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http://wildlife.utah.gov/dwr/office...cation-of-man-involved-in-elk-harassment.html
Guy in Springville UT chasing elk with a German Shepard.
Guy in Springville UT chasing elk with a German Shepard.
Anyone know him?
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Little2Feather
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Must be one hell of a shed dog! Always wondered exactly how they trained them.
"Pics or it didn't happen!"
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I can't believe you guys don't already recognize him.... its Santa in the off season. Looking fit and staying trim...
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-13 AT 05:35PM (MST)[p]And trying to catch his reindeer!
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The Southern TARDville Mountain Man getting his next Meal so he can camp out in BIGJOHNS Cabin!
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Looks like Kenny Rogers!
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Damn houndsman!
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Holy cow it is the Most interesting man from dos equis...stay thirsty my friends.
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DougW
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maybe one of the best of the west/gunwerks guys can dial in at 800 and drop him in his tracks. Then identification could be easier.
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jmagee84
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just wondering how he managed to elude the wildlife officers when there was 6 inches of snow on the ground? They must have really put an effort in
jmagee,
"They must have really put an effort in."
Really? The article stated the following, "When officers attempted to make contact with the man, he called his dog off and ran east into the canyon."
Yes, there was snow on the ground, but I have some questions for you.
Would you expect that a game warden/ police officer to risk their safety/life going after someone for a non-violent offense? Would you expect them to go into an unknown/ dangerous canyon after someone with an obviously aggressive dog who may or may not have a gun ready to ambush them in an unfamiliar area? Would you expect that same warden to go into an area where they are at a huge disadvantage against the suspect without extra back up? Do you think their job is easy? Would you risk your life for an elk?
How about you visit this web site and spend an hour looking at and reading the stories about law enforcement officers and game wardens who gave their lives to enforce laws and protect the public. http://www.odmp.org/
Look at the big picture, they got a photograph of the guy, why would they risk serious injury or their lives for an elk?
I would not expect you to.....
"They must have really put an effort in."
Really? The article stated the following, "When officers attempted to make contact with the man, he called his dog off and ran east into the canyon."
Yes, there was snow on the ground, but I have some questions for you.
Would you expect that a game warden/ police officer to risk their safety/life going after someone for a non-violent offense? Would you expect them to go into an unknown/ dangerous canyon after someone with an obviously aggressive dog who may or may not have a gun ready to ambush them in an unfamiliar area? Would you expect that same warden to go into an area where they are at a huge disadvantage against the suspect without extra back up? Do you think their job is easy? Would you risk your life for an elk?
How about you visit this web site and spend an hour looking at and reading the stories about law enforcement officers and game wardens who gave their lives to enforce laws and protect the public. http://www.odmp.org/
Look at the big picture, they got a photograph of the guy, why would they risk serious injury or their lives for an elk?
I would not expect you to.....
jmagee,
Here is a link specifically for you. Was it worth his life?...... http://www.odmp.org/officer/18261-conservation-officer-jon-christopher-draper
Do you think this may be why they did not follow the man?
Here is a link specifically for you. Was it worth his life?...... http://www.odmp.org/officer/18261-conservation-officer-jon-christopher-draper
Do you think this may be why they did not follow the man?
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thebroker
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Have they caught him yet does anyone know obviously he is a local. Simple print the photos make a wanted poster and post them around town Walmart and other places then he will get caught quick
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Nice work, whoever you are!
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jmagee84
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-08-13 AT 04:02PM (MST)[p]Hey ss13 Yes as a matter of fact I would expect them to find someone that they think might be a danger to wildlife and the public. Who's to say that the nutt job in question isn't going to hurt someone hiking or checking out the wildlife in that canyon. Aren't the fish and wildlife officer supposed to protect and serve the public along with our resources!!!? You gotta strike when the iron is hot and the tracks are fresh if you ask me. You must must be having a bad day or something because for a question like that to set you off?
I read the second link and though that is a tragic story and my hat is off to that man for his commitment to his job. I really doubt that they would send in one LEO to check this guy out.
I read the second link and though that is a tragic story and my hat is off to that man for his commitment to his job. I really doubt that they would send in one LEO to check this guy out.
jmagee,
Bad day, no. In fact this is day 1 of a 3 day weekend for me!
I do take offense to people who make snap judgments or public statements about the decisions police officers (Game Wardens included) make, even though they do not know the facts or protocols they were following. You see this quite often with public media across the country.
To answer your question. "Aren't the fish and wildlife officer supposed to protect and serve the public along with our resources!!!??" Yes, they take an oath to serve and protect. Nowhere in the oath does it say anything about taking unnecessary risks or putting their life in danger for an elk which was harassed.
I would be willing to be that same Warden would enter that canyon without hesitation if the suspect committed a violent crime or was wanted by the law. He would also enter the canyon if you or I was injured/trapped and in need of help.
