Utah 2008 Big Game Proclamation/Application

N

NoDak

Guest
Have they been posted on Utah's website yet and I missed it? When is the deadline to apply? I am aware of the additional charges to apply this year. I don't like it, but have come to terms with the fact that it is going to cost some money to get into the game. I have nine non-resident elk points and don't want to take a chance on missing the draw. Thank you for your help.
 
you're way green yet, the deadline is after the first of the year by a pretty good chunk. Proc isn't even out yet that I'm aware of. Good luck in drawing however, you lucky nine point having @#$%^&*!
 
Should be out within the next week or two if they follow years past.

Hard to believe it's decision time again.
 
should be online by the end of this week...thats what I was told by there information officer in Ogden.....hard copys by the 28th of december
 
I need to find out if the LE bow bull hunters get an extra week like has been posted or if it is just the same dates with the bow spike hunters loosing the last week.

Kind of exciting to see what is new or changed.

Robb
 
>I need to find out if
>the LE bow bull hunters
>get an extra week like
>has been posted or if
>it is just the same
>dates with the bow spike
>hunters loosing the last week.
>
>
>Kind of exciting to see what
>is new or changed.
>
>Robb

Robb, spike hunters did NOT lose ANY days!

PRO


Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
PRO,

Without seeing the final proclamation it is hard to tell, but from published press releases the archery spike/cow hunters did lose the last week of the hunt. The number of days didn't change, as the opener was moved up to coincide with the deer hunt. Given that the end of the season was just beginning to get into the main rut, it is a loss for the spike hunters. Not a huge deal, but there is a "loss" of one week in September, with a "gain" of one week in mid August. Obviously most hunters would rather have the September week. (And of course the trophy bull hunters like having the extra week in September!)

We'll see what the regs say when they finally come out, but this is how I interpret the reports so far.

Bill
 
Bill. since I helped write the proposed changes I KNOW what was passed. Yes the spike hunt was moved to different days, but they did NOT lose any days, they still get 23 days. I am curious why the rut would be benefit for spike hunters?

The LE and open bull area archers get an additional 5 days to hunt, with the LE archery tag holders on the spike only units get 5 days w/o spike hunters bumping the elk. Why the heartburn?

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
Pro,

Is the archery deer hunt still going to be going on during that last week?

Hope they get the proc out soon. I need some new reading material!
 
Holy cow prout you sure jump to defend,
but I believe they are right.
The archery spike hunters would
lose the 5 days at the end of
the hunt that they had last year.
But they will still get there 23 days.


Correct me if I am wrong to me
which I am sure you will.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-07 AT 04:18PM (MST)[p]Prism, the archery deer hunt dates are unchanged from last year, it still opens the third Saturday of August and closes 28 days later.

HNTBIGBULLS, just setting the record straight. I spent a lot of time and energy on this proposal, I attended 2 RAC's and the ALL day Wildlife Board meeting. Anis Auide got phone CALLS after he posted a readers digest version out on the DWR homepage that had some mis-information. He assured us the final draft will be as approved by the Wildlife Board. I guess tech., spike hunters 'lost' five days on the end, but then why omit the FACT they 'GAINED' five days on the front? We put this proposal out on here and other hunting forums for feedback, the over-whelming MAJORITY that bothered to respond, here and in person were in FAVOR of what was proposed and PASSED. To complain afterwards in nonsensical! We held public meetings, posted it here, proposed it at the RAC's, all BEFORE it was proposed at the Wildlife Board. Then the Board asked many questions, and THEY voted to approve it. That is how the process works. If you SHOW UP, you get to have a say in policy!

I also notice you left out where those who hunt the any-bull units get a 28 day hunt now, instead of only 23 days like in 2007. Same goes for the LE archery elk hunters. All this GAIN, yet still folks complain, WTH?

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
To clarify a little better Prism, the archery deer and elk will open and close the same days, except for the archery spike hunt, which will close five days earlier. Hope that clears a few things up.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-07 AT 05:28PM (MST)[p]Pro,
Good job! Those extra 5 days at the end for the LE hunts is a big step in the right direction. Wish I had those 5 days when I had a tag. Maybe I would have been eating something besides tag soup. LOL It's fun to see something move in the right direction for a change. Maybe there is hope yet to make huntn big bulls more than a once in a lifetime opportunity.
 
Repeat there are NO extra 5 days at the end, it's just 5 days without the spike hunters correct???
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-07 AT 05:46PM (MST)[p]It's 5 days for spike elk and 5 days for spike deer, an extra 5 days for spike moose and antelope....:) Mountain goats and sheep are excluded until further scientific studies show they can sustain the extra 5 spike only days that weren't taken from the beggining or the end of the 28 days.

