Wasatch Opening Day Rifle Bull

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-08 AT 07:13PM (MST)[p]Here's an exciting, and true, story that some of you will debate the ethics of for quite some time. Why? Because Chad put this bull elk down at an honest 973 laser yards. Believe it or not here is the story of my cousin - Chad's - Wasatch opening day limited entry rifle elk hunt.

Like all other fortunate limited entry tag holders Chad's hunt started back in April when he found out he had drawn an elk tag that had taken him several years to draw. Family and friends were given the news by text message from Chad that same day.

From April until this past Saturday Chad and various family and friends spent all their spare time scouting for a bull that he would consider dropping the hammer on. Several nice bulls were spotted and monitored over the summer months. During the August time frame Chad had limited his choices down to two or three bulls in an area where he had pretty much hunted all of his life. The only challenge being getting close enough to make a shot that would kill the bull of his choice. These bulls were in long deep canyons covered with thick brush, trees and rock slides. Putting on a quick stock would not be possible. Getting a 500 yard shot would be the best we could ask for.

The evening before the hunt found Chad and one of his brothers in law in a canyon sizing up a couple of the bulls on his dream list. One was a nice 6x6 that might have scored 350 or so. The other one was also a big 6x6 with nice fourths and very tall but not very wide. He may have scored around 330 or so. By seven thirty they had seen enough to know those two bulls would live to die another day, and they headed back to camp.

The alarm went off in the Wall tent at 3:45 am on opening morning. After being dropped off at the trail-head We started our hike at 4:15 am. By 6:30 am we were in our pass glassing a couple of elk heards... none of which contained the 360-370 class 7x7 bull found a month earlier. We worked our way down the ridge glassing the steep canyons on both sides. Still no sign of the bull we were hoping to catch up with. At 7:15 am we spotted a bull with two cows feeding up and close to the top of a ridge across from were we were. It was the bull Chad was looking for. The big 7x7 with huge forths, and extra long G2 and plenty of width. We didn't have much time to decide what we wanted to do because the elk were headed for the top and would move into the next canyon off Forest Service land onto a private ranch.

The bull of choice was much further away than antisipated... by almost another 500 yards. The Bushnell range finder zeroed him at 973 yards where he stood feeding in the sun. Chad had shot at this distance before, but only at paper targets. Chad felt confident he could make the shot. He wanted the big 7x7 he had been watching over the past month. We quickly set up a solid rest from our day packs and got him into a comfortable prone position. We again ranged the bull and found him at the same distance he was before. We dialed the custom Leupold 6.5-20x30mm scope to 975 yards and loaded a .300 Remington Ultra Mag cartridge into the Christensen Arms custom rifle. Chad settled in to take the shot while the other three of us watched anxiously through the various optics we had.

We had little to no wind so no corrections were made to compensate. The scopes cross-hairs were held steady on the bulls shoulder when the first round was sent cracking through the crisp morning air. No movement from the big bull. He just kept feeding like nothing had happened. Chad sent a second round with the same results as the first. We couldn't tell were the bullets were hitting. From our target experience we thought that if anything we might be shooting under him. Chad held the horizontal cross hair on the bulls back and the vertical cross hair lined up with the front shoulder. After a pause that seemed like eternity the stillness of the morning was again filled with the crack of the rifle. There was no question about the third shot. A puff of dust came from the 7x7's shoulder as the bullet hit home to drop the bull and send him rolling into the aspen trees below.

The only thing we could all say was "Wow, Holy Cow"! and a few other things that people say when wild things like that happen.

It took us two hours to get over to the place the big bull elk was standing when he was hit. We didn't find him right away like we thought we should. We found the trashed brush and dirt where he tumbled down the mountain, but no bull. Imagine our gut feelings at the time. We spread out and started combing the patch of aspens for signs of blood and whatever else would lead us to the prize that had been shot at almost a thousand yards two hours earlier. We all had our noses to the ground when the report of the rifle slapped our ear drums and told us Chad had found the prize. The bull was still alive but couldn't move anything but his massive head and antlers. The shot had placed a hole through the heart and the middle of both lungs and the bull was relieved of any further suffering.

The big 7x7 was dropped at 7:30 am. With the help of several very good friends we had the meat, cape and antlers packed to the truck by 6:30 pm. What an awesome day on the mountain with family and friends. We'll post a score when we find someone that knows what they are doing.

