let one of those go and killed one bull and wounded none. I had a 370+ bull at 70 yards for a couple minutes, then again at 90 for another 5 minutes and didn't take the shot. I guarantee I'm not the only one making those kind of decisions.
 
+1 AWLB. I am an archer myself along with muzzy and rifle. It pisses me off when I hear of a guy that wounds and animal and acts like its no big deal. If you wound it and you cant find it. Might as well punch the tag! As far as archers wounding more animals? I really do not know the truth to that, but I do know that it happens with every weapon. People just need to take there time and aim! Thats the biggest problem. Most guys are worried it's going to run away. Just my opinion. Take it for what its worth.
 
I think poor shots are taken regularly in the field. That is why I said it happens way too often.
I believe there are just as many crappy shots taken with a rifle.
I also believe there are way to many guys wounding animals and then continuing to hunt.
Like I said, if you hit an animal be done.
I hope you went and had a chat with Mr. 175.
I would have.
 
Mr 175 is a reel #####!
Still think he should be banned for life from ever hunting again!
But He'll be StickFlippin next year with even a longer range Bow I'm sure!

Alp,
You know what I meant,you got an extra week of the Prime Rut,don't tell me they weren't tearin it up,I know better!
So you've manned up & You wounded another Bull too?
Your tag shoulda been punched!:D

Once again!
Yes,animals get wounded by every type of weapons,but if We knew for a fact exactly how man Big Bulls were wounded on LE Archery hunts alone it's enough to make most people sick & there is NO LE UNIT than can take this with the number of LE PERMITS there is today without major damage to the Units!

FIRE AWAY,SOME MORE!


I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
I wounded 20 bulls this year. My goal next year is 30. I don't punch my tag till a bull is down! Bopabobcat what makes me sick is you talking out of your a$$ about the archery hunt. Maybe we should outlaw the archery hunt and change the rifle hunt dates to July 1st to Dec 31st. That way you have your precious rut and a few extra months to kill your bull......obviously you need it. Get the archery hunters out of there because they damage the units way more than 95% success on the rifle hunt. Then we can limit the tags to 5 per unit so it will take two lifetimes to draw. That's a lot better solution. You and your mustache are really thinking this morning.
 
Well, I usually don't get involved in these rants but here I go. Must be getting too old and crabby these days. :)

Bobby, I've said it all along......Long range archery "shooting" will be the demise of archery only seasons in the future. I sit on a state archery board......game officials are watching folks.....trust me.....and they don't like what they're seeing.

Heck, there's even bowhunting videos being sold on this site where it seems the theme of the video is "acceptable" to shoot extreme ranges......even when they show animals lost and/or hit in less than desirable portions of the body.

Look, animals get wounded by all weapon types......even a close range sport like bowhunting (trust me I know)......but with a bow and arrow, I truly believe that number increases the longer the shot distance becomes.

An ARCHER sees how far he can get from his target and still hit it.......a BOWHUNTER sees how close he can get to his target before he hits it. We have far too many archers in the field this day and age, IMO.



BOHNTR )))---------->
 
In the harvest survey LE hunters are required to fill out it asks if there were any animals wounded but not recovered and how many. Not sure how many people honestly fill that one out, but there are some stats out there somewhere.
 
Unfortunately animals get wounded by all weapons, but far more are wounded on archery hunts. They way some of you guys deny it is crazy. Just face the facts and try to get your fellow archers to do a better job.

I believe that some animals hit by arrows have a better chance of survival than those hit by bullets. It just goes to show that arrows aren't nearly as effective as killing things if they're not put in the vitals.

I agree with the others that once blood is drawn your hunt should be over regardless of weapon! This would clear up a lot of the questionable shots guys take. I know it does on private lands with wounding policies.


"Dear MacGuyver, Enclosed is a rubber band, a paper clip, and a drinking straw. Please save my dog." Peter Griffin aka The Family Guy
 
Bobby keep exaggerating and pulling stuff outta your ass. We all know that you are an emotional creature and have hurt feelings because you haven't draw an LE Tag yet. One day you might draw don't worry little ##### cat.
 
+1 Bohuntr. But as long as we let them post up their crap they're going to use this forum and others for their self promotion. Hunters & these websites have to set the standards by which we hunt. If we silence the voices of those on these forums that threaten that which we love to do by their actions then maybe they'll get the message since their parents didn't feel it was necessary.