And NO hunter orange is required. Oh yeah, and more bull elk will be harvested in these 5 days because scientific studies show the majority of harvest takes place in 5 days, not 9 or more......
 
Funny stuff Prism!

"Repeat there are NO extra 5 days at the end, it's just 5 days without the spike hunters correct???"

The hunt starts 5 days EARLIER and ends the same time, so there is five MORE days to hunt. There is NO way to move the archery hunt further into September as long as the any-weapon hunt is where it is, getting that moved statewide is akin to swallowing a hippo whole. In 2007, the LE hunt was 23 days, in 2008 it will be 28 days. LE archery elk hunters and any-bull archery elk hunters GAINED 5 more days to hunt!

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
I think the confusion is coming from extra 5 days and 28/23 days ect.

Bowhunters read extra and 28 days-- they are looking at actual calendar days into sept 19th.....

The factual days are 5 extra in mid-August--16th..

The spike hunters drop 5 days on those units for the 300-ish LE bow bull tag holders res/non-res..that knew when they apply that it was a bow spike hunter unit..
I do not recall anyone ever/on any thread, compaining that they could not hunt a spike in the rut?? that phrase is made up and abused.

The Majority certainly did support the UBA proposal but the Majority did not get what the proposal requested.
We did not get the extra days that would overlap the Youth Rifle hunts on the General units thru Sept 19 in '08...kind of in exchange for the lost 5 days for the bow spike hunters.

Many-many other guys went to RAC meeting in support of this proposal but we did not get it.... extra late-- just extra early-- mid August.

Alot of folks tryed but it just did not go as all wished.... or hoped for.

Sometimes no matter how many folks or how much time and effort are put in....it just doesn't pan out..... but ya gotta try.

Robb
 
Robb,

I hear what you are saying. Overall, this change is far from a crisis, but the overwhelming number of archery elk hunters (cow/spike) had their opportunity decreased. Not by a chnage in the number of days, but by starting the season earlier. Of course it is more difficult to hunt elk effectively in the middle of August as opposed to September. Should we move the spike hunt back even further, say into July? I don't think so.

I was surprised when Proutdoors jumped on your initial response. And I guess I don't see why he continues to be so defensive...

It is clear this is a big change for those who draw a limited entry tag. They actually do get an extra 5 days, giving them more time to harvest one of the big bulls. As I am closing in on the points required to draw a premium tag very soon, this will benefit me for one year. But as everyone knows, drawing a LE elk tag in a great area is effectively a once in a lifetime expereince. For the rest of my hunting seasons, I won't be hunting elk very far into September, at least in Utah. And speaking as someone who enjoys the hunt every bit as much as the size of the rack, there is nothing better than chasing elk in the high country in mid september when the leaves are turning and the nights are brisk. Is that so hard to understand?

Bill
 
"Overall, this change is far from a crisis, but the overwhelming number of archery elk hunters (cow/spike) had their opportunity decreased. Not by a chnage in the number of days, but by starting the season earlier. Of course it is more difficult to hunt elk effectively in the middle of August as opposed to September. Should we move the spike hunt back even further, say into July? I don't think so."

Sorry, but I disagree 100%. I say it is EASIER to hunt spikes/cows in mid August than in mid September. They are not split into smaller groups by the herd bulls yet, they come into water more often/regular, the spikes haven't been chased off by the big bulls yet. I can call spikes in year round, but during the rut is the most difficult time to call spikes in, in my experience of calling in elk for over 20 years. The success rate for archery spike hunters is between 5-10%, I seriously doubt the success rates will change much, and if it does, I predict it will be HIGHER success rates.

The LE archery hunters on spike units have gotten the short end of the stick since archery tags were introduced in 2004, no other LE elk hunters have to compete with spike hunters, NONE! Would I love to see the LE archery hunt pushed back later into September? Of course, but how? The LE any-weapon hunt starts the very next day, I do NOT hear them volunteering to start their hunt later in September.

You want to know why I get "so defensive"? Because people spout off w/o knowing/telling all the FACTS, and/or complain about things AFTER the deed(s) is done. The time for feedback was BEFORE the proposal was made, not after.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-24-07 AT 11:12AM (MST)[p]thanks

arrgh, "The 2008 permit numbers will be set by the Wildlife Board after the application period and before the big game drawing
so biologists can use up-to-date harvest and population census data."

going to have to look at last years numbers.
 
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I doubt there are many other archers on this site who would trade a week in September for a week in mid August. And I guess I now know I will have to be ever vigilant about other archers wanting to "help" me by moving the season back even earlier.

Bill
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-25-07 AT 04:59AM (MST)[p]Lets hunt some elk for the extra early week!

Merry Christmas!

Robb
 

Click-a-Pic ... Details & Bigger Photos
Back
Top Bottom