For you gun nuts and ballistic experts we were using a custom .300 Remington Ultra Mag put together by Christensen Arms in Fayette, Utah. We were using a custom Leupold 6.5-20x30mm Long Range Scope with bullet compensation target turett specifically designed for our cartridge load. We were shooting a 180 grain Nosler Accubond bullet in front of a Federal GM215M primer and 96.0 grains of Reloader 25 powder. The muzzle velocity is 3,400 fps. The bullet velocity was at around 1,700 fps and the foot pounds of energy was at around 1,150 when it hit the animal. The bullet passed completely through the animal as you will see in the pics. In one of the pics you will also see the far ridge where the shot was taken from.

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Ide rather see people that know their equipment and have put in the time at the range take a 973 yard shot than the dude who pull grandpas trusty old 30 30 from the closet shoots one round down the barrel before the season starts take a 300 yard shot.

Can't argue with your success, way to go and a nice bull to boot.
 
Very nice bull. How about that 300 Ultra. I'm hoping to try my 300 Ultra out in Wyoming on my unit #100 bull in October. Thanks for sharing the story and the pictures. Keeps me some what sane waiting for my hunts to start!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-08 AT 07:42PM (MST)[p]Very nice bull! Thank you for sharing! Looks like a dandy! To each his own huh? Tell Chad Congrats!


*** Edit *** Did the 1st shot break his back?

Chad
 
Have done similar on cows, right about that yardage same gun. Good shot, For those whom whine, tell them to get a 300 RUM and learn to shoot it. Bill
 
That bull looks pretty dead to me?

Nice bull and congrats! I really enjoyed my Utah hunt and I love to see others with the same opportunity I had at monster bulls. You did well! Nicely done.
 
Wow kool story, I've been shooting long range all my life, but not over 500yrds...
 
Great story! If you have the equipment and the experience, there is no reason why you can't be successful at long range.

Nice bull.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I'm not sure hitting 1 out of 3 shots would constitute great shooting. Hmmm. Seems a bit beyond his comfort range. Nice bull though, congrats.
 
Nice shot! Looks like some rough, rugged, steep country. I'd probably try a long distance shot too. (Very beautiful country though.) What a fun experience it must've been. Very nice bull. Way to go!
Jenn
 
Funny how people react to differently to each story of long range shooting. The guy obviously is a gun nut and knows his stuff, but as Feleno put it one out of three is not good shooting in my book. (at any distance)
Either way to each their own- great bull and I'm sure its a memory that will last a lifetime- I'm sure you certainly waited long enough to get that chance. Congrats!
 
I'm with Feleno on this one. Missing the first two shots would have really bothered me as a hunter. I've done some long range shooting, and I don't have any problem with it when it is done by someone who has put in the time and practice and is capable of pulling off a shot like that. Anything can happen at that distance, so I would probably pass on that shot unless I was 100% confident of a lethal hit on the first shot. I'm glad it worked out for you and I offer my congratulations on a successful hunt, but I feel kind of bad that the animal had to suffer for two hours waiting for you to get there to finish him off.
 
Super bull, and good shooting.

But at what point is an animal safely out of gun range? At what point has the animal won the hunter vs animal chase? As technology brings us better guns, scopes, ranging devices, etc., where do we draw the line on what is acceptable to still call it hunting?
 
Funny how people react to differently to each story of long range shooting. The guy obviously is a gun nut and knows his stuff, but as Feleno put it one out of three is not good shooting in my book. (at any distance)
Either way to each their own- great bull and I'm sure its a memory that will last a lifetime- I'm sure you certainly waited long enough to get that chance. Congrats!


+1

Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
I call BS!!!! No bushnell could accurately read 975 yards;-) :D

Not really sure about how a bull could still be alive after two hours with the heart and both lungs hit????

Congrats on the bull, but not on the shooting.....

SS
 
I have been a closet MM reader for a long time. This post is very near and dear to me and stimulated me to make my 1st post. I too, am a long range shooter, an avid hunter and a long-term elk guide from the great state of Wyoming. This morning I was out with my 24 year old son testing new loads for my .300 RUM. My new load is 86.5 grains of IMR 7828 with a 200 gr. Nosler Accubond Remington 9 1/2 M primer at 3100 f.p.s.
Gallon milk jugs were gimmes this morning at 530 yards.