Bessy is completely right in that somebody has to tell these morons that they're 100% wrong for taking those types of shots. Not 99% not 89% but 100% wrong. I have absolutely no issues what so ever with a guy shooting 100 + yards at a fixed target with a bow but shooting at animals at that distance is beyond acceptable limits. These guys think everybody is full of hot air when you tell them that the F&G departments are watching this stuff very closely because they think in their mind, that it's right. Where does common sense enter into the equation? In todays world there's a mindset in that if you have a tag you have the right to shoot at any animal at any distance you deem OK with any legal weapon. If those that preceeded us would have hunted with that mindset the North American model of conservation wouldn't be in effect today.

Fact is they could make all the shots some attempt today with any weapon 50-100 years ago but didn't because they felt hunting was more important than just shooting. If everybody enters the field with a just shoot mindset what's going to happen to tag numbers and our opportunity in the future? Then we as hunters wonder why we see things eroding right before our eyes......and want to ##### about the quality of our hunting.

Hmm can't have it both ways can we and to think they figured it out well over 100 years ago and we still haven't learned why today. Funny how things evolve isn't it, we as hunters have huge issues with wolves eating our game uncontrolled yet don't give an ounce of thought to regulating ourselves from poor shot selection to help preserve huntings future, when bad shots take a much heavier toll on our game populations than old wolfy has to this point. Yet each presents a huge potential threat to huntings future that if not controlled will have a devastating effect to our huntable numbers and opportunity in the not too distant future.
 
AWB and BOHNTER said it best!

I can honestly say I have never lost an animal but I've only been carrying a gun/bow for 10 years. There's a few that woulda been gone if not for my dads tracking skills that he has passed on to me. He has also passed on the draw blood and that's your animal (proven on my moms le elk hunt this year). With my rifle 400 is my max and I don't like that shot but I'm very confident at that range. I started archery hunting 4 years ago and have killed either a deer or an elk every year. None farther than 14 yds. I have taken the gun away from people I was hunting with, they won't hunt with me anymore.

Its going to happen with any weapon. When you get this many people out hunting mistakes are going to be made. I hope I can keep my streak going, that's all I have control over. Well my boys will have the same values and respect as I do or they won't hunt! Plain and simple!
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I normally don't like to get in on these wonderful blame games, but Boskee, you are right.

We must call bull crap on long shooting whether with a rifle, muzzy or a bow. Sad thing is though, it can happen at any distance. Shots are blown, animals pay the price.

It is about teaching those around us to respect our quarry. It seems we have lost the respect and have a must kill at all costs or our friends will think we are a bad hunter. This is pathetic. But what are we to do?

How do you enforce a 1st blood/done attitude? You can't. It must be taught and be a part of your person. Ethics are not enforceable. The DWR can't possibly enforce this if they can't even enforce simple laws like shooting from a road, etc. They are spread too thin. We must deal with this problem head on. Educate these people.

Most of you know these guy's. The 500 yard rifle guy who has not shot his gun in a year, the bow shooter who bought a loc on sight and is "solid" out to 120 yards, or the muzzy shooter who can kill anything at 300 yards!

There is nothing more pathetic than seeing an animal with an arrow sticking out of it. OR see a animal with it's jaw missing or dragging a leg, or worse yet a leg missing. How about the pile of cows laying in the meadow with small holes through their ribs after the general rifle elk opener?

We can only point fingers so long. It is time for action and the only ones you can deal with are those in your camp or while on the mountain. Be proud of our heritage and stand up for what is right.
 
Some of the New TV shows hitting the air ways now promote long range shooting. Out to 1000 yards. thats over a 1/2 mile away.
I saw on a Eastman show the guys PRACTICING out to 70 yards with their bows.
Muzzleloaders advertizing shooting 250 yards and more.
Hate to see this. Then some people think they can too.
Primitive weapons have changed a lot in the last decade!!!
 