In this case the Warden had all the evidence he needed by taking a photograph of the suspect. Days later the suspect was identified and prosecuted for the offense. Case closed. I feel the Warden did a great job and would not expect him/her to handle the situation any differently in the future.
To end my little rant I have another link to click on. It is Paul Harvey?s take on Police Officers. Listen carefully to the words, then sit and think about them a bit. Remember, Police are humans too; they laugh, they cry, they bleed and they have families. They are doing the work that most will not do. They have to make quick decisions and yes, sometime will choose wrong. They are highly trained and will protect and serve without question.
Bad day, no. In fact this is day 1 of a 3 day weekend for me!
I do take offense to people who make snap judgments or public statements about the decisions police officers (Game Wardens included) make, even though they do not know the facts or protocols they were following. You see this quite often with public media across the country.
To answer your question. "Aren't the fish and wildlife officer supposed to protect and serve the public along with our resources!!!??" Yes, they take an oath to serve and protect. Nowhere in the oath does it say anything about taking unnecessary risks or putting their life in danger for an elk which was harassed.
I would be willing to be that same Warden would enter that canyon without hesitation if the suspect committed a violent crime or was wanted by the law. He would also enter the canyon if you or I was injured/trapped and in need of help.
In this case the Warden had all the evidence he needed by taking a photograph of the suspect. Days later the suspect was identified and prosecuted for the offense. Case closed. I feel the Warden did a great job and would not expect him/her to handle the situation any differently in the future.
To end my little rant I have another link to click on. It is Paul Harvey?s take on Police Officers. Listen carefully to the words, then sit and think about them a bit. Remember, Police are humans too; they laugh, they cry, they bleed and they have families. They are doing the work that most will not do. They have to make quick decisions and yes, sometime will choose wrong. They are highly trained and will protect and serve without question.
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jmagee84
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To end you're little rant my Dad and my uncle are both Police officers. So do the rest of the world a favor and please don't talk down to or rant at people on forums that you do not know. It seems extremely stupid to me that someone else's opinion of a situation can cause such a distortion in peoples little universe that they think they have to try and change that persons opinion by aggressively trying to force it on them? Just so you know I still disagree with you. Have a good 3 day weekend
LAST EDITED ON Feb-08-13 AT 09:15PM (MST)[p]Good they got the guy and I agree that they did all they needed to do the way they did it with his picture. Maybe our aggressive member should ask his Father and Uncle if they would have gone in there on a non-egregious violation that this was, rather than handle it exactly the way it was done.
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Why the #$#$% would an officer follow a guy into the canyon.
Great move by the officers to stay safe, and get him later.
Keep in mind he was bugging elk, not shooting people.
Give me a break, you want the FG to pursue the guy into the hills over this...GEEZ! DUMB
Great move by the officers to stay safe, and get him later.
Keep in mind he was bugging elk, not shooting people.
Give me a break, you want the FG to pursue the guy into the hills over this...GEEZ! DUMB
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DougW
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I got news for you bowhunt, if he's "bugging elk" then he's bugging people (a lot of people), and it's illegal. Interesting how you are downplaying the whole thing.
Your solution is exactly what the idiots who let their dogs harass elk want....then they know there is no enforcement if they just sneak away. My guess is there are a LOT of folks on this forum who would follow the idiot into a canyon, cave, back home, wherever, because he's breaking the law.
Why pursue him? because it's the job definition of the state game dept. That's why they're paid to do what they do, last time i checked. They all know the risk up front. They also are carrying at least 2 weapons of choice. And radios for backup.
Cops...same argument.
Here's a safer alternative: I say let the game managers shoot the dog. That's the old way things used to work when I grew up. If the dogs ran deer in the woods, they got shot, no questions asked. Then the owners thought twice about letting their "pets" out uncontrolled.
All of the western game depts. list winter harassment by "pets" as one of the major contributors to mortality of big game. That "bugs" me a lot bowhunt.
Your solution is exactly what the idiots who let their dogs harass elk want....then they know there is no enforcement if they just sneak away. My guess is there are a LOT of folks on this forum who would follow the idiot into a canyon, cave, back home, wherever, because he's breaking the law.
Why pursue him? because it's the job definition of the state game dept. That's why they're paid to do what they do, last time i checked. They all know the risk up front. They also are carrying at least 2 weapons of choice. And radios for backup.
Cops...same argument.
Here's a safer alternative: I say let the game managers shoot the dog. That's the old way things used to work when I grew up. If the dogs ran deer in the woods, they got shot, no questions asked. Then the owners thought twice about letting their "pets" out uncontrolled.
All of the western game depts. list winter harassment by "pets" as one of the major contributors to mortality of big game. That "bugs" me a lot bowhunt.