I don't question the ethics or the ability of the hunter who killed his bull at 973 yards, as obviously he has done his homework, has state of the art equipment and is very competent with it. I must, however, agree with ShaneR. at some point we must consider that at ultra-long ranges, we are no longer hunters, but that we have become snipers.

Last year on a back country elk hunt I had a perfect dead rest
for a 630 yard shot on a 340 class bull. After much soul searching and watching him for over 20 minutes I declined the shot. I was 100% sure that I could make the shot on this bull
but decided that if I couldn't get closer I didn't want to take him. A closer shot never presented itself and I ended up shooting a lesser bull 10 days later at 190 yards. I still feel good that I didn't take the shot as I believe it would have made me a sniper rather than a hunter.

Each of us has to make these decisions as the opportunity presents itself. Congratulations to Chad on a great bull with a great shot. Best of luck to all of you on your hunts this year. I hope to post from time to time now that I am no longer a closet MMer.
 
Congratulations on a fabulous shot!!! To each is there own!! I'm not capable of a shot like that, if I were I would take it in a heart beat!!
 
It sounded like he made a spine hit (high shoulder) which paralized the bull. Then the hunter ended it with a shot to the heart/lungs.
 
Bull unofficially scored 973!

Regardless, I'd be proud and looking forward to all the excitement of your post hunt with your family. The stories you'll tell and share. Looks like you had plenty of family and friends to help you out. That is what makes if fun.

I learned that posting on MM your going to get the "50/50 treatment". 50% love ya, the other 50% hate ya. That's just the nature of the internet and personal opinions.

Thanks for allowing me to see your pictures of you bull. I like looking at all the photos and reading all the stories. I go through magazines way too quickly and the internet gives me something new each day to turn to.

Thanks again

Midnight
 
>Bull scores 373 and some change.
>


I don't know if we trust your scoring abilities ;) Just kidding Bro. Looks like Chad had some ugly looking pack mules helping. Nice "BULL" Chad
 
>I call BS!!!! No bushnell
>could accurately read 975 yards;-)
>:D

Exactly what I was thinking... time to invest in a Leica :)

congrats on the bull.

as far as shooting vs sniping, with a gun it's a coinflip. Still fun, though...

Oh, you really ought to try the 200gr AB's if you're going to shoot past 700 yards or so. They've got a nice BC.
 
I'll add my two-cents worth of congrats....Well done!

I have similar equipment (INCLUDING the bushnell range finder and it will work at that distance....he said in the sunshine). Mine scope has a 50mm objective, rifle Weatherby, same bullet and almost the exact velocity.

Good shot, too....at least the one.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
What a great story! Why is it their is always someone who has to give their worthless two cents on a obvious great hunt and shot. If you kill the animal with in 200 yards you are going to heaven. If you kill from 200 to 400 yards your at risk of loosing your soul but if you shoot more than 600 your knockin on Satans door. You knew your limits and you took a responsible shot. I have the same gun and a similar scope but I dont feel qualified to take that shot, So I would have to make a better stock than shot. I wish I could tell the story and had the skill to take that kind of a shot. Arent all hunters snipers? Dont we all walk around in camo and scent blocker so we DONT get detected. How many of us go hunting with our blow horns and brass bands. I guess I am going to Hell because the last time I hunted I lied to the bull elk and made him think I was his girlfriend. Let the hunters hunt and the judges judge. Great hunt Chad and an even better shot!
 
widowmaker, how do you feel about his first two shots?

I understand that sometimes things don't go as planned, and I'm not faulting him at all. I'm just saying that for me personally, I would have felt lucky to have missed the first shot clean, and I would have stopped shooting because something was obviously wrong.

I was with a guy that took a 300 yard shot off a dead rest at a little buck, and missed clean over its back. I called the shot high, so the guy shot a little lower. The second shot went under the buck which jumped off a few yards and looked around confused. I called that shot low, so the shooter aimed in the middle and squeezed the trigger again. This time the bullet hit about 6 feet to the left of the buck. At this point, I figured that little feller earned his right to run away, so I told the shooter to go sight his rifle in and figure out what the maximum effective range is for that gun and ammo.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-08 AT 04:56PM (MST)[p]I think that many folks (not all) have flailed at an animal with a rifle at some time in there hunting past.
Only this hunter knows if he was flailing or not in this case. Flailing is my word for shoot and hope. I am sure others have a better word for it. The age of range-finders has extended the length at which flailing is practiced.

This is clearly an animal that shouldn't be flailed at, but no buddy but him can say if this was the case.