Some real good posts here and some real b.s. I have been an archer errr Bowhunter for past 15 to 20 years. Three weeks ago my Son posted a picture of me with a montana antelope that I shot with my bow at 59 yards [ I had time to range it] The post was ripped by a mm regular that suggested that I couldn't have possibly done this without wounding several by shooting at this extreme range. Well I do agree that this is at the far edge of my effective range capabilitiy. I shoot year round and practice out to 60 yards,no farther than that. Was I in the wrong? According to most who have expressed views here I was. IMHO the individual doing the shooting should know his or her effective shooting range and should never under any circumstance attempt a shot beyond that. A high percentage of hunters regardless of the weapon they hunt with attempt only ethical shots. A vocal minority are the boneheads that add fuel to this debate. Bowhunters will always take a bad rap for wounding mainly because they talk too much. All hunters need to learn what they can do with the weapon they choose and please stay within your effective range!
 
Right on BOHNTR!

I've got alot of RESPECT for you & many of my Friends!
If all StickFlippers were like you BOHNTR there'd be at least 100 less wounded/unrecovered Bulls in TARDVILLE this year!

Once again for the THICKHEADS on this thread,I have nothing against Ethical Archery Hunters whatsoever,TARDS using all & any weapons wound way more Game than they should due to careless,selfish,foolish & UN-ETHICAL Sportsmanship!

Kinda funny how a few of you can't handle the Truth & are about to blow an overload!

Several MM'ers have manned up & admit they wounded Bulls & have done everything in their power to recover the animals,sometimes it ends up being just a recovery of the rack,I have alot of respect for the Archery hunters that have done this,they gave their all!

FIRE AWAY,SOME MORE!

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
Have you got that new 200 yard pin for your Bow?
 
BBop, keep preaching! Everything you said is true, but some people refuse to listen. Like you said, if even one person reads this and thinks next time before taking the shot....it is worth it!

Eel
 
Just today I talked to a guy at work who said

"Oh man I missed the nicest buck today up near Salt Lake, he was at least 110 yards away though"

I just do not get it!

For me it is: Rifle out to 300 yards, Muzzle Loader to 150 yards, and a bow out to 50 yards.

I just cannot get it done beyond that.
 
You can't shoot that far but many others can. I practice archery out to 100 yards more than I do 20. I practice muzzle loader out to 300. I practice rifle out to 600. I take the shot at what I can make. Most often never have to shoot past 10 to 20 yards. I like to get very close. Wounding animals has to do with shooting past your range, what ever that is. Some people shouldn't shoot a rifle past 100 or if all. Half the people should not be able to hunt with any weapon.
 
I practice at those distances also. But I just cannot get an animal to stand broadside on level ground and not move when I release at 100 yards. So I stick to practicing at 100 and killing at 50.
I shoot my rifle at 400 pretty well, but I will be darned if I can ever get a good enough rest out in the steep slopes to feel confident at that distance. I am sure there are guys that have gotten it done at this distances.
 
>What a load of crap!!!
>Just a bunch of stat's
>gettin pulled out yer ass's
>and thrown out there like
>it's some sorta fact!!!


+1 1 shot, 1 kill for me.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-30-10 AT 03:02PM (MST)[p]Maybe 3 bulls per archer in Utah. They should make you all guys wear orange year round. If your eyes were farther apart you wouldnt see double everytime you look down your sights.
 
I agree B-Bop. I also know a few wounded by rifle hunters that thought they could. It's too bad that it happens. Some people have read the little blue engine that could one too many times. I think I can I think I can I think I can. Instead all should say I know I won't. Be smart, hunt ethically. If you don't know what ethically is then don't hunt at all. Bow hunt had the yardages nailed down if there are any questions. If you don't agree shoot your long shots at coyotes and let the rest of us enjoy the hunt.
 
One thing that hasn't been mentioned and is how many of these long range archers were putting in for Rifle hunts last year and decided to switch just this year so they could finally draw. Is it possible that some of these long shots are due to uneducated bow hunters?

AKA RIFLE HUNTERS IN CAMO
 
its because archers, are more skilled at hunting; the stock, the acuracy, the nerves, the paitance, the practice, and people that cant hunt with a bow, are haters! but anybody who pic's up a bow is not a archer.
 
I'm not surprised at all. Did anyone read the article in Hunting Illustrated recently of the Utard who made a 90+ yard shot at a huge buck. They couldn't find it that day and went back the next day to find it and to that Tards surprise it was still alive! Hello Jackass, you just made a 90+ yard bow shot at a deer and you're surprised you only wounded it! What a Jackass. Oh yea the dude says he has pins out to 100 yards on his bow. He's lucky he even found that deer.
 

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