Im sure the warden would of went after someone who poached one of those elk. Whats the difference? There is none, just lucky it turned out the way it did so hes still not out there harassing animals. I hope he doesnt rely on this method for all law violations.
Yep, they really screwed this one up! They should have called in the black helicopters with a SWAT team and dogged his azz all over that canyon, LOL! Gentlemen, there is what is called following proper protocol in police work and I doubt what was described was out of line for the violation encountered. It's very funny sometimes listening to armchair quarterbacks who don't have a clue how certain situations are supposed to be handled!
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CaptainJack
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-13 AT 02:28PM (MST)[p]So as I was looking through the photo gallery of all the contest winners I thought I saw someone familiar that involves this post. LOOK at the guy in the middle of the second picture in the CONTEST WINNER FOR UNIQUE ANIMAL. I think its labeled black hills ram. I think it is the same guy that got caught by the police here. What are your thoughts? same guy? I am not sure but it seemed to me that its the same person. Not that it matters but I just thought it was interesting.
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>LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-13
>AT 02:28?PM (MST)
>
>So as I was looking through
>the photo gallery of all
>the contest winners I thought
>I saw someone familiar that
>involves this post. LOOK at
>the guy in the middle
>of the second picture in
>the CONTEST WINNER FOR UNIQUE
>ANIMAL. I think its labeled
>black hills ram. I think
>it is the same guy
>that got caught by the
>police here. What are your
>thoughts? same guy? I am
>not sure but it seemed
>to me that its the
>same person. Not that it
>matters but I just thought
>it was interesting.
It sure does look like the same guy, including his extremely white teeth.
>AT 02:28?PM (MST)
>
>So as I was looking through
>the photo gallery of all
>the contest winners I thought
>I saw someone familiar that
>involves this post. LOOK at
>the guy in the middle
>of the second picture in
>the CONTEST WINNER FOR UNIQUE
>ANIMAL. I think its labeled
>black hills ram. I think
>it is the same guy
>that got caught by the
>police here. What are your
>thoughts? same guy? I am
>not sure but it seemed
>to me that its the
>same person. Not that it
>matters but I just thought
>it was interesting.
It sure does look like the same guy, including his extremely white teeth.
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DougW
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To quote the UDWR, once again:
"....regarding a man allowing his German shepherd to harass and hold a bull elk at bay.
When officers arrived, they observed the unidentified man allowing his dog to hold the bull elk on a small ledge. Witnesses said that the man and his dog had been harassing the elk for approximately 30 minutes.
When officers attempted to make contact with the man, he called his dog off and ran east into the canyon."
Just curious tracker12: What is your suggestion for his penalty for this? a $50 fine? My guess is the UDWR has a different perception of the level of problem here than yours.
"....regarding a man allowing his German shepherd to harass and hold a bull elk at bay.
When officers arrived, they observed the unidentified man allowing his dog to hold the bull elk on a small ledge. Witnesses said that the man and his dog had been harassing the elk for approximately 30 minutes.
When officers attempted to make contact with the man, he called his dog off and ran east into the canyon."
Just curious tracker12: What is your suggestion for his penalty for this? a $50 fine? My guess is the UDWR has a different perception of the level of problem here than yours.
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And you read the account of this in the news paper right. And you believe everything the news paper said. I have not seen many German shepherds that are trained to keep elk at bay then leave when the owner calls. What I am trying to say here is I think a lot of the story is B.S.
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DougW
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I totally agree with you on possible media inaccuracies; what I read was only the link at the top of this thread, and the follow- up (in the thread) where the UDWR thanked the public for the ID of this guy.
if this was BS, then why would the UDWR come back with the thank-you and state that they had found the guy?
I've seen dogs chase and corner elk before, and they will corner them but not get too close, fearing a hoof in the head. I also do know there are shock collars used to train dogs to respond to being called off. The main problem is when free-running dogs run across a fawn or calf, at which point they sometimes kill or injure them. It's not necessarily the fault of the dog, but the owner is responsible and that's why uncontrolled dogs are illegal in most places (in CO anyways).
Any theories on why someone is lying, if that's the case ??
if this was BS, then why would the UDWR come back with the thank-you and state that they had found the guy?
I've seen dogs chase and corner elk before, and they will corner them but not get too close, fearing a hoof in the head. I also do know there are shock collars used to train dogs to respond to being called off. The main problem is when free-running dogs run across a fawn or calf, at which point they sometimes kill or injure them. It's not necessarily the fault of the dog, but the owner is responsible and that's why uncontrolled dogs are illegal in most places (in CO anyways).
Any theories on why someone is lying, if that's the case ??
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hey captn' Jack,
I don't think it's the same guy. The guy in the ram photo has a '5' head. The elk chaser looks like he has a pony tail.
I don't think it's the same guy. The guy in the ram photo has a '5' head. The elk chaser looks like he has a pony tail.