An outstanding elk. He did all the work and put him self in position to make it happen.
 
I completely agree with EGE. Great bull. It's called hunting not sniping. Sorry, I can't agree with this kind of shooting. After the first two shots it becomes a guessing game at that distance. Thankfully the bull wasn't wounded and lost. Just my opinion.
 
Congrats on the very nice bull...it reminds me of the time I took a buck at 200 yards with my homemade recurve..LOL, Way to be confident in your shooting and getting the job done, personally i couldnt made that shot. The whole debate about being snipers vs. hunters, thats nothing but crap...do we not sit in a tree, hill, blind,etc and wait for the right shot or animal to come along? Dont we wear camo clothing, face paint, stalk our prey? Bottom line when we use our rifles we are doing what snipers do, instead of hunting the enemy, were chasing down animals. The guy made a hell of a shot and to be honest ive seen idiots start blasting at elk on horse back at 500+ yards.

Bottom Line Congrats on the ELK and great story. People just need to stop drinking the hateraid and just go hunting.
 
Way to go Chad! You have to be a good shot because the way the rifle is setup, you would have been lucky to hit it at 100 yards! Meander doesn't know jack about rifles. If he did, he would have had you shooting his .270 WSM that killed the 340ish bull last year. The only other elk that little piece of garbage .300 RUM has killed was two little cows. Christensen Arms ... whatever! ;)
 
RE: Wasatch Opening Day Rifle Rifle Rifle Rifle Bull

Hey, Chad Dont listen to all these hatters. Theiy just dont get it. My best freinds cusin Bob is the best bow shoot that i have sein and he can hit a deer at 100 every other time. Anyways we was in the mountains a couple of years agoe and seen an big bull in a medow at like 87 yards. We couldn't none of us afford a range finder, but thats like how far we thinked he was. Bob done got his bow and lunched an arraw at that there bull and just barely missed him. He tried a cople of more times and got even closer. On his last arraw he stuck him right in the middle. We was so exited we didn't even look to C where that elk runned. We looked for a while, but that ai'nt the point. Everyone said bob couldn't shoot that far, and he done proved um wrong.
 
sledboy, you need to let the bitterness go. Nothing happened between your wife and I in the Double-Bull blind during the muzzleloader elk hunt three years ago... I promise ;-)
 
Great bull and nice shot but I would like to know where the first shot made contact?

Seems like we shouldn't be calling it "hunting" anymore, more like "sniping". I personally like the challenge of trying to get in close to the animal. It gives me a much more accomplished feeling knowing I had to work hard for them like I did with my 6 hour stalk to get 100 yards and a one shot kill on a nice bull. Hey, but to each there own.

Nice story anyway and congrats.
 
Congrads


At first I wanted to dog you for taking such a long shot. But after I thought about it I must admit that I once took a shot close to the same distance at least it was over 800 yards. the difference is the fact that when you shot you knew the distance when I shot I thought it was more like 450. I did not kill that bull I don't even know if I really scared that Bull but if I would have known the distance and a few other things I would have still taken the shot. I found out later that I was way off of my yardage after checking it with a range finder.. But after reading all the posts I must admit it makes you think about most of them if we are still hunting when we shoot past XXX yardage?? But I guess if we want to look at it that way maybe we should all stop trying to stay in shape for the hunt as it also makes it much easer when you are in good shape, We do a lot of things in the off season to make are hunts end with a harvest that I feel if you put in the time and money you should be CONGRADULATED on what you have done


UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 
RE: Wasatch Opening Day Rifle Rifle Rifle Rifle Bull

>Hey, Chad Dont listen to
>all these hatters. Theiy
>just dont get it.
>My best freinds cusin Bob
>is the best bow shoot
>that i have sein and
>he can hit a deer
>at 100 every other time.
> Anyways we was in
>the mountains a couple of
>years agoe and seen an
>big bull in a medow
>at like 87 yards.
>We couldn't none of us
>afford a range finder, but
>thats like how far we
>thinked he was. Bob
>done got his bow and
>lunched an arraw at that
>there bull and just barely
>missed him. He tried
>a cople of more times
>and got even closer.
>On his last arraw he
>stuck him right in the
>middle. We was so
>exited we didn't even look
>to C where that elk
>runned. We looked for
>a while, but that ai'nt
>the point. Everyone said
>bob couldn't shoot that far,
>and he done proved um
>wrong.

LMAO!!!!
 

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